2012 draft will save us!!
by BuCNasty-BooG on Nov 30, 2011 4:35 AM EST
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PrintIve been reading for many years and never voice my opinion witch 9 times out of 10 im correct so im going to start sharing with everyone. Ive been doing alot of research since we dropped the Green Bay game.This off season could make our beloved Bucs Very very very good From the hours of game film Ive been watching and researching the 2012 draft Ive found alot of answers and paths for us to take and yes i know its early to be doing this but early bird gets the worm.Anyways,Obviously we need (Most urgent need to least) OLB,CB,ROT,C,WR.Now when i 1st started researching (i went to over 50 sights no need to post them all)I saw most people have us taking
| Alfonzo Dennard | CB | 3 | Nebraska | Sr | 5-10 | 205 | 4.49 |
http://youtu.be/p_7GA757pk8 <-------Highlights
Ive read that Raheem actually loves this guy and we all know when Rah likes sombody hes gonna take them even if theres a way better option. Alfonzo is the 3rd rated CB in the nation some even have him 2nd behind Morris Claiborne and Dre Kirkpatrick he is good but slightly overrated and i think hes a very risky pick,hes physical and good at getting pass deflects but his catching is suspect in my opinion and hes already missed games in college witch is the last thing we need.But he most likely will be our pick unless someone else takes him and i hope they do!
For our 2nd round Pick it looks like the most agreed person for us to take is
| Lavonte David | OLB | 8 | Nebraska | Sr | 6-1 | 225 | 4.62 |
http://youtu.be/w9krhRbE3oo <-----------Highlights vs Ohio state where he sparked there comeback!
Now this pick i love and i feel like he may be one of the biggest sleepers in this draft and yes i relize they both play at Nebraska i was thinking the same thing! Now Lavonte came on strong this year and is a very fast OLB he has posted way better 40 times then his official one and can play very good coverage he reminds me of Geno Hays except alot better against the run hes not a "Big Hit" guy but he does not miss tackles and he fits our defense perfectly and can also play the tampa 2 very well witch has seem to disappear this year unfortunately.He catches well for a linebacker and doesn't have off field trouble witch will be rare for our team lol but nice, He seems to take angles pretty well and doesn't seem to have any lingering injury problems.Yes he reminds me of Geno but i think he will make the strides that we all expected Geno too but has not for some unknown reason.With all that said im not giving up on Geno just yet i think he could be an above average LB and lets not forget Geno was drafted to play a tampa 2 style and he plays that pretty well so if we get back to that witch i think we will next year you never know,so even if we draft Lavonte we can move him to sam LB Hes way undersized for that position but thats overrated in the NFL and honestly HE would be a huge upgrade compared to Quincy Black.Never forget Derrick Brooks was undersized!
So thats most likely gonna be our 1st and 2nd round picks I don't think there Awful at all But i see a much better and very reasonable route for our team 1st things 1st Raheem is not going anywhere he is ahead of the schedule on rebuilding this team and has done a very good job thus far.Hes young and has a lot to learn still and he has shown at times he can coach defense very well he just needs to stop making dumb calls that makes him look bad keep it simple Rah!I think greg olson needs to go i think hes awful hes so predictable and makes some ridiculous calls i could go on for days about him he just needs to start by leaving Blount in on 3rd downs dammit, but i think he will stay unfortunately Rah is a very loyal person for the most part witch i love about him and thats great for building great long lasting franchises and loyalty is what we need so many Bucs fans will never forgive how our greats where tossed away like they were nothing (makes me sick still) So for the beginning of what i think could put us over the top next year is (ill start with free agents)re-sign Ronde Barber CB hes got atleast 3 years left from what i see but at safety and yes strong safety next to Tanard he would be a small SS but hes such a great tackler it would be fine and not to mention them 2 back there ball hawking WOW! LeGarrette Blount RB i shouldnt have to say anything on why we should pay this beast to a long term deal!!!Jeremy Zuttah G hes getting penalties here and there but playing well and is a great back up at many positions!Connor Barth K cheap and kicks good for us!Earnest Graham RB but at FB no need to explain what we all know!Geno Hayes LB I think a one year deal to give him that last chance to be what every one thought he would be (Uless we draft the way i think we should (as explained down there vvvvvvvvv)!Josh Johnson QB knows our system and is a reliable back up!Corey Lynch,Elbert Mack,Preston Parker cheap good back ups.also we need to keep Trueblood for another year untill 2013 draft when we can get a RT and Albert Haynesworth He is playing awesome for us he seems to be motivated and likes it in Tampa im sure it wouldnt be to much to re-sign him and imagine a healthy Gerald Mccoy next to him that would be insane with price rotating if hes not hurt!Now for the people to not sign Michael Bennett DT Yes hes having a good year but Bowers is on his level already as a rookie and will become a top 10 DE in my opinion,I also believe Bennett is gonna get some love in free agency and get a decent contract I just hope Rahs obsession with him dosnt get him a overpaid contract.If we can get him cheap then keep him as a back up it would make our rotation that more amazing!Kregg Lumpkin RB hes gotta go hes gotten chances and hasn't produced at all.Sean Jones S He is playing so bad hes blown more coverage then anybody in the NFL it seems and he cant tackle anymore he just lost it completely and besides i have us putting barber there witch is a 100 % upgrade in all aspects!
Now your probably wondering whos gonna play corner for Us if Barber goes to safety well if the draft has us getting who everyone is predicting then it will be Alfonzo But To the route i think we should take witch would make us wayyy better I think We should Sign Terrell Thomas CB 6'1 191 he will be going into his 5th season the giants arnt going for him they drafted prince and alot of teams will shy away because of his knee injury that ended his season this year! Hes not a super speedy corner so the injury wont effect him.Hes one of the best unknown players hes a great tackler hes had 5 picks his last 2 seasons before his injury this year and 186 tackles in those 2 seasons Not to mention 5 forced fumbles those 2 seasons he had a ok rookie year didnt play all that much. Hes a top 5 run stopping corner and is very good against the pass and fits are Defense perfectly and hes young and theres alot of corners in free agency this year we could lock him up for 4 to 5 years at a great price! I think hes a must have for us and we need to try and grab Bowe or Colston preferably Bowe, Free likes big wide receivers and he naturally throws high neither would be cheap but i think we need an elite WR opposite of Mike Williams BOWE would put are offense over the top But the Bucs spending in Free Agency is a long shot to say the least!
Now with those pieces in place at least the Terrell Thomas one is essential for the way i think we should draft with our 1st round pick:
| Vontaze Burfict | ILB | 1 | Arizona State | Jr | 6-3 | 250 | 4.67 |
http://youtu.be/d7achvXsy3Q <---------HIghlights a must watch who does he remind you of! (Ray Lewis)
This man is Freakin scary With in the 1st 5 minutes of watching game film i was amazed and his Highlight tape is AMAZING the 1st thing that popped in my head was A young ray lewis i had over 10 people watch it and asked them who he reminded them of Guess what RAY LEWIS across the board! Im not saying he will be the next ray but you cannot deny that he doesn't remind you of him instantly. He is by far the most talented LB in the draft he was projected a top 10 pick but he tryd to control his anger this year and did not play as well he often took bad angles but still played good.HE dosnt tackle he destroys he blows plays up there is no getting any extra yards after this man makes contact he does not miss tackles he is crazy good against the run and pretty good against the pass as well.HE has a non stop motor and usually doesn't stop running until he hits something,Hes the perfect 4-3 MLB i read a great quote explaining him "Hes like a heat seeking missile looking for something to blow up" He does have some on field problems that made him slide out of the top 10 witch is the only reason we got a shot at getting him Hes a very emotional player (Ray Lewis) he doesn't like coming off the field even if told to do so,He gets alot of penalties and is always in the middle of something on the field But lets face it thats what you want out of a linebacker a mean destroying machine and thats what he,, is also he has been clocked at running 4.55 all day and has no injury problems!
Round 2:
| Sean Spence | OLB | 10 | Miami (Fla.) | Sr | 5-11 | 224 | 4.58 |
http://youtu.be/e6eMJ3IENLs <----------------------highlights
A beloved Florida native He is litrally dropping to the 2nd round or maybe even the 3rd (but i doubt it)because he is 2-3 inches shorter and 5-10 pounds than the average player at his position! He proved he could put on weight and not lose speed im sure he will again in the NFL His skill level is undeniable his motor is relentless an theres nothing he cant do as a line backer hes stronger than most middle line backers! (Do you remember how he threw Tebo like a rag doll by himself) and last time i checked Tebos been running through NFL line backers.HE is by far the best value for where he is gonna get drafted he has no off the field problems and is usually pretty good on the field as well we would be fools not to take him!
Now if we move Barber to SS sign Terrell Thomas at CB an draft Vontaze at MLB Move Mason Foster to Strongside LB his natural position and what hes much better at and Sean Spence at weakside LB we Would have one of the best Future LB groups and Defenses!
For the 3rd round these a center and a corner ill get into next time! PLz tell me what you think and do your research an tell me the way i have it set up witch is very easily realistic wouldn't solve alot of the Bucs problems especially against the run. And p.s Quincy black needs to be cut he is terrible i told every one i know we should kept ruud and let black go!
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A bit heavy on Nebraska... Wrong position to start
Nebraska has some solid defensive players, but it’s because most of them fit well into Bo Pelini’s scheme. LaVonte David is a swarming linebacker, but is not worthy of a second choice. He could float around the mid to late third round.
We need to build our offensive skill players. We should look to be trading up to get a big play receiver (Blackmon, Jeffery) and one may fall to us. Or we could look at a CB in Morris Claiborne. Next up in Round 2 is shoring up our RT position. I hope Riley Reiff is available, but if not then we should go for Mike Adams. He will anchor that right side. David should be available in Round 3, but we sould be looking some alternatives. We need to take a look at Nathan Stupar, Andrew Sweat, and Chris Galippo.
Our main concerns in the draft should be RT, WR, CB, LB, and S. NO KICKERS, DOMINICK!
VONTAZE BERFICT is the best pick we could ever ask for!
I agree that its very heavy on Nebraska, thats not the route I think we should go but its most likely who were going with from the research Ive done unless something drastically changes.Our Pick is going to be somewhere around 12-18 depending on these last 5 games,We would have to trade up to around the 2nd pick to get Blackmon.We wont trade up that high we never do. Jeffery is most likely going around 8-9 to Jax but could fall to us But i think LB is our biggest priority this years run defense is the worst in Bucs history and Trueblood really is having a decent year hes usable for now in my opinion WR i agree we need another Big play guy But the 2012 free agency Is got big time WR’s we just gotta not be cheap!I feel like the alternative draft route that i explained would be perfect!
by BuCNasty-BooG on Nov 30, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, that was hard to read
A couple of points:
1) Dennard is being projected to the Bucs because Charlie Campbell over at WalterFootball (formerly of Pewter Report) has “sources” in the Bucs organization who told him a few months back that the Bucs “like” Dennard. A lot of people presume that because we took Clayborn over Cam Jordan (who was higher ranked on most big boards) last year, that the Bucs will pick the player they “like” over a higher rated player. To make that presumption ignores the fact that Clayborn was a better fit into our scheme than Cam Jordan- a lot of people at the time were questioning whether Jordan had the speed to be a 4-3 end. It’s my opinion that the situation with the projected 1st round CBs is quite different this year, as there currently appears to be more of a gulf between the top 2 players and the rest of the top 10 prospects. For instance, Kirkpatrick is 5 inches taller than Dennard, which is a significant advantage. Also bear in mind that this “source” leaked that information back when the Bucs thought they’d be picking at #20 or later, when both Claiborne and Kirkpatrick would likely be long gone. Not that we’re likely picking #15 or higher, the situation has changed. Don’t believe that the Bucs are irrevocably locked onto Dennard.
2) Burfict is plummeting down most draft boards because 1) he’s been much less productive on the field this year which raises a red flag, 2) he gets called for personal fouls constantly (which is exactly the kind of sloppiness and unchecked emotion we’re trying hard to eliminate on this team), and 3) Arizona State has gotten so frustrated with him that they benched him last week. If we’re looking for a LB in the first round, Zach Brown, Manti Te’o, and Luke Kuechly would all be better choices than Burfict.
3) Sean Spence is a good player, but he’s significantly undersized for his position, and might not be drafted until the 4th or 5th round (some MDs have him going in the 3rd). All the heart and hometown hero vibes in the world cant make up for physical limitations. Just ask Ahmad Black. Given the choice between Spence and David, David is by far the better choice.
4) I try not to be too much of grammar and spelling Nazi; this is an internet forum and we all make some flubs from time to time. But your article was practically unreadable. Please do us a favor next time: type up your FanPost in a word processor (Microsoft Word or what have you) and run spelling and grammar check before you post it. People will be a lot more interested in your points if they can comprehend them without having to diagram the sentence.
A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.
Ok I admit your post is alot easier to read then mine! lol
To start things off I don’t think any pick in any draft is guaranteed until there on stage holding their jersey. But when 95% of so called experts have us taking him (then I believe theirs a pretty good chance that’s the direction there going ya know. Not to mention it getting leaked by Charlie Campbell with his inside sources. Oh and by the way I loved the Clayborn pick over Cam it was the perfect fit an he was way under valued to begin with, I wasn’t really referring to that when I said that. Now to your point that the Bucs are drafting higher than expected,Yea but still not high enough for Claiborne or Kirkpatrick i have us landing unless we trade up and I’m sure you will agree that’s not gonna happen
by BuCNasty-BooG on Dec 1, 2011 4:52 AM EST up reply actions
HMMMMMMMMMM
I accidentally posted that before I finished and cant figure out how to edit it. So I’m just gonna keep going on this one lol bare with me I’m still figuring everything out on here.
I have us landing between 16-18 I don’t see any chance for Claiborne or Kirkpatrick. But thats the perfect spot to grab Berfict who has no business being out of the top 10! I agree that he has raised red flags,But that’s because there making him play with less emotion and its not working and Hes been better with penalties this year. But you cannot deny his Athleticism,Motor,Leadership,and big play ability hes the next big thing at LB! I believe with time and age he will control his emotions and ignorance! Hes not the Derrick Brooks type but lets not forget who Brooks was surrounded With Sapp,Nickerson, D.Jackson, very emotional players that had that ruff edge. Sapp an Nickerson were the leaders of that team and thats what I believe Berfict will bring us! Zack Brown is way over rated, Manti Te’o is going to be very good but not on Berficts level, and Luke Kuechly I actually really like him but not next to Berfict, I have a hard time believing you would actually take any of them 3 over Berfict! I will say I did not know he was benched this week, was there an explanation why.
Now to Sean Spence he isn’t that undersized to start with hes about Geno’s size and he showed he could put on weight around 20 pounds last year I read and lost no speed. Why couldn’t he put on 10 to 15 more? Also all that undersized stuff is BS how many great LB’s have they labeled undersized. He can flat out play hes always around the ball hes got good speed and he is crazy strong for his size and does not miss tackles. He hits harder and tackles better than any LB on our team and I love Foster lol and I haven’t seen one board where he dropped to the 4th or 5th round But have seen him dropping to the 3rd in quite a few. But for where we are drafting trying to get him in the 3rd will be very risky and thats even if he drops to the 3rd!
by BuCNasty-BooG on Dec 1, 2011 5:28 AM EST up reply actions
Burfict hasn't looked great lately but that just makes me think we maybe able to get him.
It seems like they’ve told him to calm down and he’s not sure what to do. I think he’ll get it back though, and he’s the type of presence I’d love to see in our linebacking core.
I agree 100%
From what I read they have told him to calm down or he would be taken out of games and He really doesn’t look like the same guy. I also agree the only reason hes dropping to us in the draft is because of this season and in all honesty his season wasn’t all that bad , It just didn’t meet everyone’s expectations! I really do believe he will be top 5 LB with in 3 seasons in the NFL!
by BuCNasty-BooG on Dec 1, 2011 4:27 AM EST up reply actions
I'd take Kirpatrick over Dennard every single time
and I’d take Burfict, but only if he falls to our 2nd round pick. AND HE MIGHT. His draft stock has been dropping like a rock.
Yugly.
That would be an interesting choice
If we draft our CB in the first, and when we’re up in the second and looking for a LB we have a choice between David and Burfict. He might be worth the risk there. But the fact that he can’t seem to find his game without getting penalized really troubles me, as does his slumping production.
A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.
by RookTakesYou on Dec 1, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I would take Kirkpatrick over Dennard with out a second Guess!
But Kirkpatrick will not drop out of the top 12 picks and We know where not moving up to get anybody. There is absolutely 0% Berfict will drop to the 2nd round in my opinion Hes a rare LB and its crazy to think he dropped to the late 1st round, and if he did some how drop to the 2nd would he really last till the 2nd half of the 2nd round……NO CHANCE.
by BuCNasty-BooG on Dec 1, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
I'm currently projecting us to pick at #13
with a 6-10 record. My mock draft will be up on the front page in about five minutes. I think some team will take a chance on Burfict, but I think he’d be exactly the wrong kind of player for the Bucs to bring in- we have enough problems with dumb penalties without drafting a guy who’s renowned for them. If we want to get a quality LB in the first round, there are much better options: Brown, Kuechly, Te’o.
A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.
So you got us dropping 3 out of ourlast 5 interesting.
I honestly think and this might be crazy after watching this season, but I think were gonna take at least 4 out of our last 5. Thats why I have us between 16-18 maybe even 19.
by BuCNasty-BooG on Dec 1, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
I'd like to believe that we can
But going off of past results, I don’t objectively think we will.
A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.
What games do you have us dropping??
Lets be honest without the rain we would’ve beat Tenn by 17. I dont think we match up well with Carolina but I still think well take the 1st one this week. Jax we should slaughter them easily with everything going on there and we will. Dallas we match up well against them Talib (whos finally healthy and playing amazing )should shut down Dez and we play better against slower big backs.Then Carolina again thats the one i have us dropping lol as crazy as that sounds, ATL we always play them very good and we will sweep them this season. Now saying all that I wouldn’t be shocked one bit if we lose every one of them games as close as games have been. But we played good the last to seasons with Free and Rah running the show, Were getting healthy and our D-line is starting to step it up Albert is playing awesome and Bowers is about to shine mark my words and Clayborn is a flat out beast for a rookie. Im rooting for him to get that 10 sack rookie season so bad I think hes got it. Talib is shutting top WR’s down, Barbers makin plays, just pretty much our LB’s is we have to worry about.Frees not shooting any more guns and his fingers healed, I dont see the shoulder being a big problem. Mike has finally figured out how to play against double coverage and Olson is gonna leave Blount in there on 3rd down or hes going to lose his job lol!
by BuCNasty-BooG on Dec 1, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
I have us winning this week and at Jacksonville
and losing the other three.
A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.
So now 5-11?
No matter how much they are hyped, my teams always find a way to disappoint.
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 4, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
After this week
I can easily see us going winless down the stretch. Would probably estimate us at 5-11, if I was redoing it this week- we might pull out one more win. Might. But it’s looking more and more like we’re a lock for a top 10 pick, possibly top 5 or 6.
A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.
LIke I also Mentioned
The free agency is really really good for CB’s and there’s a couple young guys and a couple that fit our schemes perfectly.
I wouldn't say that this free agency CB class is REALLY good
especially compared with this summer. Have a look at who’s available. Rogers would be worth it, but he (like Grimes) will almost certainly stay put. Cortland Finnegan is an interesting option for us- I’d say he’s the guy to target.
A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.
Rook your on top of your game and I like it!
The only big thing I disagree with you on is Berfict! Witch you will owe me a (ok you were right) lol when he takes off in the NFL. Rogers is a good fit but from everything Ive read SF is going to lock him up, I also agree that Grimes isn’t going anywhere nor is Carr or Trufant.I Would love to get Carr or Porter but I think there going to get Huge contracts. I love Cortland Finnegan I think hes one of the most underrated corners in the league but look at his age hes got 3-4 years at max and hes slowed down a bit this year witch has me worried. LIKE I SAIDDD and IVE BEEN SCREAMING BUT NO ONE HEARS ME TERRELL THOMASSSSS is the perfect fit!
Oh and Rook you dont think we should chance it with Berfict because of his emotional play and penalties but we should with Cort???
by BuCNasty-BooG on Dec 1, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
If Burfict is a great success in the NFL and doesn't get called for personal fouls in practically every game, I will owe you an apology
And yes, I do appreciate that Finnegan has had his own history with personal fouls. I think that the whole fight with Andre Johnson was just bad blood between the two of them- they obviously really dislike one another and they let it get the better of their professionalism. But Finnegan isn’t constantly called for PFs- he’s just had a few notable ones. Also, he’s 27- depending on how well he ages, he could have a decade of pro football left in him, not just 3 or 4 years. I would have preferred Jonathan Joseph as our FA CB acquisition, but that ship has sailed- I think Finnegan’s the best of those we have remaining.
Thomas has had some impressive seasons, but he really seems extremely injury prone.
A defense ranked #31 does not inspire confidence in one's defensive coordinator. Any head coach knows this: own up to it, Raheem- hire a full time DC and put your full focus on ONE of your jobs.
Huh, Finnegan's younger than I thought
I don’t think he goes anywhere, though.
Finnegan has a history but it isn’t that bad, and he usually manages to avoid hurting his team.
Yeah I thought he was older as well.
Hey Rashean Mathis is up there and still playing at a high level he would fit nicely and be very cheap for a 3 year deal and give us time to draft a corner!
by BuCNasty-BooG on Dec 1, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Now knowing Corts That young witch IM surprised I didnt know.
Ive always liked him alot and thought he was under appreciated, Hes got plenty of years left and now I think hes a must get really. It wont be cheap though at all but the good thing is if we get him he wont have to go against Andre any more lol…OH just talked to a long time buddy who lives in BaL he claims to have great sources and says they will not pass on Berfict in the 1st round if hes there!
by BuCNasty-BooG on Dec 1, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Once again I Agree
I feel like us passing up Jonathan Joseph was the biggest off season mistake we made it still makes me sick thinking about it. For some reason I thought Cort was 29 I should’ve checked 1st. Terrell is not a injury prone player really he jus had this big injury and few nagging ones I still believe he is the best option for the way we play. Think about this would you feel comfortable with Talib and Cort hanging out lmao.
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