Do the Tampa Bay Buccaneers need a defensive coordinator?
When Raheem Morris first took over as head coach, the Bucs contracted a defensive coordinator for him. Veteran Jim Bates was brought in to create a "Tampa 2.0", mixing the traditional Tampa 2 with Bates' background of a two-gap 4-3 and man coverage. Before the season was over Bates was gone and Raheem took over the playcalling. And that certainly seemed to help, at least initially.
Over the last six games of 2009, the Bucs conceded just 18 points per game, compared to a ridiculous 29 points per game over the first 10 games of that season. And in 2010 the defense seemed to improve further, Over a full season the Bucs gave up 20 points per season, while the pass defense was ranked 13th in the NFL by Football Outsiders. The run defense continued to be very weak, but that could be explained by a very young defensive line lacking quality play at defensive end.
But Raheem had improved the pass defense, and with two new defensive ends and projected improvement from the young defensive tackles a better defense could be expected in 2011. And then reality happened.
During the season so far, the Bucs have given up a massive 27 points per game. And while they've faced a tough schedule, including the Green Bay Packers, the New Orleans Saints twice and the Houston Texans, even when adjusted for opponents they've had a very poor defense. Worse, the pass defense has completely collapsed, despite that being Raheem's specialty. And despite some good performances against the run earlier this season, it seems the Bucs have once again reverted to being incapable of stopping any above-average running game.
As a former defensive backs coach, Raheem is supposed to be very good at evaluating and coaching up cornerbacks and safeties. And while he's gotten decent play out of low-drafted players like E.J. Biggers and Cody Grimm, the pass defense as a whole has been pretty much terrible this year. Lackluster and inconsistent play from Aqib Talib and basically every safety on the roster has been a major part of that collapse, but it is certainly disappointing.
Another part of the problem is the extensive use of man coverage by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers this season. There are two sides to this coin: playing man coverage as a major part of the scheme allows the Bucs to be more creative and aggressive with blitzes. In addition, playing man coverage against good quarterbacks is almost a must these days, as they all know how to carve up zone coverage.
On the other side of the coin, the Bucs do not have the depth at defensive back to consistently play man coverage. While Aqib Talib has the skill to be a very good man coverage cornerback, he hasn't been consistent this year - or at any point in his career. Ronde Barber, meanwhile, is too much of a gambler and has lost his recovery speed to be a great man coverage cornerback, while E.J. Biggers, Elbert Mack and especially Myron Lewis can easily be exploited by quality third receivers.
So, Raheem doesn't really have great personnel in the secondary - but that doesn't excuse him. For one, he's had three years to collect the personnel he needs. More importantly: he doesn't need to put Myron Lewis in man coverage on Jordy Nelson with no safety help on a crucial third down. That's on Raheem Morris.
Three years in, and the Bucs still have a poor defense. While there was an uptick last year, all that progress has disappeared. The run defense continues to be horrible, and the pass defense is back to its old ways of being terrible. The results don't lie, and unless the defense starts playing well the rest of the year, the results say that Raheem's tenure as a Defensive Coordinator has failed.
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Safeties
They just need better safeties. Bucs are continuosly giving up big plays cus the corners like Biggers dont have deep help. Plus, they can’t tackle for nothin’. We need safeties that can run up fast and fill gaps when the LBs get blocked and hit hard as well as giving top coverage so the great corners can take chances underneath and grab INTs. These safeties can’t hit, wrap up, protect deep, or cover. Have you guys noticed Ronde Barber is constantly covering the Tight Ends? That should be reserved for a safety.
Not necessarily.
Teams do a lot of things to defend against Tight ends. During the course of a game, you may a CB, LB, or Safety covering one. Or in the rare cases, even ends.
The fact that Rahs strength is supposed to be on the DEF side of the ball...
makes his abilities look more like hype then truth. Despite the GB game, we are playing very poorly in basically all phases of the game and Rah seems to have lost the team. Not sure we need to stick with him any longer as HC. The 10-6 success of 2010 was clearly a “strength of schedule” issue and not Raheems amazing coaching prowess.
I hope we start interviewing soon before the good available coaches make other commitments.
by Cracker Ball on Nov 26, 2011 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
I still Raheem is good with the defense.
But we have obvious holes that need to be fixed, regardless of who the HC or DC is.
People keep saying that...
but it does not seem to be translating to the field. Statistically we are almost EXACTLY where we were when Raheem took over – at the bottom.
by Cracker Ball on Nov 26, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, and it has to happen soon.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Wholeheartedly agree
And like CrackerBall stated the hype ( and hope) has superceded the truth we see on the field on a weekly basis. Patience, they counsel. But at some point you have to recognize the difference between patience and false hope. Morris just hasn’t shown he has the gravitas to handle being both hc and dc. Like CrackerBall, doubts about his ability to perform either task at an NFL level are creeping into my thoughts after each weekly performance. He has six games left to get the needle moving back towards progression instead of the regression Sander points out.
Yep, I agree!!!
Rah needs to give up DC position at very least.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Nov 26, 2011 2:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
2 jobs can be too much.
I wonder if his pride will allow him to hire a DC. He has enough on his plate as a HC leading a young team which most players are immature and undisciplined. Add the fact he has to focus on running a whole defense while he has enough to worry about being the man can be too much and it’s making him look bad. Veteran coaches have trouble doing 2 jobs let alone a 3rd yr coach who has been learning on the fly as the main man and DC. I still think he can be a very good HC once he just have those resposibilties to worry about. Hire an experienced DC in the offseason and while we at it hire an experience OC too.
Sometimes one job can be too much...
I “Raheem the Dream” bargain experiment may be drawing to a close (assuming he cannot turn this team around in the next 6 weeks). I am assuming he can’t.
He required a bit more seasoning before giving him the HC reigns and it shows. Doms lack of new additions is not helping him out very much – and you can’t win without the horses. We need an infusion of new talent here (especially so in the DB area) and when you can improve your team – you need to do so. Letting Caddy get away was just as stupid as signing Quincy Black to an undeserved contract extention. Adam Heyward is playing better at a much lower cost.
by Cracker Ball on Nov 26, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
not to mention we release mckenzie when were short at linebacker depth
and let okam go but we keep miller ? our f/o has made a couple of moves that are not quite all that easy to comprehend. Raheem should have gotten a D/C job and proved himself and then become HC but thats the glazers being cheap
by Carlitin1988 on Nov 26, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
We still have Okam around.
It wasn’t about being cheap. It was about not letting a potential HC get away again.
We let McKenzie go because he was disgruntled about us "handing" the starting job to Foster.
But then again, right now I would rather have McKenzie starting then Black..
by flash_kiley on Nov 26, 2011 1:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think it was about being cheap...
because bringing in a legit HC would cost much more than the Glazers were willing to part with. I think they decided to offset the poor attendance with the uber low payroll. They were (and still are) making plenty while keeping the costs down.
People don’t pay out the nose to see losers (unless you live in CLE) and the Glazers are nothing if not smart. Probably saw the low attendance numbers coming and just went all bargain-basement with the spending to maintain their profits.
There may have been some “Rah potential” on their minds when deciding to keep Morris here (although I doubt DEN would have really signed him) and figured “What the heck, give him a shot”.
You usually get what you pay for…
by Cracker Ball on Nov 26, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
They were still paying Gruden.
If they were so cheap i don’t think they would pay someone while they are sitting home(ok he’s doing MNF commentating technically). My real thought of why they hired Rah was because he worked with Mike Tomlin when he was here then saw him winning the sb in Pittsburgh at a young age so they think Rah can do the same here giving he’s another young energetic coach.
Energy and talent are not the same thing...
and Tomlin took over a much better team. If Gruden was let go because he lost the team – what do you call what we have now?
Not sure the “Rah Experiment” has gone exactly as they had hoped. We are still struggling and our scores look pretty similar to the ones in 2009.
by Cracker Ball on Nov 26, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
the next 6 games will tell the story
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 26, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
Releasing McKenzie doesn't exactly seem like a bad movie
Given the fact that he hasn’t caught on anywhere else.
Releasing Tyrone was because he started to whine to the media after foster got the job… Same reason he was released from new England
by mooreCOWBELL on Nov 27, 2011 12:21 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I guess raheem isnt doing that great at d coordinator but...
everyone always fails to mention how the offense can’t sustain drives within the first half and therefore our d is already gassed in the second half. We have to be last in the league in first half points scored.
I mention it.
But it’s considered an excuse, so I don’t repeat it.
our offense is right in the middle with chicago and baltimore
the defense is dead last or damn close, no more excuses the defense is losing these games not the offense
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 26, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
You are not going to win...
giving up 20+ points every game. CHI and BAL can score 25+ and give up 20 to still win. We cannot score 30 every week, so the DEF is the issue here. We get gashed on the ground and allows teams to have their way with us.
by Cracker Ball on Nov 26, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I really got carried away with the hate for olson this year
but after I stepped back and refocused i realized the defense is the real problem here.
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 26, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Even if this team finishes 4-12
Rahclown and his yougly defense will probably be back, olson will take the fall
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 26, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
How much longer do you wait?
Are we going to alternate with the “good season/bad season” using our schedule strength to determine our win total, or are we going to give the reigns to someone else who is a more complete HC, that can take us there (like the Dungy/Gruden scenario)?
by Cracker Ball on Nov 26, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Both are the problem, really
Both have shown some bright spots, and both have also shown a lot of really bad spots.
this is going to sound like at heresy
but at this point I’d rather keep olson and get rid of raheem. you can win by scoring 16 if you can hold the other team to 10, this defense can’t hold a bucket of water! CJ2K or whatever you want to call him has sucked all year, watch him have his best game all year tomorrow.
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 26, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
You can also win by keeping the other team to 20 if you can score more than 20
That logic goes both ways.
The point is we can win with olson's offense, we can't win with rah's defense, that is the difference
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 26, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
something else that is pretty funny
mike martz is supposed to be an offensive genius, the bears are right in the middle with the bucs, didnt olson learn from martz?
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 26, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
I can convey algebra to my dog...
and he will listen – but it doesn’t mean he learned anything.
Olson blew up when he ran the offense in STL alone and got canned.
by Cracker Ball on Nov 26, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
I guess i was trying to say that martz is over rated since he and olson are both stuck right in the middle of the nfl
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 26, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Are these the same people that said Gruden was a QB Guru? LOL!
Still waiting for the day that the NFL comes back to LA...
Its the lack of offense and defense which is causing us to lose.
Its not like last year when we had the lead and the defense couldnt stop anyone. its the offense cant score then the defense allows scores, then we get stops on defense then we start scoring on offense but by then the game is over. I can name you a couple of games where our offense failed to get it done at the end of the game to win it for us after the defense made a stop for us. Chicago, Detroit, for sure. Name me one game other than the Packers game where our defense allowed a score at the end of the game where our offense couldnt score to win it? And ill give you the last saints game even tho it took them 5 mins left in the 4th to finally score a touchdown.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
I can't believe 22 people think raheem can get it together, must be the same guy logging in with different accounts!
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 26, 2011 5:55 PM EST reply actions
So now everybody is turning from fire olson to keep olson and fire Raheem?
Seriously. Morris should not and will not be fired. We do need to hire a dc. Raheem is good with defensive backs, however i dont think he can consistently call a good defensive game and coach the team as well. I dont like the scheme we are using. I dont even know what to call it. We need to switch back to the pure tampa 2 and stop whatever it is that we are running. And truth be told the offense really is what has hurt us this year.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
The offense is 16th right in the middle
the defense is dead last, morris and his defense are to blame not olson
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 26, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
And don't tell me it's the defensive players
he’s had three years, the defense is worse, it’s his fault
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 26, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Its a combonation of both.
And he should turn over his duties as a defensive coordinator. However i dont think he should be fired.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
The stats are a little deceptive.
First off the defense is on the field a lot because of the slow starts on offense. And this offense plays like they are ranked in the bottom the way they have been playing. And what a difference a week makes when people where calling for olsens head but now he is safe? Yet the defense played their best maybe besides the Falcons and Saints game but we are calling out Morris to be fired? Held Rodgers in check for most of the game. Any next week when the defense plays pretty good and the offense sucks again then we are back on Olsen’s case?
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
And what about the stats as far as red zone offense and overall points scored. Our offense is among the worst.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
I will say this again, olson has to go, period!!!
He is the main reason our offense sucks. So our offense is in the middle of the pack, so what? Our redzone is terrible, our qb has regressed, our rb doesnt get enough carries, our wr’s cant catch or run decent routes. Come on people!!!!! Rah needs to go as DC and olson needs to be fired as our OC. Nuff said!!!
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Nov 26, 2011 9:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You have to realize we have a starting free safety that just came back from 52 weeks off.
Another good safety that got injured in Grimm and Jones is pretty much a run stopping safety. I dont see the need to draft a safety. CB i can see. But safety? We have the pieces on defense to be great but they have to put it together consistently.
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
Ironically
Didnt Bates want to run that bump and run man coverage scheme that we are running now? and we were getting killed? then we switched back to the Tampa 2 and we did better on defense? When i sit back and think about it we dont have that OUTSTANDING outside linebacker play that we need. We need a monster olb who can cover and tackle. I like hayes but Black isnt cutting it. Stop this bump and run man coverage scheme
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
Bates ran straight up man coverage with a single high safety on almost all of the snaps
Morris is running a scheme based on deception and blitzes.
Oh ok.
Also the problem is it does take time for a defense to grasp a certain scheme. We are all over the place right now with our scheme with young players who are still trying to grasp this “system”
Get it to Winslow. He's open!!!!
It appears the deception is only working here...
teasing some to believe that Morris can fix or improve this team.
I told you so…
by Cracker Ball on Nov 28, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions

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