Here is why Barrett Ruud is just not that guy.
by keysersoze19 on Jan 30, 2011 6:12 PM EST
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While reading a recent post on the grading Barrett Ruud, I felt that everyone had an basic understanding of what Barrett has to do, but no one fully understood his responsibilities. I went online to read many articles on what Barrett has to do in our defense the best 1 came from this site(http://www2.tbo.com/content/2010/nov/20/201926/tampa-bays-ruud-playing-the-middle-exactly-right/sports-bucs/).
Like I said most of bucnation already understand what Ruud has to do. So lets not waste a lot of time talking about, Ruud getting that depth in the middle of the field and calling the plays and what have you. 1 key thing that the article brought out is how the undertackle and the weakside linebacker have the most responsibility at stopping the run, and making plays behind the line of scrimmage. Another Key point is that Barrett is a failsafe guy who protects the gaps on the second level, meaning he is supposed to make plays 5 yards off the line where other guys make mistake playing their gaps, that is almost the role of a safety.
This still does not change my view on Barrett, mainly cause of these 2 points.
1. I think his range has a limit, when someone messes up on their gap assignment I think his ability to pick it up is limited. Also there are a lot of miss tackles at the second level with him manning the middle there should be a lot of gang tackles on the second level. Also since he has limited range, and has to do a lot of anticipating when he is wrong his broken plays lead to big plays and touchdowns.
2. I don't care who you are and what role you play on this defense the main role is making plays, of course you are supposed to make the play infront of you but it is important to be a playmaker. With the group of guys we have now and our D-linemen still under development, I think it is imperative that we have a play maker in the middle. Ruud is just not that guy. We need a guy there who can cover range in the secondary to get ints get knock downs and force plus recover fumbles consistently, all while taking care of his MLB responsibilities.
What Rah wants from his MLB he gets in Ruud with a real good grade. But this teams needs more a lot more from the MLB position. Hayes is good but he is no Brooks, Mccoy will be great but he is no Sapp, Jones os good but he is no Lynch. We need a dominate playmaker in the middle. When it is all said and done Ruud is just not that guy.
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Can't have playmakers at every positions
And I would say that MLB is one of the least important places to have a playmaker, honestly.
Idk about that, but I can say our OLB's aren't the most aggressive..
Can’t expect all these splash plays when you have two other LB’s in the group, I say make Hayes and Black stand up or start replacing people including Ruud if he has another down year.
OLBs are usually in better position to make splash plays
They’re in better position to blitz and they’re less likely to get swallowed up by blockers simply because of the position where they play.
Really this sounds like our other LB's are failing more than Ruud
I’ve never known a Tampa MLB to be the one making splash plays. Why is no one talking about the lack of plays from Black and Hayes? Black is also a free agent. Should we bring him back?
Ruud isn’t Ray Lewis, but we don’t play a 3-4 either.
Hardy Nickerson was a pretty good MLB...
and made more than his share of big plays. Tough to find another one like that.
by Cracker Ball on Jan 31, 2011 10:54 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Shelton Quarles
Why not do what we did with Shelton and Move one of the OLB into Middle and see how they handle it
Raheem Morris + 2010 = Buccaneer in the playoffs
@ BucBurgh412
I would like to see the same thing cause I think Quincy can do the perfect Shelton 2 step, maybe better if he can get the calling the plays plus calling audibles and all that right, and I say we need a playmaker in the middle because Quincy and Geno do not make enough splash plays don’t get me wrong they are perfect for what we do, I would not ask for 2 other guys at OLB, but they lack something I don’t know what it is yet maybe it is consistency, but I think the Middle LB in our defense is put in position to be a playmaker esp since he is the secondary so much, esp since he is almost the clean up man. trust me any guy playing MLB with range in our defense will develop in to a play maker, also note I read one article where they said the bucs might try Tryone Mckenzie out at the MLB position
Maybe it's just me...
But I feel I’m just as likely to see many “playmakers” in this league screw up as often as they do actually make plays.
There’s a lot to be said for always being in the right position. Often as not, the “playmakers” are allowed to do what they do because others have their backs. Just as likely, some players are forced to stay in their roles and don’t have the opportunity to make plays because others are trying to do too much playmaking. Someone has to cover for them.
If everyone could maintain their role (almost impossible because of the mismatches that exist within the game, but most teams could be better at it), the big plays happen more often and come from different sources, which makes it more difficult for teams to gameplan effectively.
I love a big play as much as the next guy, but I don’t want them coming as a result of bad positioning and taking scheme responsibilities lightly.
The two blockbuster players I see this happen with most often are Cromartie and Freeney. Freeney is often so intent on rushing the passer that running backs run right by him. It’s no secret that many teams use traps, misdirection and what-not against him in order to take advantage of that defense. It’s maddening how good and how bad he can be, at the same time.
Cromartie is so intent on jumping routes and thinking he’s going to get pick-6 that he’s easily baited into falling for double moves and he gets beaten somewhat regularly because of it. With lesser receivers, he’s able to make up for it more often than not, but sometimes he’s so far out of position that I could lumber 35 yards for a TD because of his over-pursuit of making the big play. He’s the type of double-edged sword that I hate to have on my favorite teams.
While Ruud doesn’t make a lot of plays, he’s not often the guy responsible for giving the offense big plays, either. I think that’s just as important a factor.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
I think he does...
but it’s not much greater than a 50-50 chance, I don’t think.
If the Lions (just for a for instance) were less set on keeping DeAndre Levy in the middle, I think he’d be a fit there and Levy could slot back over to one of the OLB positions, which is what he played in college and his rookie season (and was a huge hole on that Detroit team last season).
Basically, any of the 4-3 teams in a league that rely on cover 2 with LBs falling into coverage more often than not would be a fit. I just used Detroit as an example because they have the right defensive scheme and quite a few former Nebraska players (enough that it’s probably not simply coincidence) on the team.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Good example
because alot of good LB’s come out of Detroit and Nebraska. Ernie Simms was great, Levy, yes, another stud. I think there’s one of two more mentionables in the Lions recent past.
is this true for
Rey Lewis, Troy I can’t spell his last name, Ed Reed, Charles Woodson, Patrick Willis, Ronde Barber, Clay Matthews, Demrcus Ware, Darren Sharper
by keysersoze19 on Jan 31, 2011 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Rudd is not a journeyman.
We drafted him, If he hasnt changed teams since being drafted there is no justification for calling him a journeyman whatsoever.
I think we need to keep him. Losing someone who manages our defense on the level he does when no one else is mentally ready to replace him is foolish. Keep Rudd for a reasonable price and develop Tyrone. I like his potential but he isn’t there mentally to place the position yet.
I believe he is...
jour·ney·man:
[jur-nee-muhn] –noun Any experienced, competent but routine worker or performer.
These guys are very good at staying within their role...
As is Ruud, imo.
The difference is that Ray Lewis, for example, has players like Terrell Suggs, Ed Reed, et al. that are also very good at staying within their roles. If Ray Lewis had our D-line the past 3-4 seasons (ignoring scheme changes, etc.), he wouldn’t have been nearly as effective in his role. Same for Suggs.
All the names on this list are great athletes and, to be sure, elite players. But they also benefit by having some pretty great players (and coaches, in most cases) around them. The Ravens, Packers, 49ers, and Cowboys had great defense a year ago. Steelers, Ravens, Packers, Saints had great defenses this season.
The only player on the list that hasn’t really had a great defense in at least a couple of the past 3-4 years is Barber, and it shows in his statistics. Some of that’s probably age, and some of that is lack of help.
If Ray Lewis sees something and wants to blitz or come up to clog a gap impromptu, he knows he’s got some great players behind him that can cover for his absence in the scheme that was called. Ruud hasn’t really had a whole lot of cover in that respect.
Ruud’s never been on a team that’s been able to stop the run, although the 2007-08 teams did pretty well against the pass. In those years, we saw Ruud make some plays he hasn’t in less successful years…3 FF in 07, 3 sacks in 08 (plus his normal 1-2 INTs and five or so pass deflections each season). He was making plays. And those are coming from a Tampa 2 scheme in which he’s probably falling back into coverage more often than not.
It’s no surprise that players’ best seasons occur when they’re on a team with great defense, but most people disregard or underestimate how the team as a whole did when looking at individual statistics. A lot of plays come on the back of great team defense, rather than spectacular individual effort. When everyone’s on the same page and playing their roles to the best of their abilities, playmakers emerge.
Do I think Ruud emerges as a playmaker with a great defense around him?? Not in a Brian Urlacher fashion, but I think he picks up an extra sack or two, an additional forced fumble or three, and an extra pick or so. He’s not going to be a world-beater, but he can be a pretty productive player.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
Ruud plays in a defense that not good at stopping the run
that is just what it is playing in the Tampa2 you are giving up something on the ground esp against strong in-between the tackle runners even 1 of the greatest defense ever assembled the 2002 Bucs D we gave up some big rushing yards even though we had 1 of the best defense ever, I would just like to see a playmaker in the middle of our defense, now if Mccoy comes back next year and he is who I think he is(in my Dennis Green voice) then that problem may be solved, but there is no doubt about it we need a playmaker in the middle of our defense
by keysersoze19 on Feb 3, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
I would like to go on record and say
if the staff does not feel they can replace him then yea keep him, but if they feel they can get someone and coach them up or feel they already have someone who can fill the void then don’t think twice about bringing him back
I will say the same thing I said last year...
about Ruud. Bring him back (if reasonable) but actively seek his replacement.
How do you know he isn't reasonable?
No one actually knows anything about the kind of contract he wants.
I don't normally think players should read...
their press clippings, but Ruud probably should, at least around here. Has the physical tools (well… probably could be stronger) but doesn’t seem to have the fire inside.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 2, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
The truth about Rudd
Barrett Rudd is a solid MLB who plays the pass better than the run. With our D-Line being our weak link the past few seasons his defincies against the run have been exposed. If we plan on having a mediocre D-Line for the next few seasons than we need a MLB who can get off blocks, and stuff gaps. These are the things Rudd struggles with. If we have a D-Line that can penetrate and cause havoc for opponents O-Line schemes then Rudd won’t be such a liability. He can then play to his strengths as a pass defender.
When it comes to the run
Barrett is almost like a Safety, he is not supposed to take on blockers he id to drop in the secondary against the run so that he can play his gap protection role, it is his job to make sure that he is in the right position when it comes to playing the run, so that he won’t be in the wrong play or set to be taking on any blockers. for barrett to be taking on blockers at the line means he does not have the defense in the right set against the run which would be bad on his part.
Which is why I look to Black and Hayes more or less on our discussions,
Because, yes, Ruud is a more coverage LB. He gets picks in traffic, dropping back he does good things. But to the run, not so which is why I see a need for our OLB’s to be that penetrating force that Ruud isn’t so much aligned for. I think if Tampa could use Ruud to his abilities while getting maybe one good pass-rush LB on the QB, things might come easier for the bucs with pressure
Just because Ruud is in coverage
does not mean he has no responsibility against the run, he is there to protect the Gaps all while making sure the run gets stopped at the second level, now the ineffectiveness of our DTs affects our OLBs the most esp our WLB, but to be honest our defense as a whole played solid the second half of the season,
remember how I brought out how if Ruud is taking on O-linemen against the run that he has put the D in the wrong set simply cause he is supposed to be off the line of scrimmage, what kind of affect do you think that has on the rest of the defense and our OLBs they are out of position themselves, all of that falls back on Ruud
He certainly has responsibilites toward the run
but Tampa2 and tampa2 zone call for a deep middle? and I think thats really why Tampa has never had a dominate middle linebacker. If you have a solid middle coverage, OLB"s are supposed to be the ones who pick TE’s and slats off, because that mike is infront of. You see what I mean?
Brain Urlacher
is a great Tampa2 middle linebacker and so was Shelton Quarles put Lawrence Timmons in our defense and he will be a defensive player of the year candidate, we just need the right guy who not only fits in to what we do but fits in to our system but compliments our players, Ruud is not that guy
by keysersoze19 on Feb 4, 2011 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Brian Urlacher is a beast
He stuffs the run, play okay coverage.
Ruud, sucks at the run, plays great coverage.
yeah he did play great in 08 but the last couple of years have been mediocre, even in pass coverage
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 14, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Brooks was treated like garbage and released
only to suddenly appear on the NFL’s greatest players list, gotta love it.
by Titankillah on Feb 15, 2011 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
He was a Buc from 1993-1999...
with 5 Pro Bowls. The Man.
Monte Kiffin started coaching in Tampa beginning back in 1996.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 4, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Our system puts the MLB in a position to be a playmaker
not all MLB in the Tampa2 are playmakers but they are put in a position to be a playmaker
I always thought the Will was being put in a position to be the playmaker in our D
Obviously we cant have a super star at every position, a solid player who can stay healthy is a very valuable thing when surrounded by great talent. Ruud will never be more then solid but until we have a clear upgrade I would rather try and improve around him. Rah specifically pointed out that our Mike is the safety of the LB’s and Rudd does very well at that. If we had a D that required a thumper at Mike, Rudd would not be our guy. I believe Rudd’s critics are correct in their assesment of his talent, and I would LOVE a dominant Mike, but to not try and have a solid guy like him on our team while we are building a D would be crazy. If we can keep his price down, I like the idea of penciling him in at MLB for another few years while looking for some pro bowl level outside LB’s.
That whats I thought, MLB was in the deep middle
letting the OLB’s make plays in the coverage upfront
my take
look, ruud is an OK player, not the best, not the worst, BUT, he never lived up for the expectations and i think we can upgrade him…..
tampa 2 scheme is more about speed, ruud its kinda slow ( in my eyes he is maybe im wrong) and if the bucs hit another homerun in the draft, we can pick up casey matthews as a MLB.
now, if i talk about the rest, Quincy Black its kinda invisible, geno hayes made splash plays…after 3 screwed, so we dont have that LB Core we need, geno can be a really great BACK UP, no more, Quincy im not sure, so i say take bruce carter from North Carolina and take a look on watson and mckenzie….
and please, not more about safeties needs!!! take a look on grimm, jones, lynch and asante, and im not even counting tjax (but i think he will be gone after suspension) and we have a good group, maybe next year after sean jones contract expires, but we have the guys we need
I don't like the way they use Ruud, he's a MLB not a DB.
That being said, he’s not a good MLB if he actually got to play it.
I'm not negative, I'm just telling you how it is.
Our OLBs will play better
Those guys are already playmakers, the better our DL plays the better they will play our DT’s affect the play of our OLB not the MLB, plus as instinctive as a lot of people say Ruud is he is supposed to put or OLBs in a position to make plays, I don’t think he does a good job at doing that. That is my biggest thing with Ruud although I feel he did a better job at putting those guys in good position later in the year he could be better and it is vital that he or who ever is manning the middle is consistent at you can say Quarterbacking the defense, Brooks was so great cause he was the guy Quarterbacking our defense.
Your right
If our D line was more intense , our DB’s could play tighter (for shorter lapse since DE is gettin at that QB) and our entire LB corp would be gettin’ off blocks.
But one thing that Dline upgrade ain’t going to fix is the def. captains calls. The playcaller has to be intelligent. So much so, he has to rival offensive coordinators on the field. Is that Ruud? Our base defense has changed into zone/then man so I don’t know how many successful/unsuccessful plays were made on that account, ya know?
by Titankillah on Feb 15, 2011 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
It's impossible to say how often Ruud adjusts and if he adjusts well
Because you can’t know the original calls, the adjusted calls, nor when or how Ruud changes things. The only thing we have to judge that by is the coaches’ word.
So anyone, including keyser, claiming to be able to judge how well he's doing that
Is full of it, in my opinion.
Only Rah really knows what Ruud is up to
Dominik says he wants him back, so he can’t be too sketchy right?
No actually you can teel how a defender makes adjustments
you ever see Rey Lewis play against Peyton Manning you see Lewis do a lot of adjusting, how do you think he makes the adjustments you think every player has a mic in their helmet, no this is done by the guy calling the plays he gives the signal and the players adjust, it is not that hard to see it is just like a QB calling a audible.
by keysersoze19 on Feb 15, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
But there’s a lot of shouting at every play of the game, and Ruud directs the defense a lot. What you can’t judge is how good he is at it, because you can’t know the original call, nor the changes Ruud made, nor why he made those changes.
Or accouting for any bluff action
I mean for real though
by Titankillah on Feb 16, 2011 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
It is all about the QB of the defense
You really don’t see opposing HC, OC, or QB talking about how Ruud does a good job at calling audibles or confusing the defense, most of what Tampa does in that department comes form Rah and his brilliance, Not so we going to say that he has a low grade in that department, but what about his ability to make plays or at least be a defensive enforcer well we all know he gets a low grade in that department as well, overall I say we need someone new in the middle if we want to take that next step, the pieces are being put in place there is a guarantee and I guarantee that
1Kyle Moore
2Roy Miller
3Gearld Mccoy
4Qunicy Black
5Geno Hayes
6Aqib Talib
7Cody Grimm
8Ronde Barber
9Sean Jones
all those guys will start for us next year, it is a god group but there is 1 thing that is missing and that is a leader who opposing teams have to worry about and gameplan around, now I could be wrong cause I think either Hayes, Talib, or Mccoy can emerge as that guy(this calls for an interesting post) but 1 thing is for sure it is important that these group of guys have he right guy quarterbacking the defense I don’t think Ruud is that guy.
Kyle Moore is a piece?
Don’t make me laugh. Kyle Moore is the worst defensive end on the roster, with the exception of the practice squad guys (probably). He’ll have a hard time making the roster next year, let alone earning a starting job.
Quincy Black was uneven this year and there was no dropoff when Hayward and Watson platooned instead of him starting. He’s a free agent. I don’t expect him back. Geno will face competition for his spot at the least because he too was uneven. Ronde’s contract has to be worked out before he can be back, and it’s possible he switches to a nickel role a la Charles Woodson instead of being a fulltime outside CB.
Talib’s the only one the opponent has to gameplan around right now. McCoy could become that guy, so could Geno. Black has the talent but doesn’t seem to have the skills to be that guy.
Keyser is up to his old tricks...
of predicting everything for next year. Good to see you back.
I think Black will leave, Kyle Moore will be cut and Ronde will be the nickel CB. I would rather see Okam get about half the reps instead of Miller as starter and hope we can add 2 DEs to both start, along with another OLB and S.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 15, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Black wasnt too impressive either, i think he can be good but dont really care if hes back
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 15, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think we will be better if he leaves...
as then the active pursuit for a replacement will have to happen out of necessity. We should have already started looking to replace Ruud, but did not last year. Now we may have to. That could be 2 of the 3 LB starters gone.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 15, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
You guys, if we lost Black(and/or) Ruud WE"D BE HURTING...
I’d shutter for opener next year. Yeah Ruud isn’t studying hard enough, and Black isn’t standing up enough, but jeez, if we lost both of em we’d be hurting. Watson hasn’t had an all-star career or an all-star LB to learn from, pretty much unfinished product. Thats it. When Brooks was released we didnt only lose a first-round ballet HOF’er (who almost gapped two generations) but also his leadership and all the things that came with that.. We’re young and with a looming lock-out, I see every team declining in performance. Now I’m looking at the roster without Ruud or Black, boy we’re in trouble.
I ain’t seen any footage of McKenzie to make me believe he is the one to put down Michael Turner twice a year… Lets be real.
We lost Black at the end of the year
Hayward and Watson stepped in, and the production really didn’t drop off. That’s not going to be a problem.
I would rather lose Ruud and Black in 2011...
than Derrick Brooks in 2009, but that happened, and we survived. Very few were really upset about that. The argument was that Brooks was let go to clear the way and “to see what we had” and it turned out to be not so much.
Replacing them will be far easier than replacing Brooks.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 15, 2011 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Then Black is already replaced...
by 2 platooning players. Good enough for now and maybe one will step up. Let’s get to work on finding a very good MLB, and let Ruud “test the waters” of free agency.
I do think Paul Posluzsny, Rocky McIntosh, Stephen Tulloch or David Harris could more than take his place. It’s all up to Ruud and his agent.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 15, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
Well so much for David Harris...
as the NYJ just slapped the “Franchise Tag” on him.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 15, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
Hm..
I think Posluzsny (maybe im wrong of course) has a knee issue that bothered him in Buffalo. Now McIntosh would be great but I don’t know systematically
by Titankillah on Feb 16, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
There is a game that goes on inside the game
those who know and understand the game of football, or have played the game on any level knows what I am talking about, most of the time when you watch a big run happen when some ones goes untouch the defense was not aligned correctly, there is much more that goes on with this too all that shit that happens before the ball is snapped mostly has to do with Barrett Ruud
by keysersoze19 on Feb 16, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed...
but his inability, or unwillingness, to hit someone straight on (like when he was steamrolled by Chris Ivory) makes him a liability in the run game.
I don’t care if he stays or not because of this. He can be adequately replaced.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 16, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
i mean if he leaves it probly wont affect our win/loss next year anyways, hes average and he can be replaced
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 16, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
His run stuffing can easily be upgraded...
but to play his position well requires some intellect.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 16, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
My thing is
I don’t think he does a good job at Quarterbacking our defense, I really don’t see a whole lot of shifting, hand signals, him calling players up or sending players over, that will help out a young defense a lot and put us in better position to makes plays on the ball, that is what we no that is what Rah wants out of his defense
by keysersoze19 on Feb 16, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Again: you don't know the original call nor what he changed it to
Yes, when a big play happens usually someone is wrong. But that doesn’t mean Ruud screwed up, it could just as easily mean that someone missed on his assignment, or the play design was simply unsound. Seeing a big play (which, by the way, didn’t really happen often) and then simply saying it’s Ruud’s fault is nonsensical. Besides that, it’s also a form of confirmation bias: you’re going to see every time something bad happens, but you’re not going to see when Ruud changed something and it was perfect, because then nothing remarkable happens.
u don't
i do, A QB goes to the line and point out a blitz or maybe just switch the play or something (which is a visible to the human eye) if the defense stays the same that means someone did not do their job, thats all about being instinctive and knowing your opponent, before the ball was snap I always use to see Brooks making adjustments, not so much with Ruud
by keysersoze19 on Feb 16, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Having two crappy DE's will do that
IF a RB gets the edge, LB’s suddenly become less effective… And when Price and Gmac were together they didn’t give up big “up-the gut” plays. With additional passrush and seals, we can get this defense up and running with Ruud.
IF YOU KNOW the plays and such, then go teach ruud on how to read momentum. Often after a deep run gash, he’ll line up the defense the same way. If the opponent makes a run, you best believe they’re going back to it and you better stack the box and align tighting to the line of scrimmage
by Titankillah on Feb 16, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
I am not saying
that the play calling has overrules a lack of talent, but when you see an offense making changes on the field and the defense stays in its same front or the play caller on defense is not giving no signal then there is a problem.
by keysersoze19 on Feb 17, 2011 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
Nonsense
First, there are a ton of dummy calls made at the line. Second, not every playcall change demands a defensive change. Third, it’s not always possible to audible into the appropriate play.
I’m going to trust the coaches judgement that he does a good job over yours. Because the coaches actually know what’s happening. Unlike you.
What coaches
have said he’s done a good job at this
by keysersoze19 on Feb 17, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
When was the last time...
a coach really trashed one of his players openly? Especially if we don’t have anyone yet to replace him. It just doesn’t happen.
It will be said silently by how hard we attempt to re-sign him.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 17, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Players don't get trashed publicly
But they don’t get praised for things they do poorly either. Certainly not when it’s done this consistently.
I’ve never heard any analyst or coach even suggest that Ruud isn’t doing a good job with his audibles.
Probably BECAUSE he avoids...
making a big hit.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 17, 2011 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
Or...
it could mean the QB was fooled into thinking someone is blitzing when they aren’t, changed his protection, and the defense is just waiting for the snap to eat the QB, as their protection is now wrong.
It can mean a lot of things, and since you don’t know what the calls are, it probably means that you have no actual clue what you’re talking about.
-C
It’s rough to sit through these games and not have someone that can’t hit a Ball?
When you see
guys out of position, or not even in position to make a play on the ball, who does that fall back on, when Brooks was lining u everything I can’t remember seeing guys out of position
by keysersoze19 on Feb 18, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
so by that rationale....
it was Ruud’s fault everytime Sabby blew his assignment?
And anyway, you’re ignoring C’s point, which was that a defense doesn’t necessarily have to shift every time an offense does. In fact sometimes an offense shifts hoping that the defense shifts as well, thus exposing their scheme. In those situations it would be beneficial to NOT shift when the offense shifts.
If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
Sabby was not good at an important S skill
and that was playing the angles, and who cares if someone shifts and another doesn’t it’s all about being in position, thats what I am talking about, we are not consistently in position to make the game changing plays that we want to, when Brooks was calling the defense we were always in great position.
by keysersoze19 on Feb 19, 2011 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
"Who cares?"
You do, according to your previous comments. Do multiple people use your account or something?
If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
by Kilgore on Feb 19, 2011 6:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The who cares refers to
if a offense shifts just to make a defense shift, I really don’t care if the bluff is called or not, it is all about being in position, that comes with preparation and knowing your opponent
by keysersoze19 on Feb 19, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
True...
but getting run over is. I kinda hope he leaves… but we could do worse.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 18, 2011 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Rah loves Kyle Moore
he will start next year, Ronde played like 1 of the best corners in the league after most of Buc nation said he should not be playing anymore a year ago, the 9 guys will start next year there is no doubt about that, we are closing the door on this rebuilding process, the moves some of you talk about making and not making will just mean that we are taking some steps back instead of moving forward
Rah may love Kyle Moore, but Kyle Moore is still the worst defensive end on the roster
And it really isn’t close. He will have to improve a lot to get a roster spot next year, let alone a starting spot. He was decent against the run but he was absolutely useless against the pass.
Ronde did not play like 1 of the best corners in the league, unless you think a top 25 corner qualifies as that. Ronde was decent on the outside, but his value really was in nickel situations where he moved inside over tight ends and slot receivers. That’s where he was at his best, and it wouldn’t surprise to see him move their exclusively.
How you can say at this point that these 9 guys will start without a doubt is beyond me. Two of them aren’t even under contract.
kyle moore might be liked but hes still pretty bad, yeah
by Carlitin1988 on Feb 15, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
There is no way ALL 9 of those guys start in 2011...
as a couple may choose, on their own, to leave. Miller has clearly regressed, and hopefully we can find a new S to put either Jones or Grimm on the bench. If Rah likes Kyle Moore so much, he can adopt him after he gets cut.
McCoy, Hayes and Talib are the only “guaranteed” starters on the list. The rest are just the wild, lightning-rod opinions of Keyser…
by Cracker Ball on Feb 15, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think white’s gone, Moore’s gone, Ruud doesn’t sign, and Josh Johnson gets tendered by SF and leads them to superbowl : )
by Titankillah on Feb 16, 2011 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Josh Johnson?
People stop this dance, Say damn this persons fascinatin'
We blowin' dro up in the air, You smell it?
That's the fragrance, I got the focus, got the heart
And I got the patience
Boo this article
Ruud is that guy if the D line would step it up a little then Ruud would not be the one to blame I remember a few big hits last year where he had forced fumbles so get rid of Ruud a good MLB this is Tampa’s problem when there players get in there prime they get rid of them then they go to a new team and stand out Ruud is in his prime and will get better with more playing time and money. I think Tampa should keep him WHY
1. You are afraid of paying out to much for a MLB ok so you get rid of him and end up paying big money for another MLB
2. If you get another MLB then this season you will be working out kinks again this year with a new MLB to get to the level Ruud is at as well as being inconsistant throughout the season again.
3. He stood out on the Defense with with the salary he was given and he was asking for more money give it to him Tampa.
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