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Hey guys, I'm arodgb over from acmepackingcompany, the Packers SBNation Blog. I'll be happy to take any questions, comments, or [clean] smack talk you might have about Sunday's matchup! I'm sure some of the other APC Posters will jump in the conversation, so have at it!

Oh, and rec'ing this to keep it near the top would be kind. Thanks!!! :-)

Some quick tidbits of information...

-Clay Matthews, despite his low sack count, is playing at an extremely high level. He leads all OLB's in combined pressure, hits, and quarterback sacks (minus DeMarcus Ware)

-Aaron Rodgers is playing amazing. Personally, I have never seen a better span of games played by a quarterback in my life. He's probably due for an off game soon, and Rodgers has played his worst against the Bucs than any other team in the NFL [in the past].

-The names in the secondary you should look for: Tramon Williams and Charles Woodson. Both have been playing at a high level this year. Tramon is the 'shutdown' corner, while 'Wood is the 'do it all' corner. If there's a weakness in the Packers secondary, the Bucs should look to target Charlie Peprah, who has been abysmal in coverage and has been late with safety help quite a few times this season.

-Our defensive line has been awful this year. BJ Raji is in the midst of a slump, and our other lineman usually doesn't provide much more. I'd say they've been playing much better against the run than against the pass this year.

-The Packers only play a 3-4 defense in the media. They line up in a 2-4-5 nickle formation for the majority of their snaps. When the Vikings were on the Packer goal line last week, we still lined up in nickle... and they scored their only touchdown of the game.

-Offensive Line: Our interior has been solid all year. Josh Sitton, Scott Wells, and Brian Bulaga all have a legitimate claim to be Pro Bowlers. Many Packer fans will tell you Josh Sitton has been our best lineman, but both Bulaga and Wells are playing at a high level.

-Marshall Newhouse, the left tackle who stepped in for injured Chad Clifton, will likely get the start against the Bucs. Serviceable, but not very good. If there's a weak link to our offensive line, Newhouse is undoubtedly the worst lineman of the five. He's held his own against more inferior opponents, but he's struggled against good pass rushers like Jared Allen and Von Miller.

-Our receiving core is pretty stacked: Jermichael Finley, Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson all pose match-up problems. You're third and fourth corners MUST cover well in order to beat the Packers.

-Special Teams: Our kicker, Mason Crosby, has had a good number of touch-backs this year. He's got a gigantic leg, and hasn't missed so far this year. Tim Masthay, the punter, is susceptible to occasional line drive, low hang time punts, but he's been pretty good as of late. Our coverage units are pretty bad, but have improved a bit this year. If Tampa has a dangerous return man, he'll have a good shot at some big returns.

-Randall Cobb, this guy deserves his own bullet point. Green Bay hasn't had a good return man in YEARS, so Cobb sure has been a blessing for us. A kickoff and punt return for touchdowns so far this year, only problem with Cobb is the occasional lack of focus, which has cost us three or four fumbles on kickoffs and punts. Still a dangerous, explosive dude, Tampa Bay shouldn't underestimate him.

Here's to a injury free, entertaining match-up on Sunday!

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Let's face it, We're going to get killed- aren't we?

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by 4QB on Nov 15, 2011 10:37 PM EST reply actions  

Nah

I think Packer fans have this game circled as one of the hardest games remaining on our schedule. This, the Giants, and the Bears are our three toughest remaining tests. I haven’t watched you guys play much this year, so I honestly don’t know…

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by arodgb on Nov 15, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

That was a very polite thing to say here...

We are going to get ripped to pieces this week. The HOU score will be pretty compared to this one. Aaron Rodgers is performing like the top QB in the league which will mean nothing but trouble for us.

Ugh…

I took some crap for saying 7-9 this season, and when I said maybe even 6-10, everyone laughed and gave me some more crap. We will be lucky to select as late as 10th in the draft.

by Cracker Ball on Nov 16, 2011 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Aha this is why you are worried
I haven’t watched you guys play much this year, so I honestly don’t know…

I’d be scared of the Bucs too if I hadn’t actually watched us play.

Yugly.

by aakks on Nov 16, 2011 7:47 AM EST up reply actions  

At least you don't live in Cleveland or Seattle!

I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!

by msc32887 on Nov 17, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

You know this is the most common question we Packer fans have seen this year

I’m going to agree with arodgb though, it’s not going to be as bad as you are thinking right now. The Packer have really only blown out two teams this year, the Broncos and the Vikes. With the Broncos McCarthy wanted to focus his team on closing out the game. With the Vikings I think he saw their fans and coach talk about beating us all week and just wanted to blow them out of the water.

Otherwise the Packer offense tends to be a pass first offense that moves to a run first offense when the game gets two or three scores up. McCarthy likes to grind out games and run down the clock to a win and doesn’t feel the need to put up mass amounts of points if the game is well in hand. A great example of this was the Rams game where the Packers didn’t score a point in the second half. When questioned about it McCarthy put on his best indignant face and said he wasn’t going to apologize for winning by three TD’s.

Bottom line the Packers don’t expect to see a 40 point game unless the Bucs score 30 and keep it close.

by PackApologist on Nov 15, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

No offense friend, but you obviously have no clue about the Bucs.

Our team is playing like sh** this year. We have no, I repeat, we have no chance on beating the Packers at Lambeau….
We all know it in Bucs land and after the thorough thrashing you hand us, you will too…..

East Coast Fan

by Bucfan on Nov 17, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

None taken...I'm just going by how the Pack have played

I just think of the Rams game. The Packers went up three touchdowns and then turn offed the offense for the second half basically. Then the Pack were quite happy just bleeding the clock and shutting down their offense. I could see that happening much more likely than putting up 40 points for no reason.

by PackApologist on Nov 17, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Understood.

The Bucs have been awful so far. We have the ability to run the ball but our OC abandons the run even when it shows promise. Freeman hasnt been sacked much this year and his accuracy is terrible compared to last year. He also refuses, it seems to scramble like he did last year. The opposing defenses dont have to fear it like last year. Our wideouts drop to many balls and dont run crisp routes. We have no deep threat other then Benn, but again our OC doesnt put him in on third down.

Defensively, We cant stop the run. We cant rush the passer, We cant tackle, We dont intercept the ball, and the most annoying thing is it appears that they have given up. If you guys get a chance, watch our game last week against the Texans, specifically the second half and you will see what I mean.

It will take an act from god for this team to have a chance this Sunday….

East Coast Fan

by Bucfan on Nov 17, 2011 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

You're handling those questions quite well...

Waiting for my membership to clear the waiting period and then you’’ll get some help over there…

Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?

by Kilgore on Nov 15, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks Kilgore

Doing my best.

Fire. Greg. Olson. NOW.

by RookTakesYou on Nov 16, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

If you were to lose this game...

How do you imagine it would unfold?

What aspect of your defense are you least satisfied with? Same for the offense?

Am I going MAD, or did the word "think" escape your lips?

by Kilgore on Nov 15, 2011 11:59 PM EST reply actions  

I asked a similar question so it's only fair I take a stab at this

To start with the Bucs would need to score north of 25 points and hold the Packers to their season low of 24. Right now the way the offense is set up I don’t see them scoring anything below that.

Least satisfying part of the offense….you could flip a coin here between the running game and the pass protection. Lately the interior pass protection has seemed a bit leaky which is slightly unsettling. The bigger part of pass protection is the fact that we have a back up LT in with Marhsall Newhouse. He’s done okay, but it’s not quite what Chad Clifton is typically able to do. The running game is okay generally, but it has a tough time getting started. Right now we have two backs who have a running style that is best when it wears down a defense and gets 20 carries a game. Problem is that we are splitting carries between them and typically one does well and the other plays like ass. Mix that with not many carries and the running game looks pretty weak.

Least satisfying part of the defense…..

1. Pass rush. The Packers aren’t getting an interior rush this year from the d-line mixed with a lack of a consistent running buddy for Clay Matthews has resulted in a rather middling pass rush. This lack of a pass rush has allowed good QB to look better than they are and great QB’s to crave us up.

2. Communications problems on the back end. Early in the year the Packers lost our three time Pro Bowl FS Nick Collins to a neck injury. Scary part is there is talk about his career being done. Well he was the guy who was the main communicator on the back end and making sure the cover assignments were down. Since he’s left there have been games where there is total break down on the back end. This results in big plays that often go to scores. Monday was better but they still have a ways to go.

3. Covering the tweeners. The rise of hybrid offensive playmakers has hurt our defense like everybody else’s. I’m talking about the scat backs (like Darren Sproles) and the receiving TE (like Gates or Gonzales). Our ILB’s are great at stuffing the run and blitzing the QB, but sometimes struggle in one on one coverage. This is where you see teams get all those oodles of yards and then get shut down in the red zone when these players get swallowed up in shallow zones.

How a loss would unfold…..

Winslow has a big game. Freeman doesn’t make mistakes. The front four get pressure on Rodgers and force him to make some mistakes of his own. Lablount (I hope I spelled that right) has a big game and helps set the tempo for the Bucs.

by PackApologist on Nov 16, 2011 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

It is just Blount not Lablount

I really wish we had a Sproles type back (or just Sproles). Graham was having a good season until his injury but he’s not in the same league. Lumpkin just stinks.

Yugly.

by aakks on Nov 16, 2011 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah sorry about that mispelling

Ah Lumpkin, there were a few tearful eyes the day the Packers cut him. We thought he really had something special.

by PackApologist on Nov 16, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions  

It seems like he always gets about ten yds. when they throw him the ball

it’s too bad they only throw it to him on 3rd and 20 lol!

RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!

by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 16, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, the Mike Sherman offense.

All about field position! What? We’re down by 20? Let’s call a draw on 3rd and 20!

I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!

by msc32887 on Nov 17, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

And let's try to draw them offsides when we've rushed for over 200 yards tonight!

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 17, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait...we have to score 25 points?

it’s over now…

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by G Yeti on Nov 16, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Curious.

What’s the perception of the Bucs from the Packers team/fan base? Do they view the Bucs as a legitimate threat in the NFC? We all know how we feel about our team on OUR end (laughs out loud)….I’m curious as to where you guys see the team at in terms of progression, coaching, talent.

Also, how do you feel about being a Pass-First team seeing as how you said the O-line is “leaky”. Even with being so successful, do you believe you should run more and use Starks to keep the D on the heels a little more?

Last but not least…..how do you see the game playing out. Final score is….?

by Luckydabney7 on Nov 16, 2011 5:16 AM EST reply actions  

Perception is mixed

Going into the year some thought that the Bucs last year were a flash and others thought they were the hip team coming up the line. As the season went on it stayed mixed early, with the believers saying how you could close out games, like what happened in MN, and others just waiting for the collapse. Right now it’s a main question of whether the Bucs can upend our perfect season, especially considering what happened in 2009.

by PackApologist on Nov 16, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I see GB kicking us into a bloodied pulp...

as we clearly have no fire left. Raheem and his college-level cheerleading has run its course and we are exposed for what we really are – a middle-of-the-road team with some young talent and a bunch or special-teams quality players. Doms drafts we not that great – they just stuck here because we were so talent depleated and they won’t openly admit when they’re wrong about somebody they picked.

by Cracker Ball on Nov 16, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

As for the other questions

Being a pass first team with the current state of o-line. I’m fine with it. It’s how the team is built really, in fact most Packer fans tend to be driven nuts when the Packers do run the ball. Often Packer fans just want to see the team destroy our opponent instead of play smart football and control the clock with the running game.

As for the o-line being leaky….I hate it when I say things like that to give you the impression that I think the o-line is bad. It’s not. Actually they do a pretty good job of pass protection over all and some of the guys on the line are quietly becoming some of the best in the league. The problem is that our best lineman, Sitton, is having a down year….slightly. I think he might be battling something. So he will allow the occasional inside pressure. Mix that with a back up LT and Rodgers can be dancing around for a bit. He tends to handle it and knows how to protect himself so it’s not that big a deal really. It might even help the Pack stay grounded and hungry to keep improving week in and week out. After Monday night’s performance Rodgers stated that the offense didn’t perform up to the level they should be at yet so he thinks they still haven’t played their best this season.

Final score? I hate predicting these things but I would have to go 23 – 34 Packers.

by PackApologist on Nov 16, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I personally thought that they were an up and coming team at the start of the season.

But that being said, its tough to be successful in a division that includes NO and ATL…

Also, how do you feel about being a Pass-First team seeing as how you said the O-line is "leaky". Even with being so successful, do you believe you should run more and use Starks to keep the D on the heels a little more?

I love the fact that GB is a pass first team. The fact that GB runs 3 or 4 wide so often means that Rodgers is able to read blitzes easier. Overall, I’m not worried about the line. I feel confident in 4 of the 5 OL (the LT being the issue) and a decent amount of the sacks that GB has given up are due to Rodgers hanging on to the ball too long. He has the 2nd highest rushing yards in the NFL over the past few seasons and his scrambling ability has caused him to hang on to the ball longer than most QBs would. (It is preferable to the alternative)

Last but not least…..how do you see the game playing out. Final score is….?

31-17 GB. Sorry but I’m just not impressed with Tampa’s offense this year (and no one has stopped the Pack)

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by Kuhl on Nov 16, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously for a QB...

He has the 2nd highest rushing yards in the NFL over the past few seasons

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by Kuhl on Nov 16, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed.

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by G Yeti on Nov 17, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Do they have a brighter green here?

Must be the sun…

Packers? Working on a dynasty.
Blackhawks? Taking care of business as usual.

Brewers, Badgers? THIS IS WHY YOU CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.

by Tepo6688 on Nov 18, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Good answers!

Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions! I was trying to put a different spin on the questions this week.

Quick question(s)- When you said you liked the 3-4 WR sets because Rodgers can read the blitzes easier……do you think all teams should run a more pass-first offense with those sets? Or do you think it’s more of a system that only fits the type of team you guys have built over there?

by Luckydabney7 on Nov 16, 2011 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The system fits what we have built.

I think that you need one of two things if you are going to be a championship contender:

1. An elite QB who can beat a defense

or

2. A very special defense that’s able to put up points on its own.

If you have one and a competent version of the other then you are good. After that it all goes by the coaching and GM style for what they want to build as long as they have one of those two pieces.

by PackApologist on Nov 17, 2011 12:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm a very strong believer in the spread passing attack

That being said, you need an smart QB to be able to recognize blitzes and coverages and enough WRs/TEs to go 3-4 wide on every play. A lot of teams just don’t have the passcatchers to be able to do it. Luckily for GB they have two #1 caliber WRs (Jennings & Nelson) two #2’s (Driver & Jones) a rookie who draws comparisons to Percy Harvin (Cobb) and (when healthy) one of the top two TEs in the game.

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by Kuhl on Nov 17, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Each of my final score predictions this year have been wrong.

I think something like Packers 35, Buccaneers 17. Sorry, but I’m not impressed with Tampa Bay’s offense and no one has stopped the Packers this year so far (unless you count the second half of the Rams game, where the Packers didn’t really need to try that hard on offense).

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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Nov 16, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

If we are within 21 points by the start of the 4th quarter I'd be surprised.

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by LeeCaz on Nov 16, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd almost say the Bucs have a better chance of winning if they are down 21 in the first.

Our defense seems to miss deep assignments occasionally, and if you’re down by that much the ball will be thrown deep. Also, McCarthy understandably goes a bit more conservative during the regular season when we’re up by multiple scores, so there’s some potential.

All I can think of with the Bucs was that game in Rodgers’ first year as a starter. You guys had at least one defensive touchdown, a return touchdown, and multiple picks. These games can happen!

I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!

by msc32887 on Nov 17, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just going to cry Uncle right now

Seriously though, Aaron Rodgers is amazing.

Yugly.

by aakks on Nov 16, 2011 7:47 AM EST reply actions  

Yup, yup he is

I remember watching the game against the Falcons in the playoffs last year just dumbfounded by his level of play. Now it’s almost to be expected each week out of him.

by PackApologist on Nov 16, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I predict Jordy Nelson to catch two TDs on us.

We don’t have a corner (or safety judging by the last two weeks) that can tackle him. Dude is a straight beast.

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by LeeCaz on Nov 16, 2011 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah

He’s been on a tear since the Super Bowl. Fast and big, good hands. He’s a pretty complete receiver.

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by arodgb on Nov 16, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's what I think

Greenbay takes us for granted, and the young players rally around raheem for the upset of the week, but then the win goes to their heads and we don’t win any more games this year, finishing 5-11, the end.

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by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 16, 2011 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

GB is on a mission this season...

and will not be taking us lightly. They need only to look at last years fluke win by us to see why. They will probably repeat and will barely feel us as they roll over us on the way to their next game.

We have now become a speed bump.

by Cracker Ball on Nov 16, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

No way they go undefeated

they will slip up, but probably not against anybody good. Even if we do get the upset I still say we go on to a losing season.

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by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 16, 2011 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

GB's running game

We rank near the bottom in run defense this year, but we’ve been playing against the best backs in the league: AP, Barian Fostate, Gore, Forte, Turner, and the four-headed hydra of New Orleans. How does the Packers’ run game match up, and who should we watch out for?

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by RookTakesYou on Nov 16, 2011 4:34 PM EST reply actions  

Not even sure GB needs a RB on the field...

as GB has the best complete WR roster in the league and Rodgers directs them with near perfect precision. A RB here (outside Kuhn) is an afterthought. Just like a Manning-led IND team. Luxury but not required to win.

by Cracker Ball on Nov 16, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

The key is getting the defense to respect the run. That’s why the Packers run 20, 25 times a game, just to keep the defense honest. Even if they’re only getting like 3 yards a carry, it still causes the safeties to bite on play action, as opposed to not stacking the box because they know the Packers won’t run the ball.

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by arodgb on Nov 16, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus we don't want people teeing off on Rodgers like the Vikings were doing for stretches last week.

I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!

by msc32887 on Nov 17, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm nervous for Detroit.

The only part of their defense that scares me is the ‘cheap shot’ factor. Fairley and Suh both have terrible reputations for being dirty players (watch the BCS National Championship from 2010, Oregon and Auburn, Fairley plays like a dirty bastard).

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by arodgb on Nov 17, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Its decent.

Starks and Grant are both good, one cut runners, but neither has really been spectacular this season (Like, one or two rushing touchdowns between them). Starks is quicker and gets out of his cuts faster, and he also has a second gear that Grant doesn’t have. Grant is generally the more dependable blocker, and I think the coaches trust him more than Starks. The Packers operate a two back system with Kuhn coming in for occasional touches at RB [for short yardage situations], although his main position is fullback. Starks has been getting more touches than Grant recently. Probably like a 60-35-5% splits at this point in the year. Fumbling isn’t much of a problem, as Grant is probably the most sure handed back in the league, with only one fumble [this year] in the last two or three years. Starks has only had one career fumble.

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by arodgb on Nov 16, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Not true
Grant is generally the more dependable blocker, and I think the coaches trust him more than Starks.

Grant is rarely in to block because he was never recognized as a good blocker. I believe I just read that over the entire season Starks was credited with just 1 sack allowed. That’s all while Starks is in as the 3rd down back.

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by Jabooty on Nov 16, 2011 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

It looks like you’re right about Starks being in more to pass block, as he’s in 60 pass blocking snaps compared to just 21 pass blocking snaps for Grant. Starks has given up one sack and a hit, and Grant has a clean sheet for the year. I guess I’m just giving my personal preference of having a veteran in, rather than a second year dude who, like most young players, is more focused on making a big play than blocking. Still, the stats back you up, but I guess I just have bad memories from the Saints game and Rodgers snapping at Starks for whiffing his assignment.

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by arodgb on Nov 16, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, the Saints game was where Starks whiffed, but he has been good ever since. I’m ok with that. Grant is a veteran at running the ball, but doesn’t have much experience blocking and has never impressed the coaches with his blocking.

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by Jabooty on Nov 17, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Grant's role is that he's a bit more power

Grant ran really well against Chicago when it really was just one cut and go. Grant has always done that well and ran well against that team for some reason. Starks is also good at cut and go but he dances a bit more and gets a bit more wiggle through the hole.

Really though they are there to set up the play action, catch check downs, and keep defenses honest.

by PackApologist on Nov 17, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Who cares...

You won’t have to worry too much about GB’s run game until the 4th Qtr. So far this season, the only time the running game gets used much is when GB is trying to run clock at the end of the game. Otherwise, they’ll throw in a few runs by Grant (who will run into a blocker for a 3 yd gain) and Starks (who will run over a defender for a 4 yd gain) so that they can use the PA. The only purposes that McCarthy has for the running game is to set up the play action pass and run clock when they have the lead. The other guy to watch out for is the full back KUUUUUHHHHNNNN who’s a solid goal line back and receiver.

60% of Rodgers passes against the Vikings traveled 5 yds or less in the air, so the passing game can substitute for a strong rushing attack. GB won’t break a big run on TB but they’ll do just enough so that the play action works.

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by Kuhl on Nov 16, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

With our poor rush DEF...

GB could control the clock with running the ball and Rodgers can slice us surgically.

by Cracker Ball on Nov 16, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Poor-No, inconsistent- Yes

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by 4QB on Nov 17, 2011 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Our rushing DEF is 29th out of 32 teams...

That seems pretty consistent with the previous 2 seasons – consistently bad.

Raheem and his “defensive genius” rumors have not come to fold here. I haven’t seen anything to get excited about since the actual DEF genius, Monte Kiffin, left us for the college ranks. Morris is nothing but an over-hyped wanna-be and former coach Herm Edwards should be stiffly horse-whipped for selling that “Bill of Goods”.

by Cracker Ball on Nov 17, 2011 7:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't worry, you have a 350 pound eating machine in the middle of your line now!

I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!

by msc32887 on Nov 17, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Which one?

We actually have 3 of them in Haynesworth, McCargo and Okam.

by Cracker Ball on Nov 17, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Inconsistent rush defense, when we actually play and recognize the run- we stop it.

"Well, if you guessin' it's me, you guessed correctly
I just stay with a stallion, you would swear I was an equestrian
I hit her with that pipe, call that Nancy Kerrigan
Stay on the greenest greens, call us vegetarians
You be on that minor league, but we smoke professionally"

by 4QB on Nov 17, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

We knew exactly what HOU was going to do...

so is 44-185 and a long *ss dump pass (basically a run) not enough rushing for you? We suck at DEF – you know it, I know it and HOU knew it.

Perfume on a pig is still a pig.

by Cracker Ball on Nov 17, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Are Packers fans hoping for a 16-0 season even if it means they play the starters in the last game of the season?

"Well, if you guessin' it's me, you guessed correctly
I just stay with a stallion, you would swear I was an equestrian
I hit her with that pipe, call that Nancy Kerrigan
Stay on the greenest greens, call us vegetarians
You be on that minor league, but we smoke professionally"

by 4QB on Nov 16, 2011 10:03 PM EST reply actions  

I'm hoping for a Super Bowl repeat

Everything else is gravy from there. If the Packers lose a game or two in the regular season I won’t be too shaken. I will be a bit disappointed if we don’t win our division or get a first round bye.

That said I don’t want to see them rest starters. I would rather see them play and try to win the games, especially since the last two games are division games, one in prime time, and on major holidays. I want to spend Christmas watching the Pack kick the crap out of the Bears and rake in the New Year watching the Pack beat down the Lions.

by PackApologist on Nov 17, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I honestly have no clue what McCarthy's strategy would be here.

He’s shown streaks of aggressiveness, but has also shown conservative tendencies with the health of the players (returning from injuries, etc.). No matter what our record is, I’d want our starters at least in a half during the last game.

I already told you! I deal with the god damn receivers so the linebackers don’t have to! I have coverage skills; I’m good at covering people! Can’t you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?!

by msc32887 on Nov 17, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a big believer in momentum

I hated it when the Colts sat their starters at the end of the season a couple years ago. I want GB to play the starters for most of the last couple games.

"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."

by Kuhl on Nov 17, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I want them to play to win.

McCarthy stresses that every press conference. In preseason, he plays to win. He said it sends a terrible message to your football team if you’re not playing to win. So yes, I think he’ll go for the undefeated season… if we reach that point.

Jay Cutler, first NFL quarterback to beat a playoff team with a losing record.

by arodgb on Nov 17, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

more odds

Anyone know the line on what the odds are the Buc’s score the first time they get the ball?
The doctor recommends a dose of Percocet before watching this game Sunday.

Beware!!

by Creamsicle Power on Nov 17, 2011 1:17 AM EST reply actions  

About the D-line.

Most Packer fans seem pretty disappointed with their play. Last year, your front seven was a major strength. Has losing Cullen Jenkins been that much of a blow or are there other reasons for their decline?

Also, how has the Pack fared against large, bruising type backs like Blount? Has the tackling on defense been sound (I know Woodson wraps up as he is a clinic on the form tackle)?

Smoke 'em Blount!

by chuckyforpres on Nov 17, 2011 12:59 PM EST reply actions  

Regarding the backs

Tolbert of SD is the only big back that I can remember them facing this year. It seemed that he did pretty well, but IFRC they abandoned the run late in the game to try to score quickly. He ended up with 19 carries for 83 yards and a TD (and ran over quite a few defenders to do it. GB’s run defense has been solid (for the most part), but their biggest asset in stopping the run is the offense. Teams don’t run when they’re behind by a few scores.

"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."

by Kuhl on Nov 17, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

BJ Raji has been in a slump

Big reason. He’s played terrible the last three games, and I think he’s winded from playing too many snaps. Defensive end is a position many people want to address in the draft this year, but we have a dude coming back [Mike Neal] who should more or less fill in Jenkins role once he gets healthy.

Jay Cutler, first NFL quarterback to beat a playoff team with a losing record.

by arodgb on Nov 17, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

(if he gets healthy...)

"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."

by Kuhl on Nov 18, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Thx for the replies.

I read recently that John Jolly is going back to prison. Was actually a starter or just a bench player this year?

Smoke 'em Blount!

by chuckyforpres on Nov 18, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

He hasn't played for the Packers since 09 when he was a key member of the D-Line rotation

Since then he’s been suspended. At this point, even if he would have been reinstated and not sent to prison he wouldn’t be in the Packers plans.

"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."

by Kuhl on Nov 18, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not on the 53 or the 80 total

He’s on some reserve list right now. The Packers don’t pay him and basically right now they are the ones who hold his contract rights.

by PackApologist on Nov 18, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

There's a difference between arrogance and confident

Rodgers is very confident in his abilities (as he should be), I don’t think he’s arrogant.

"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."

by Kuhl on Nov 20, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Also,

You should probably stop listening to Skip Bayless. He’s not exactly credible or intelligent

"I'm here to talk about the economy today -- about the need to get four quarters of strong, consistent performance. That wasn't another Jay Cutler joke, I swear. It could be, but it's not."

by Kuhl on Nov 20, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Congratulations guys.

It was a closer game then us bucs fans thought it would be.

East Coast Fan

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