Why Greg Olson should not return as the Bucs' offensive coordinator next year
I've defended Greg Olson in the past. I think it's very hard to separate player execution from playcalling. I also think that the Bucs have been hurt by a lot of things that aren't coached by Greg Olson: penalties and drops, specifically. But at some point the offensive coordinator has to take responsibility for the offensive production, and there are plenty of specific things to complain about with Greg Olson.
The most obvious complaint focuses on the running game. Or rather, the absence of one. The Bucs have had a very productive running game, but they have consistently gotten away from it. The Bucs running game was ranked 12th by Football Outsiders numbers before this game, but was at some point ranked as a high top ten unit. Despite that, the Bucs have run the ball just 204 times, or 23 times per game. Last season, that would have ranked 30th in the league.
Part of that has been caused by the fact that the Bucs have been behind a lot, forcing the Bucs to abandon the run game to an extent. In fact, the Bucs have been behind in games more than all but three teams in the league. That was before this week. Given the fact that they spent about 5 seconds trailing the opponent this week, they're probably ranked even lower after this week.
But the issue runs deeper than just the game situation. The Bucs have abandoned the run when games have been close, and Greg Olson seems to be unwilling to commit to Legarrette Blount as the basis of the offense. And all that despite the fact that the Bucs are built to live off Power O and play-action passes. Instead, Olson tries to put the game on Freeman's shoulders, and he has repeatedly shown this year that he's not playing well.
It's also a question of identity. I know how a lot of different offenses in the NFL are going to try to win games. The Panthers run a spread offense, very similar to a college spread. The Broncos are trying the triple-option with Tim Tebow. The Jets try to ground-and-pound their way to victory. The Texans are a run-first, play-action offense. The Lions have a quarterback driven, quick passing offense. The 49ers play a run-based West Coast Offense.
But I can't tell you what kind of offense the Bucs run. They say they want to run the ball and go deep on play-action, but they're not actually doing it. Instead, they occasionally run the ball and have Freeman direct a semi-West Coast Offense without a real deep element to it. The disconnect between the rhetoric and the result is striking.
But there are other complaints too. Josh Freeman is struggling this year, but the team is doing very little to help him out. Last year he made some of his best plays outside the pocket, but the Bucs have made very little effort to get him outside the pocket on designed plays. Instead, they've watched as defenses consciously try to keep him inside the pocket.
The lack of a deep element to the passing game is frustrating as well. The Bucs lack some speed at positions, which limits them - but they do have Arrelious Benn. The second-year receiver has real speed and showed that today, when he caught a 33-yard sideline pass after outrunning the cornerback guarding him. Yet Benn until the bye week was off the field for most passing plays and is rarely involved in the gameplan. His time on the field is increasing, but his role on offense remains limited.
Another issue: the Bucs don't seem prepared to play these games. Time and again they fail to come out of the gate firing. The Bucs haven't scored a first-quarter touchdown on offense in nine straight games now. The last time they scored one was against the Atlanta Falcons in week 13 of last year. It feels like the team simply isn't prepared to play a game once they step onto the field.
But worst of all, the players don't seem to be progressing under Olson's watch. This is a young team that needs quality coaching to progress, but almost to a man the team's young skill players have regressed. Mike Williams hasn't been able to win a single jump-ball battle this year, while he's dropped far too many footballs. Kellen Winslow has struggled to get open. Dezmon Briscoe and Arrelious Benn look essentially like the same players. The only player to have really improved has been Preston Parker - the lone bright spot on offense.
All of that should be reason enough to get rid of Greg Olson, and at this point I'm convinced that he won't return. Someone will be held accountable publicly for the team's lack of production. I don't think Olson will survive this offseason. Raheem Morris might even be on the hot seat himself - but Olson is more likely to be offered up.
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I changed my mind
A few weeks ago I thought we should wait till the end of the year to fire him. After Freeman made those ridiculous statements at the press conference yesterday, I think he needs to go ASAP!
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 14, 2011 3:05 PM EST reply actions
Agreed
Can him now, let Steve Logan take over as acting OC for the rest of the season.
Fire. Greg. Olson. NOW.
by RookTakesYou on Nov 14, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
Two things
1) Someone new takes over the playbook. Logan’s been an OC and a HC before, he knows to call plays- even if he’s not a huge improvement, we’re at the point where almost any change would be an improvement over the calls that Olson is making.
2) It sends a clear message to the players and staff that failure without effort to improve will not be tolerated, and that no one’s job is guaranteed if they fail to do what they’re supposed to do.
Fire. Greg. Olson. NOW.
by RookTakesYou on Nov 15, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yea fire the dude.
Somebody needs to be in Freeman’s ear telling him he’s not a finesse QB, scrap that approach and start playing like he has a pair. This conservative “attack” on offense is dated and we need several changes. Olson is first, he has to go.
by GoBuxGo on Nov 14, 2011 3:17 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Co-signed.
And I’m in the “identity” camp here. There’s zero offensive identity for players to rally around. Watching this team is like me in my early Madden days, just flinging sh*t at the wall. Fire Olsen. Fire him now.
Follow me @worldwidemaldo.
Yeah he needs to go now.
They should just have an assistant coach play madden upstairs during the game and click the “Ask Madden” button and then the bucs run that play. It would be better than what Olsen has been doing.
Freaking quarterback draw on 3rd and 15...haha
by flash_kiley on Nov 14, 2011 10:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They'd never see it coming.
Unless, of course, they did what Olson would do, put Josh Johnson in..
We want the ball, and we're gonna score!
My signature for the past two weeks states my opinion
Morris needs to make this move to show he’s willing to make drastic adjustments and hold people accountable for their failings. Logan is already on staff and is more than capable of taking over for the remainder of the season.
Fire. Greg. Olson. NOW.
Now is the time....now is the best time....
NOw is the best time of your life….oh, regressing to Disney World.
It is unfortunate but since there has been NO improvement in play calling over the last 4 games, and I don’t see any hope it will. He may have to go ASAP. May be too late already…of course we are all just frustrated fans, we know nothing…..well other than we do have some expectations of having a Quality Product to root for.
I amd getting my BUCCANEER recycle bags ready for my visit to Titans vs. Bucs game. They will make great head coverings…all I have to do is cut some holes for eyes….oh wait…do I want to see…..\\\\\\\
GO BUCS!!!!!!!! GO OLSEN……anywhere????
Well i dont know who we get on offense for a coordinator.
How bout Herm Edwards for defensive coordinator?
Get it to Winslow. He'sopen!!!!
We all know my stance on this, but I enjoyed the read due to Sander laying out some points I hadnt thought of,
particularly the lack of progression. Good read.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.
Perhaps Rah will want to take his shots as OC too. J/K… Olsen has to go. 5 yard outs on 3rd ant 10 make me sick. not to mention his lack of motivation for these players. he needs to open up the Playbook (or in the bucs case their I-pad). these players have a ton of talent are young and impressionable. Le them have a little fun and they will play better. they are going to get frustrated just like us when you ask them to consistently catch the ball short of the first down marker. as for the run game I cant comment but to say we need a speed back to go with blount to change up the pace. All the good teams this year have one. ie bradshaw/ sproles/ jaquizz/ hunter.. Bring in a college coach who can better relate to these players.
This is the first time I've heard someone complain that he can't relate to the players
Usually it’s the opposite.
Maybe they can't relate to him?
Maybe he is too close to them. Remember Ronde said"he is one of us". Nobody likes to take orders from their friend.
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 14, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
Greg Olson needs to Leave asap!
This guy is not doing the job his play calling is weak its as if he has no confidence in his team an they come out looking like they just woke up an have not practiced in days like this is the worse Tampa team I have seen in a long time an we had some bad ones. I do not get how we are not feeding Blount the ball as much as he can take it to get this offense clicking again with him getting yards it will open up every thing else for them I know this you know this but they seem to not know it. I just would like to see some growth from this team they are so damn talented i know we are missing a few pieces here an there but overall we have a talented team even with the injuries.
LETS GO BUCS!!! and right this ship!!!!
by Benjamin Patterson on Nov 14, 2011 4:58 PM EST reply actions
fire olsen!
The bucks need to fire him now! They should offer Jay Gruden the job as offensive cord. & ass. head coach
Gruden's system ain't that great
"Well, if you guessin' it's me, you guessed correctly
I just stay with a stallion, you would swear I was an equestrian
I hit her with that pipe, call that Nancy Kerrigan
Stay on the greenest greens, call us vegetarians
You be on that minor league, but we smoke professionally"
didn't our D out score the Raiders in that game?
The O wasn’t good it was good enough. Honestly that would be a slight improvement at the moment though.
by Pirate25 on Nov 16, 2011 5:00 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Right now... I would happily accept "Good Enough"
on either side of the ball. We are nowhere close. Olson is the same joke he was 2 years ago. What happened to all of this talk about him grooming Drew Brees for success at Purdue, and running that high-powered STL offense with Mike Martz?
Not sure where all of those “Defending Olson” people went, but they were downright hostile when I was trashing Olson in 2009 when we promoted him to OC. He was a joke back then and remains as such.
by Cracker Ball on Nov 16, 2011 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Probably best...
They bet on the wrong horse.
by Cracker Ball on Nov 17, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
Get out forever Olson!
"Well, if you guessin' it's me, you guessed correctly
I just stay with a stallion, you would swear I was an equestrian
I hit her with that pipe, call that Nancy Kerrigan
Stay on the greenest greens, call us vegetarians
You be on that minor league, but we smoke professionally"
I dont like this teams play right now
Let me say, I think that rah and dom draft well. clayborn was a good pickup as were a few of our other good players but rahm is not a good d cord. two things stand out here first quincy black blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. this guy belongs on special teams. second we might have worst core of linebackers in the leauge. how many run plays get swung to the flat d line suck up o lineman and i do not see any linbackers making plays. tampa 2 is predicated on fast good linebackers play and its not there. when they resigned black I never understood it wtf he has never been a good player. This is tampa, I can live with a bad offense but i cant watch these masicers on d fen. if rah is to stay we need d cord and olsens got to go the only person he tricks with these plays are himself. done deal.
although
I don’t disagree with your statements about Quincy Black, keep in mind that this is not a predominantly Tampa 2 team anymore. We run more man than anything
by blountforcetrauma on Nov 16, 2011 7:44 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Just For Kicks...
What if Gruden wouldve been able to come back for the OC position. Before you all grab your pitch forks, just think about it for a moment; bear with me. Chucky recieved the same flack as Olsen for not getting a “Exciting” brand of offense going but one thing about Jon Gruden that no one can disagree with is that he knows who his playmakers were and capitalized on that.
Week in and week out EVERY team in the entire NFL knew that Jeff Garcia was looking for Joey Galloway deep on a 9 or a deep post and it worked almost EVERYTIME no matter the coverage and the whole stadium knowing where Tampa wanted to go with ball. That is not luck that is great playcalling and play design by Chucky at time.
Its safe to say that this team is far more talented than the teams Gruden had to deal with with alot more playmaking pieces (i.e. Free, Mike Will, Blount, Benn, Parker, Winslow, Briscoe) rather (Ike Hilliard, Pittman, Alex Smith, Charlie Garner, Michael Clayton).
All im saying is he was considered a offensive guru with the Raiders when the Raiders had a very good offense lead by a good QB in Gannon..sounds familiar? Making him the OC would relelgate him to only the offense and not being able to go snatch up old washed players like he did when he had the power to do so (see Tim Story) but I believe Grudens intensity & Rah’s youthful enthusiam would work wonders for a “Youngry” team in need of a breath of fresh air and a fire lit underneath them.
Again, just for kicks especially after Gruden has already signed the extension..
I agree with everyone, Fire Olson now...
Olson is not cutting the proverbial mustard. Generally I think firing a coach midseason is stupid, howeve, I think a change is in order now for the Bucs OC position.
Raheem should and probably will get one more season. After that who knows.
East Coast Fan
What sucks about something like this is you don't know...
if the move you make will help or just hurt more. I propose we start a system of “coaching depth.” We’ll hire Parcells to be the “Overlord Coach” whose only responsibilty is to rotate various coaches into the command positions as needed (and/or scream at them). If your offense needs a spark you can always shake things up with some new players. But if need some coaching spark you have to sever ties with someone and bring in a new boss who is unemployed in the middle of the season.
Hiring Parcells would be huge
But let’s face it- the Glaziers would never agree to pay the kind of salary he’d demand.
Fire. Greg. Olson. NOW.
by RookTakesYou on Nov 15, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Not a fan of Parcells
he’s just cruising on his reputation at this point, he really didn’t do anything for Miami.
RAHEEM IS A JOKE! OLSON IS GARBAGE! THE GLAZERS SUCK!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Nov 15, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
What do you mean he didn't do anything for Miami?
They went from 1-15 to the playoffs under him and they fell apart as soon as he left. The Bucs could never hire Parcells now though. He’s broken his word to the Glazers once and the organization twice.
by Brooklyn Buc on Nov 15, 2011 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it's accurate to say he didn't do anything for Miami.
by Brooklyn Buc on Nov 15, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Ollie is so horrible even though it sets us back this year... In the long run
it is so worth it to just dump him now. For all the potential this offense has, no way Ollie is the guy to unlock it. Ollie is QB coach at best, until we fire Olson we will continue to struggle and possibly not score a first quarter TD the rest of the year.
Rahiminik building a dynasty! Stephon Gilmore, Dre Kirkpatrick, Cliff Harris, JayRon Hoseley, Alfonzo Dennard, Morris Claiborne, Vontaze Burfict, or Mark Barron.. Are one of you guys the final piece to the puzzle here? Lots of QB's and OL this year, someone has to fall! ATL & NO don't have picks bwahahahaha
Arrelious Benn needs to be on the field on EVERY passing play
He is their best and most explosive weapon at receiver, so what the hell is the deal? Is there something I’m missing as to why he’s not on the field? Sometimes this team just pisses me off..
We want the ball, and we're gonna score!
It's Olson's crap calls
Pull Blount on third down. Benn is too good a blocker to use in passing situations. I don’t exonerate Rah in this, because he has the power to override. But it’s bull$hit, plain and simple.
Fire. Greg. Olson. NOW.
by RookTakesYou on Nov 15, 2011 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
WHY ISN'T BENN IN ON 3RD DOWN??
This is the biggest crock of crap to me. Olsen is living off of mike williams last year. if you ask me, i think briscoe and Benn should be the WR on passing downs because atleast you have two big WR who are capable of making playsS. Mike Williams looks like he needs to eat. He needs to go into the slot and build his confidence back up because he is stinking it up. Blount needs to carry the ball 20 times every game. PERIOD. FORGET THE SCORE. OLSEN should know that the bucs will be hanging around in the second half if we can control the clock. The bucs probably will never be a high octane offense but we have won a super bowl playing buc ball. For OLSEN – BUC BALL EXPLANATION. RUN the ball 30 times with your big back!!!!!! Play your game, don’t let the score dictate what we do. Freeman is struggling this year because we aren’t running the ball like we did last year. Blount had 1,007 yards last year. Blount got 13 carries vs saints and Olsen said we gotta ge blount going and then he runs the guy 10 times vs texans. Benn was told he would see more playing time and I see Briscoe and parker in on 3rd down.
Can someone tell me why Spurlock is Inactive every game. he was huge for us a few games last year. NFL standards say that a guy shouldn’t lose his job to injury . That looks like it has happened with sammie stroughter. I am so fed up with the guy
FIRE OLSEN LIKE THE LIONS AND RAMS!!!
LAST QUESTIONs: can someone tell me why olsen puts their 4 or 5th wr briscoe in the #2 wr spot on key 3rd downs and in the 2 minute drill and hurry up offense when we got a stud benn?
Why don’t we see hurry up offense like the patriots use just to get their offense jump started. It doesn’t only haveto be used in last 2 mins.
I'm sorry
See the lions game. We were 2 minute offense the entire 2nd half and we were never down by that much. That one’s on rah though and he admitted it in the presser afterwards.
by blountforcetrauma on Nov 16, 2011 7:50 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Ahhhh a "Fire Olsen Thread"
Sadly it’s the 1 thing us fans can agree on. Theres no way I can even see him coming back next yr seeing how just about everything has taking a huge step backwards from last yr. The way the Chargers season is going I doubt Norv Turner will be back there next yr, I think he be a good fit for us(as an OC not HC).
I'd normally prefer to make changes after the season
But the way things are going after the season could effectively be a couple of weeks away.
With players not on their best form the last thing they need is for the play calling to be predictable and that is exactly what it has become.
They find themselves in to many 3rd and mid-long situations and then telegraph the play by removing Blount.
I don’t if his pass blocking isn’t up to the same standard as Lumpkin’s he has to stay in for a fair proportion of 3rd downs to keep defenses honest.
He’s also having receivers take short routes over the middle on these downs rather than stretching the field and leaving the middle for a tight end or Lumpkin/Blount to move into after their blocking assignment, small wonder then that the conversion rate isn’t good.
Compare Bucs struggles on 3rd down with the Saints where they have a multitude of weapons (which is what the Bucs are advertised as after last year in terms of number of weapons) and he should have the tools to allow him to develop a wider arsenal of plays and be more creative.
I'm not really sure this season is salvagable.
Putting Logan or Van Pelt in as interim does not guarantee a change in playcalling, nor does it give them an opportunity to execute an offense they want. Not to mention, there isn’t much talent there to work with in the first place. Our receivers can’t get any seperation, Freeman is struggling regardless of playcalling, our OL is spotty, No depth at RB and our TE is one dimensional. Not a great situation for Logan to prove himself in.
Formerly UNFNole
by MNeilson on Nov 15, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Damn, very true
I like norv as oc but hell get a head coaching job somewhere
by Carlitin1988 on Nov 15, 2011 5:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not a great situation, no
But could Logan’s playcalling be any WORSE than Olson’s? He’s not a guaranteed success, but he’s not a known failure either.
Fire. Greg. Olson. NOW.
by RookTakesYou on Nov 15, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, why not give logan a chance?
You never know, he could be a diamond in the rough.
East Coast Fan
by Bucfan on Nov 15, 2011 8:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

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