Pat Yasinkas says the Buccaneers need to dial down the confidence

Yasinkas, the four letter network's NFC South blogger calls out Josh Freeman and Mike Williams here for overconfidence. Freeman is quoted as saying he believes the reason he has thrown six interceptions is overconfidence. If he is so confident, I wish he would throw it past the first down marker every now and then.

Williams is quoted as saying he has been playing terribly, and nobody really disagrees. Morris does come to his rescue with quote about being young though.

This bit about Freeman's lack of success thus far was especially interesting:

"Part of it may be the play selection. Freeman’s got one of the league’s strongest arms, yet the Bucs haven’t been throwing down the field very often. According to ESPN Stats & Information, Freeman’s attempted just eight passes of 21 or more yards and he's completed only two of them. The only other regular starter to have thrown fewer deep passes is Indianapolis’ Kerry Collins (seven), and he’s missed two games due to injury."

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I know this is what Freeman has been saying too, but I have to disagree

If you’re barely ever throwing downfield, you are not playing too confident. You’re not playing confident enough. How can you be a confident quarterback and only throw downfield eight times? Freeman has been captain checkdown if anything.

And the issue on those two interceptions last week wasn’t really confidence either. I’ve finally seen the all-22 tape, and Josh Freeman just reads the coverage completely wrong on the first interception, while the second interception was caused by a poorly run route by Spurlock who drifts upfield when he needs to make a sharp cut and come back to the QB.

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by Sander on Oct 13, 2011 1:43 PM EDT reply actions

He's been awfully confident throwing into double and triple coverage in the endzone

I don’t honestly think the problems have anything to do with confidence one way or the other.

by aakks on Oct 13, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions

his words and his play say two completely different things

hes saying hes been overconfident and it is true that he has thrown into double coverage a lot but i think if i had to pick over confident or under confident i’d go under, last year he was quick to throw the ball, this year youll see him studder step in the pocket like 3 times before he goes anywhere with the ball. And i do think he needs to throw a lot more 15+ yard passes.

by Carlitin1988 on Oct 13, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Not just PART of it, ALL OF IT is bad play selection that other teams already know is coming….or poor play design where even the announcers are wondering why the receivers are so close together they are tripping each other and they don’t even know who the ball was going to…. REPLACE GREG OLSON, he is NOT an O.C. at all!!!
I hope Rah or Dom checks in here for fan perspective. Put Olson on notice!!

by Hatter on Oct 13, 2011 1:43 PM EDT reply actions

He never was a timid captain checkdown before…I just feel that he and the receivers hate the plays being called and checking down is the safest bet at the moment..

by Hatter on Oct 13, 2011 1:46 PM EDT reply actions

Please use the reply button

And use subject lines.

Also, you make a whole lot of assumptions about things you can’t possibly know. Most of these things you complain about and other people complain about boils down to execution

’It’s predictable’ is the most nonsense argument I’ve ever heard, anyway. Outside of a handful of special plays it’s generally impossible to see the play design and how it’s supposed to work. How can you then say that the play is predictable?

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by Sander on Oct 13, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions

what do you mean ?

even we know the play that is going to be run, let alone the defensive coordinators and other players. i dont watch film because i dont prepare for the bucs on sunday but if i did i can guarantee you that on a handful of plays id be able to tell you what play were gonna run

by Carlitin1988 on Oct 13, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions

How often do you call out the exact play before it's going to be run?

How often are you right? And can you call it any more detailed than run/pass? Can you call whether they’re going to run zone or power or iso? Can you call what the passing route combinations are going to be? Can you call the progressions?

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by Sander on Oct 13, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions

No, I cant

but if i was a DB i wouldnt have to look at more than 10 hours of film and yes i would be able to awnser most of those questions just by formation alone

by Carlitin1988 on Oct 13, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions

How do you know that?

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by Sander on Oct 13, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions

No disrespect, but he cant. Impossible.

The fact of the matter is the players are not gelling together, whether it is lack of confidence, cohesion or lack of understanding the play called.
I have seen too many routes run poorly, not crisp enough. Wiliams last year appeared to run goid routes, not so much this year, plus not catching the ball that is thrown to him.

East Coast Fan

by Bucfan on Oct 13, 2011 3:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

Knowing the verbage

We can guess at what plays will be ran, but my main point is the verbage that Mo and Kyle was able to pass on, and thats not just speculation either..

..as for San Frans comments about knowing what we were going to do, I don’t know how they did it as we had no players go to their team but they did say they knew…I wonder how? any ideas?

by Hatter on Oct 13, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions

The verbiage isn't all that special

There are only a few systems of verbiage in the NFL. It’s the audibles that are useful, but teams generally change those up from week to week anyway so that’s not very useful.

Teams always say that after they dominate on defense. Usually that just means they were well-prepared and the opposing team didn’t run anything they hadn’t run in previous games. That’s no surprise given that the Bucs had basically just two days to prepare with the short week and the six-hour flight.

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by Sander on Oct 13, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions

well i think San Fran really knew what we were doing

and it clearly shows on some plays

by Carlitin1988 on Oct 13, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions

I think they had a very good feel for the offense, yes

Having just two days to prepare had a lot to do with that.

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by Sander on Oct 13, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions

come on sander if it was anyone else i wouldnt even reply

but you have too much football knowledge to ignore theres a problem with the playcalling on offense

by Carlitin1988 on Oct 13, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions

I know the offense hasn't been productive

I think the playcalling has something to do with that, but it’s impossible to say how much because I just can’t evaluate that – and I don’t think a lot of people on here can. The biggest problem in the passing game has been Freeman either not throwing the ball to open guys or receivers not getting open. Is that because of scheme or is that because of players? That’s completely impossible to say.

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by Sander on Oct 13, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions

imo its 50/50 i think your right and i think im right

and its impossible to say the players are giving 110% effort on every play but when its 4th and 2 and 4th an 1 and were out of the shotgun formation and run a draw, then thats a perfect opportunity to critisize the o/c.

by Carlitin1988 on Oct 13, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions

And it burns me up that greasy Olson had the nerve to throw them all under the bus and say they lost their swagger…sheeesh.

Im done venting, sorry. (Get out of town Olson!!) :)

by Hatter on Oct 13, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions

Reply button? is that really something you enforce?

It is not assumptions, other teams laughing on twitter saying exactly that.. especially Detroit where Stovall and Kyle Moore went. Im not here to cause trouble, but I reply as I see fit, and I don’t care for subject lines at all unless needed..

by Hatter on Oct 13, 2011 2:18 PM EDT reply actions

What exactly have Stovall or Kyle Moore done for their respective teams?

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I just stay with a stallion, you would swear I was an equestrian
I hit her with that pipe, call that Nancy Kerrigan
Stay on the greenest greens, call us vegetarians
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by 4QB on Oct 13, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Meaning that...

When we played Detroit they knew a lot of our plays etc because they were told by Stovall and Moore.

by Hatter on Oct 13, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions

When I ask you to use the reply button, I expect you to actually use it

And yes, we enforce that (though we don’t usually make a big deal out of it unless it happens a lot, like with you). Because these conversations become impossible to read if you don’t keep them structured. There are some rules here, you know.

If other teams are laughing at Greg Olson why, exactly, is he consistently brought up as a great assistant coach who could get a look as a head coach next year? Writers don’t pull that out of thin air.

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by Sander on Oct 13, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

My apologies, I confess I didn't realize thats how it worked..

by Hatter on Oct 13, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Another thing..

I heard that mentioned just once at the begining of the year and thats it.. He will never be a head coach ..he is just another Gruden flunky IMO..

by Hatter on Oct 13, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions

I've seen at least three separate articles this year

Olson actually got most of his development before he encountered Gruden. Worked with Scott Linehan in St. Louis, worked with Steve Mariucci in Detroit. Only spent a year with Gruden.

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by Sander on Oct 13, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions

To me he is inadequate..

but really only time will tell, I am not a professional…on one hand you have last year and he looked good, other hand this year the offense is predictable..the defenders seem to be running the routes along with the WR’s, and not missing a step.

by Hatter on Oct 13, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions

This just reminded me of when I wrote this before last season.

http://www.bucsnation.com/2010/1/25/1269507/olson-and-morris-a-match-made-in

First time you and I ever butted heads. I still think Olson’s experience from before he came here is misrepresented in the media. And ouch to this:

Unfortunately I’m also sure that we are going to lose more games than we win next season. Josh Freeman is going to throw 25+ interceptions and many of them will come at crucial points in the game. Cadillac will be carrying the ball between 12-15 times a game. Morris will be questioning his decision to keep Mr. Olson, but it will be too late for Raheem. It just seems like a waste to me, that such a promising young coach would tie his future alongside that of a perpetual failure.

I guess everybody has to be wrong every now and then. haha

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by LeeCaz on Oct 13, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't think he is a good coach, and I don't think that he is a candidate for a head coaching job

I saw the article on National Football Post, but I disagree with it. Maybe he was a candidate after last season, but the exact same offense he was receiving applause for is doing considerably worse with the exact same skill players and a better offensive line.

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by LeeCaz on Oct 13, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions

If it was just one isolated article I wouldn't put much stock in it

But Dilfer said the same thing, as did an ESPN power ranking this offseason. I’ve seen it come up during last season as well. Usually when you hear something like that from multiple writers there are sources somewhere spreading that word.

I really think the largest part of the blame for the struggling offense has to go on Freeman’s shoulders, not Olson’s.

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by Sander on Oct 13, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Follow the community guidelines or you are not a part of the community.

It’s really that simple. Way to stick it to the man and not use the reply button. Perhaps after you’re done here you can go join your brethren at the UNLV blog.

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by LeeCaz on Oct 13, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions

Meh...

I didn’t use it just because I was ignorant of it…no more no less..

by Hatter on Oct 13, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions

No worries.

The threaded commenting is one of the best features on the SBN sites. It allows for multiple conversations to take place. Enjoy the site and welcome aboard.

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by LeeCaz on Oct 13, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Thanks..

Message boards or blogging or whatever its called is not something I do really, usually just read and never post a whole lot. except one other place.

by Hatter on Oct 13, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions

It's a combination of things

Olson has been lackluster in his play calling, and most fans would agree that our offensehas looked stale, late, and drowsy.

Freeman needs to show off that cannon, maybe he needs to grow a set and make his own play calls.

Mike Williams hasn’t been very good, but I believe it’s bc of the play calling and overall scheme.

How good would DeAean Jackson look in pewter next year? C’mon Glazers, spend some money on the Bucs like you do/did for Man U.

by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Oct 13, 2011 2:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions

How good with a WR with no hands look on a team with WR's who can't catch?

The Irony is amazing

by 4QB on Oct 13, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Desean Jackson has no hands?

That is simply not true. He isn’t Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald, but he can catch just fine. As Sander said below, it doesn’t really matter, but I would love to have him on this team.

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by LeeCaz on Oct 13, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Desean Jackson isn't even a free agent right now

He might be next year, but the Bucs don’t spend on free agents. Daydreaming is only going to lead to disappointment.

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by Sander on Oct 13, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions

your right about D/J because a. hes not a free agent right now and b. hell most likely get a better deal from philly

But the fact that we dont spend on free agents is an issue

by Carlitin1988 on Oct 13, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions

We got Simeon Rice in free agency

And we paid for a darn good punter, “bc we missed on drafting one, so we had to go out and correct it in FA”.

Our WR talent level is average at best, and DJ would be awesome for us. Freeman would get to show off his arm more. DJ as the #1, MW as the 2, Benn in the slot, and this would keep defenses from stacking the box against Blount.

DJ is still youthful, and is entering the prime of his career, Pay da man!

by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Oct 13, 2011 3:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

The Bucs have plenty of talent at wide receiver

But they’re all young players who are still learning the position.

And, again, you’re daydreaming. He isn’t a free agent, it’s extremely unlikely the Eagles even let him walk, and even if he does it’s very unlikely the Bucs pursue him.

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by Sander on Oct 13, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions

none of our WR's have the talent that Desean Jackson have

and i think Mike Will makes a bettter no. 1 than him but you can never rule out the fact that with D/J on offense we can score from anywhere on the field and thats tough for opposing defenses to plan for plus i dont know how many times we’ve said that we need someone either lightning fast or very explosive on offense.

by Carlitin1988 on Oct 13, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions

With Parker in the slot, and Benn and M. Will out wide we have too much potential to pay what D. Jack would want.

The Bucs aren’t going to spend on a FA like Jackson until our WR core absolutely needs an upgrade. Right now our receivers are young, Dom is going to wait until they mature until he even thinks about paying money like that.

by jBen05 on Oct 13, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions

If our guys get "that" good

then were gonna have to pay them that anyways, wouldnt you agree ?

by Carlitin1988 on Oct 13, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Whether I agree or not, the Bucs have explicitly stated that they are going to build through the draft.

Until Williams or Benn turns into Clayton, then I don’t see them getting someone like Jackson unless he comes cheap.

by jBen05 on Oct 13, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions

DJ is would be worth every penny

1. He is a human highlight real.

2.He will also fit in with the “youth movement”.

3. With his talents, MW wold be more open, and Blount would see less 8 man boxes.

4. I am clearly day dreaming, but wow. He would be exactly what we need.

5. If we don’t get him bc the Glazers are cheapos

by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Oct 13, 2011 4:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

If Daniel Snyder was our owner, then I think you make a good case.

I’m sure Dom has gotten specific instructions to spend as little as possible. With our talent level at receiver, there is no way we spend all-star money unless that all-star is willing to take a pay cut just to play with the Bucs.

by jBen05 on Oct 13, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions

Jackson is not a bust

He’s a proven commodity, and say we do add that much money in a FA, who netter than a speedster WR that demands attention, andhe has big play punt return ability.

We are known for following the Packers model, but remember, they inked Charles Woodson (who is way older, and worth it).

I believe DeSean Jackson could be as significant to us.

Signing him would also allow us to draft some linemen and DB’s.

by BUCSwillDOMINATE on Oct 13, 2011 4:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions

DeSean Jackson is a good player and would make this offense better

But it is bordering on the delusional to think the Buccaneers would sign him, if they even get the chance to (which they probably won’t).

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by Sander on Oct 13, 2011 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Not to sound corny but...

I think we should root for the team as much as possible right now. Tough times right now but we aint out of it. We took a beating last week but if we can beat N.O. we will be right back in it. We should maybe do some more Tampa 2 on defense… cuz or pass defense sucks right now. Freeman has to step up. Scramble more and make plays. But am i the only one the isnt impressed with Jeff Faine? Hasnt really done much on the o-line in my opinion.

by dcbucsfan on Oct 13, 2011 3:15 PM EDT reply actions

i will root for this team if they lose the next 11 games and end up 3-13

i will never stop rooting for them dc because thats what “good” fans are supposed to do, but i think some of us just put the blindfold on when it comes to certain things, i know MD and RM know more about football than any of us but just because they do doesnt mean we should approve of everything they do. Obviously the decision to not go after any big names in free agency does hurt this team and does hurt our chances of winning. To me its stupid to say " well this group well be a contender next year or in two years" its about trying to win EVERY year.

by Carlitin1988 on Oct 13, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions