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Need an experienced back-up QB. What about a Matt Leinart or Sage Rosenfels coming to Tampa?


It appears he is on his way out of Phoenix, so why not sign a veteran like Matt Leinart  or Sage Rosenfels to back-up Freeman? I have not heard any specifics regarding what it would take to get him away from ARI, but he might be worth considering if the price was reasonable. JJ will probably never amount to much as a QB, so it might be a wise insurance policy to have a legitimate QB here as #2.

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Do the Bucs really need a veteran presence as back-up? Should we just go with what we have and hope for the best. The Josh Freeman thumb injury was minor, but it does illustrate how quickly a season can unravel.
We should add a legitimate veteran as the back-up QB
17 votes
We should specifically add Matt Leinart if the price is right.
4 votes
We should keep JJ as the back-up and address other issues.
42 votes
We should inquire about possibly adding Sage Rosenfels.
6 votes

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Leinart comes with a big price tag

I doubt Arizona cuts him so it would require a trade. Maybe a straight up Rudy Carpenter trade. I wouldn’t say Leinart is experienced either. There have been rumors about his ability and understanding in and of the offensive system in Arizona. Maybe we wait and see who gets cut…. ESPN was asked the same question by bloggers and Yasinkas said New Orleans may only carry 2 QB and cut Patrick Ramsey. Now there is a journeyman with a lot of bag packing experience.

by buccer on Sep 1, 2010 6:15 PM EDT reply actions  

The word in AZ

Is that Lienart and Wisenhunt dont get along, Matt is on his way out. Lienart hasnt accomplished anything worth wild and hasn’t looked good filling in for Warner last couple years. He is probably no better than JJ at this point and I dont see him being anything more than a backup. Personally I would rather keep JJ than mess with Lienart, but maybe I have a biased opinion as I have no love for the guy.

"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important -like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by BucfaninAZ on Sep 1, 2010 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Leinart couldn't get it done with arguably one of the best recieving corps on the planet,

and what makes you think he could do it here?

So you can keep knocking but won't knock me down
No love lost, no love found

by 4QB on Sep 1, 2010 6:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Sounds good on paper but

Leinart isn’t known to be the kind of locker room guy you want around. I foresee a “Jeff Garcia syndrome” of not being able to cope with being the backup. He’s already pouting about Derek Anderson starting the last 2 preseason games. He will be doing the exact same thing if he lands here. Sure he was the back-up for Kurt Warner for 2 years and he kept quiet. But that was for an old QB who everyone knew wouldn’t be around too much longer. Now if he became a back-up for a young developing QB such as Freeman, my belief is that he wouldn’t be able to cope with being a career back-up.

"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four."
-Dan Birdwell

by TheOneInRed on Sep 1, 2010 6:43 PM EDT reply actions  

He reall isn't that good.

I’ve never been impressed with JJ, but Leinart always just seemed lazy. I do think we need a veteran backup. I say wait and see who is available next week.

by Pirate25 on Sep 1, 2010 7:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd like a veteran QB

Though I’ve warmed to Johnson over the past weeks.

However, Leinart would cost a lot of salary and more disturbingly: draft picks. Unless we can trade Clayton for him, he’s not worth that.

by Sander on Sep 1, 2010 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

No way I would give up draft picks for Leinart

He’s scheduled to make like 2.8M this year and over 7M next year. He has already shown that he wants to be a starter and that won’t happen here. Too much for a sulking back-up.

by buccer on Sep 1, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, you mean this post isn't a joke?

I thought for sure it was after reading the title…

“Need a large ferocious mammal. What about a penguin?”

If you will it, dude, it is no dream.

by Kilgore on Sep 1, 2010 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I still think we need an experienced back-up...

and Leinart is still a young man and could turn it around with the proper coaching. Also like Sage Rosenfels in MIN and he sits there as a 3rd stringer. I saw him play a couple of years back in HOU as the Texans beat up on us. He played very well in that game, and if not for the emergence of QB Matt Schaub, Rosenfels would probably be the starter there today.

by Cracker Ball on Sep 2, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rosenfels I can see...

But Leinert is being benched for a lack of poise. Even with the best wiseout in the league available to him he’s not trusted to stay in the pocket and pull the trigger. I just don’t see how he’s the guy that would provide any type of “veteran” presence or support from the bench.

If we’d kept Leftwich… okay. If we went after someone with more experience, i would understand. Leinert I don’t understand.

Also, I like JJ. Even if he doesn’t stand in the pocket and manage the game well, I kind of pull for the guy.

If you will it, dude, it is no dream.

by Kilgore on Sep 2, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

*Correction*

I meant best wideout in the league, not wiseout. Not sure who the best wiseout is…

If you will it, dude, it is no dream.

by Kilgore on Sep 2, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wideout or wiseout

Doesn’t matter eventually they all turn into wiseouts.

by buccer on Sep 2, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

A resounding NO from me.

Leinart is a bum. He might emerge and redeem himself, somewhere. But hopefully not in Tampa Bay. Let the Bills have him. I don’t want the QB controversy. This guy can’t beat out Derek Anderson, who hasnt shown much himself in the preseason. Hell Josh Johnson has had a better preseason than Lineart. Like I said before, I’m all for bringing in guys who help the team. I just dont see how Lineart does that. I’d take Jevan Snead over Lineart at this point… and i hate Snead.

by Joe Grizzly on Sep 2, 2010 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Leinart does seem to have the "I won a Heisman so I'm automatically the starter" attitude

and being sent off to another team may be just what he needs. A good reality check with an attitude adjustment. He has the physical tools and successfully ran a pro-style offense at USC, so all the tools are there. Fresh start wouldn’t hurt him.

by Cracker Ball on Sep 2, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

you may very well be right.

and if I were Leinart’s childhood friend or family member I might care about all of that. but even though the fresh start wouldn’t hurt him, it could easily hurt the team that gave him said fresh start. i fail to see how he is an upgrade for us at this point. I’d take garcia over leinart…

If you will it, dude, it is no dream.

by Kilgore on Sep 2, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would also take Garcia over Leinart...

or JJ, Carpenter or Snead for that matter. Not sure if that’s even very realistic given past circumstances.

by Cracker Ball on Sep 2, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

I do agree Rosenfels is pretty good for a backup though.

So you can keep knocking but won't knock me down
No love lost, no love found

by 4QB on Sep 2, 2010 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rosenfels is not getting out of minnesota

With Achey breaky Farve and T. Jackson Rosenfels is a too valuable 3rd. Seriously look for Ramsey on the waiver wire saturday.

by buccer on Sep 2, 2010 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope we take a good look at any useful veteran back-up...

as we know that JJ cannot win. Carpenter looked pretty good against HOU, but still inexperienced.

by Cracker Ball on Sep 3, 2010 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I totally agree....

The saying goes, “A team is only as good as it’s backup QB!”
After watching JJ’s QB skills a few games last season and during some of these preseason games, It doesn’t look very good for the BUCs…… I was more impressed with Carpenter that one game than I was any of JJ’s games But that was just 1 game……

Rosenfels would be a good backup in Tampa but very unlikely……. Matt Leinart just has far to many issues…… Personally I think Chad Pennington would be a good Backup if the Dolphins decide to move on from him. That is just my opinion!

"In life, you'll have your back up against the wall many times. You might as well get used to It." - Coach Paul 'Bear' Bryant

by Tye on Sep 3, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pennington is a good QB

but I don’t believe he would fit in the scheme. Ours is more of a deep ball system. Olsen would have to stick with all his west coast passes

"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four."
-Dan Birdwell

by TheOneInRed on Sep 3, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sage Rosenfels is now a NY Giant...

and they got him for a 2011 5th round pick and a conditional 2012 pick, depending on how much he plays. So we could have had him for a crummy 5th rounder.

by Cracker Ball on Sep 3, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Freeman were to get hurt...

that 5th rounder could salvage our season. If we can take a marginal punter with a 5th round pick, we could certainly justify a productive experienced QB. We actually have an extra one, thanks to the late round horse-trading in last years draft.

by Cracker Ball on Sep 4, 2010 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

The punter was taken with a 6th rounder

I don’t think Sage could salvage any season. He’d be better than Josh Johnson, yes. I don’t think he’d be a significant enough improvement to give up a 5th rounder + a 2012 conditional.

Backup QBs in general get traded for 7th-round picks, not 5th-rounders.

by Sander on Sep 4, 2010 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I find it hard to believe Minn going into the season with 2 QB

Maybe they should look at leinart as a 3rd. He certainly can’t say he’s outplayed either QB in front of him.

by buccer on Sep 4, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quality back ups do not get traded for 7th round picks

Just because we gave Lefty away for a 7th doesnt mean thats normal. Whitehurst and Rosenfels both went higher than sixth. I am pretty sure if you looked at trade history for Quarterbacks that went into 2nd string situations that the average would be higher than a 7th rounder

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Sep 8, 2010 9:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

PIT made the trade for Leftwich...

because of his specific value to them. Just a stop gap while Big Ben serves his suspension. He has knowledge of their system and most of their personnel. We probably would not have been able to trade him to anyone other than PIT.

Something is better than nothing…

by Cracker Ball on Sep 8, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whitehurst isn't seen as a backup, but as a future starter

Or at least that’s how they saw it when they traded for him. Rosenfels is a backup, but he’s a very high quality backup – probably the top backup in the league. Meanwhile, decent backups get traded for seventh rounders or simply released and signed elsewhere all the time.

Leftwich got traded for a seventh rounder, while the Steelers wanted to start him.

by Sander on Sep 8, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Leftwich was most likely to be cut, so they got something for nothing.

If an optimist had his left arm chewed off by an alligator, he might say in a pleasant and hopeful voice, "Well this isn't to bad, I don't have a left arm anymore but at least nobody will ever ask me if I'm left-handed or right-handed" but most of us would say something more along the lines of "Aaaaaa! My arm! My arm!" DANIEL HANDLER (as Lemony Snicket)

by bucnut1 on Sep 8, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah seattle expects whitehurst to take over either this year or next

We’d get so many kids off every game it was great.

Hey, Surly only looks out for one guy...Surly!
by Andy Hellicksonstine

by putupyourDUKES on Sep 8, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Top back up in the league?

He wasnt even the top back up on the Vikings last year.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Sep 9, 2010 12:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Vikings seem sold on Tavaris Jackson...

and his athleticism, but Rosenfels would be a better QB. He just tore us flat up back in ’07 Week 14 vs. HOU. I was actually at that game, and I thought he was something special then – just stuck behind Schaub.

by Cracker Ball on Sep 9, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree wholeheartedly

Rosenfels is a very capable back up, but he has had plenty of chances to move up depth charts. The point is that a good 2nd string Qb is worth more than a 7th rounder in my opinion. We got a conditional pick for McCown. It ended up being a 7th because he didnt play, but it could have been as high as 5th. McCown is a lower tier back up in my opinion

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Sep 9, 2010 1:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think that's more a result of the Vikings wanting Tarvaris to be a long-term answer

And for a significant part of the offseason last year it looked like they were going to have Tarvaris starting with Rosenfels backing up.

But I don’t think there are a lot of teams with a backup better than Sage Rosenfels. I at least can’t think of many.

by Sander on Sep 9, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kitna, Vick, Collins, Volek, Bulger, and Grossman

are all just as capable as Rosenfels in my opinion. There is a pretty big drop off after those guys. Some might argue that Brady Quinn should be in there but I wouldnt be one of them

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Sep 9, 2010 1:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I can see that list, sure

That puts Rosenfels in the top 7 backups in the league. Still very high end.

by Sander on Sep 9, 2010 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

We also could of had Bulger here...

as a solid back-up. He was out there for a long time before signing with BAL.

by Cracker Ball on Sep 9, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only problem is

Leinart or Rosenfels wouldn’t be a backup in Tampa. Either would be better that Freeman.

This is OUR year!! Yea, I said it. Who Dat!!!

by Big and Easy on Sep 3, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

look at this troll

We’d get so many kids off every game it was great.

Hey, Surly only looks out for one guy...Surly!
by Andy Hellicksonstine

by putupyourDUKES on Sep 4, 2010 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a dumb post, JJ is better then any vet we could get.

We’d get so many kids off every game it was great.

Hey, Surly only looks out for one guy...Surly!
by Andy Hellicksonstine

by putupyourDUKES on Sep 4, 2010 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I would take JJ over Leinart

any day, JJ has even looked better than him this pre season

by keysersoze19 on Sep 5, 2010 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Josh Johnson was drafted by our team and by most counts he fits in well as teammate and player

he’s obviously not the franchise QB and he’s obviously not the best-possible back-up choice one would like for a team. But Josh has some talent, it looks this preseason he’s improved his skills over his poor performance last season, and above all he’s been with the team: he knows the guys and they know him. And for all I’ve heard, JJ is NOT poison in the locker room, which is the best possible thing you’d want in a back-up. Bringing in Leinart – who’s gonna want to prove he’s still First Round value, who’s gonna rattle the lockers and make whiny noises about how much better he’ll be than Freeman – falls under the category of BAD IDEA.
As for the other options, say Rosenfels, the other big problem with bringing in a QB is considering if he can plug in right away into the Bucs’ offensive system. It does take time, even for veterans, to get used to the playcalls, how the WRs run their routes, and how the O-line stacks up.
Try to look at it this way, guys: Josh Johnson IS a veteran of sorts. He’s been in the league a year longer than Freeman. So There. >:-)

Witty's 2010 Draft review is full of meaty goodness. What you mean, you're vegan?! Sigh. Just read it.

by witty on Sep 6, 2010 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Having a true veteran back-up QB

is more than just having an experienced player to come in and play. It is also like having another coach on the field. JJ can only teach Freeman how to panic, throw untimely INTs and stall drives.

by Cracker Ball on Sep 6, 2010 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

this is a very ignorant statement. Most vet backups want to play, not coach. Every interview with players, the first thing they say is that you need to get rid of the old guys if you are building young.

There is a reason you have a QB coach, you want them coaching not taking snaps.

We’d get so many kids off every game it was great.

Hey, Surly only looks out for one guy...Surly!
by Andy Hellicksonstine

by putupyourDUKES on Sep 6, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duh... words are hard.

You’re absolutely right! The last thing you would ever want for a young QB is to have an experienced veteran QB to sit next to, break down film with, share learned experiences over many playing years, not to mention give you a legitimate chance at winning should something happen to your starter. This should have happened during the off-season – preferably last year, and I don’t mean with sucky Leftwich. You don’t know what most vet back-ups want to do. I’m sure many would realize their place and just want to contribute. It all pays the same. We recently dodged a bullet with Freemans thumb – this time. There is a valuable lesson in there however.

Our current coaching staff is a mirror of our HC – second tier guys trying to break in, pad their resumes and probably don’t really have any better options. No Dan Henning on our staff. Keep taking your young and “filled with potential” instead of choosing a proven NFL veteran, especially a position as important as QB.

Let’s just stay 3-13 forever.

by Cracker Ball on Sep 6, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

no thanks, I don't want some vet QB breathing down his neck, badgering the coach for starts, and putting down the young guy's egos

it’s like you have no idea what goes on in a locker room.

We’d get so many kids off every game it was great.

Hey, Surly only looks out for one guy...Surly!
by Andy Hellicksonstine

by putupyourDUKES on Sep 6, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

there's a reason the pats cut ties with any and all vet QB's once they realized what brady was

We’d get so many kids off every game it was great.

Hey, Surly only looks out for one guy...Surly!
by Andy Hellicksonstine

by putupyourDUKES on Sep 6, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe not everyone is a whiney b*tch...

especially a veteran player. If we had Brady, I would also suggest cutting ties, but we don’t.

by Cracker Ball on Sep 6, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

so what team did you play for?

If you will it, dude, it is no dream.

by Kilgore on Sep 7, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

all of them

Btw I am going off of interviews with players. Sapp specifically said the best thing for the 97 bucs was getting rid of the vets.

We’d get so many kids off every game it was great.

Hey, Surly only looks out for one guy...Surly!
by Andy Hellicksonstine

by putupyourDUKES on Sep 7, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll take his word on that.

We’d get so many kids off every game it was great.

Hey, Surly only looks out for one guy...Surly!
by Andy Hellicksonstine

by putupyourDUKES on Sep 7, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

and then later we went on to win a superbowl with...

wait for it….

Brad Johnson
Kennan McCardel
Keyshawn
Joe Jurevicious
Michael Pittman
Ken Dilger
Greg Spires

I’m sure Sapp was speaking directly about the defense.

If you will it, dude, it is no dream.

by Kilgore on Sep 7, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think this depends a lot on the QB behind him

Someone like Garcia would be terrible. But some career backups (like Billy Volek) likely won’t present this problem.

by Sander on Sep 6, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

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