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A Look at a Buccaneers Mount Rushmore

 

Yahoo Sports is currently running a feature with the teams of the National Hockey League, highlighting the faces of each franchise that would earn them spots on a theoretical Mount Rushmore. I thought it would be fun to create one for the Buccaneers, with the assumption it will spark interesting debate.

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Lee Roy Selmon: The first draft choice ever made by the Buccaneers, the former Oklahoma sooner devastated opposing offensive lines for the 9 professional seasons he played in Tampa. He was absolutely crucial for the Buccaneers revival in the late 70’s and early 80’s, culminating in their appearance in the 1979 NFC Championship Game. He was vital to turning a losing culture around, albeit for a short period of time. His Hall of Fame induction in 1995 is a testament to how great of a player he really was.

 

Malcolm Glazer: The owner of the team since 1995, Mr. Glazer revitalized the entire franchise. He immediately dedicated himself and his resources into modernizing the team off the field and making them competitive on it. Although he has come under fire recently, the bottom line is that he oversaw the revival of a franchise that was completely dead and helped the club become perennial playoff contenders for the better part of the decade. He upgraded and updated every aspect of the franchise, creating a winning culture that had not existed prior to his arrival.

 

Warren Sapp: In his prime, he was one of the most dominant defensive-lineman in league history. Like Selmon, Sapp made life a living hell for offensive lineman (usually not in the Chad Clifton sense), and loved getting under the opposition’s skin. His 98.5 sacks rank second all time among defensive tackles, and is one of the most adored Buccaneers of all time. 

 

Derrick Brooks: The definition of an outside Cover-2 linebacker. Fast, explosive, with unparalleled instincts, Brooks was key to the Buccaneers hoisting the Lombardi Trophy. Again, he is considered one of the best players of all time at his position. All of the accolades aside (and he has many), he was and continues to be an exceptional citizen off the field, with his ongoing charity efforts. Derrick Brooks is a consummate professional, and I feel honored and proud to be a Buccaneers fan because he wore that uniform.

 

I know I could have limited this to players, but the role Malcolm Glazer played in the advancement of this franchise cannot be understated. I feel these would be the four faces that make up a Buccaneers Mount Rushmore. Let the debate begin!

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My Rushmore:

McKay, Selmon, Brooks, Alstott. I know Alstott was mostly just a mascot during Gruden’s tenure, but I just associate him with the turnaround of the team and the success of the late 90s. I would say Dungy, but I think the fact he won a super bowl in Indy would make it weird for him to be on there.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Aug 7, 2010 10:24 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

No problem at all with you having Mike Alstott on there Caz....

His contributions are sometimes downplayed, just because he was a fan favorite. But when you look at his numbers relative to the franchise all-time, he is arguably one of our best offensive players. 71 TD’s- 58 of them on the ground. 305 receptions-(3rd all time) 5,000 + rushing yard- (2nd all time, and about 900 yards off the leader) This guy surely could be put on there with that kind of resume. Plus he contributed with a TD in the SuperBowl win.

by Joe Grizzly on Aug 7, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Gruden should be on there

and I definitely dont think they should all come from the same era. Lots of history being ignored with that line up.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Aug 7, 2010 10:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Gruden got us our first Superbowl ring

I know it was Dungy team, but that team could not have won the Superbowl in 02 with Dungy or even Steve Mariucci. Gruden came in and in 1 year had the offense ready for a SuperBowl run. We played Philly in the regular season that year, and like always we lost. Gruden told the team I got them, I know their blitzing schemes and we will get them next time. Well you know what next time came up in the NFC playoffs and we tamed our nemesis in Philly. We will probably be still in search of our 1st ring if it was not for Gruden.

by keysersoze19 on Aug 7, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we are limited to 4 like on Mt. Rushmore...

then I would have to say Selmon, McKay, Sapp and Brooks. I hated to omit Jon Gruden, because I am such a fan. He was shown very little respect in his dismissal, especially after what he had given us. Should still be the HC with a new GM (to replace Bruce Allen) but I am not in charge.

by Cracker Ball on Aug 7, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gruden will coach somewhere else once we quit paying him

I dont want a guy on our monument that could very well be coaching another team in the plsyoffs.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Aug 7, 2010 11:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I.....really can't argue with any of these choices.

Cannons... fire them.

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by Craig T on Aug 7, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Glazer?

I’m not going to argue with Sapp, Brooks and LeeRoy. But McKay over Glazer any day of the week. Kiffen’s an interesting thought. But Glazer? I don’t think so.

And Keyser – you’re pretty young if you don’t have LeeRoy on your list…

by CelticPride on Aug 7, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I never saw him play

I have done history reports on him but I don’t know to much about him, only thing I know about him was that he was great, but I don’t know if he was greater than Sapp or Brooks.

by keysersoze19 on Aug 7, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

He was a man playing with boys

and a very nice, polite person. I love it when famous people don’t act like dickweeds.

by Cracker Ball on Aug 7, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can't really say that about Sapp

"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four."
-Dan Birdwell

by TheOneInRed on Aug 7, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tough question.

McKay meant a lot historically, the Glazers brought us into modern relevance. Obviously Selmon is on there, no question Brooks makes it. Dungy is a great man and good coach, but I can’t put him up there. As much as I appreciate what Sapp did, I may go with Kiffin over the other coaches. He was the architect of a defense that dominated the league and inspired a ton of copycats. I’d argue he did more for Tampa than Dungy or Gruden.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Aug 7, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Sapp, Brooks, Kiffen, Selmon

"I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault." ~ Jack Tatum

by MNeilson on Aug 7, 2010 11:29 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

this

If you will it, dude, it is no dream.

by Kilgore on Aug 7, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I can makea few different versions of this Tampa Bay Mount Rushmore

Screw it, due to advances in modern technology I’m addin an additional head to our Mt. Rushmore

Selmon, Barber, Sapp, Brooks, Mark Carrier

Sapp, Rice, Brooks, Lynch, Alstott

Selmon, Sapp, Wilder, Dungy( or Gruden), Brooks

by Joe Grizzly on Aug 7, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I put Simeon on there cause of his production on defense

He gets overlooked to what he brought to the table coming off the edge. He benefited playing with Sapp but the inverse is true also. 69.5 sacks in his tenure with the Bucs has him 3rd alltime in sacks. Plus he had a boatload of forced fumbles and some picks to boot.

by Joe Grizzly on Aug 7, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rice did a lot, that's true

But I don’t think he had the impact, both on the field and off the field, that the others on that list did. There’s a lot more people I’d rather include than Rice too, like John McKay or Paul Gruber.

by Sander on Aug 7, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

We don't win the Super Bowl if we don't get Keyshawn Johnson, but it would be so hard to put him up there.

"Training camp is a little different. To me, that's when you establish the men. You take off your underwear." Raheem Morris

by bucnut1 on Aug 7, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about James Wilder?

The guy WAS the offense for several years, and had that monster of a season. Sadly, it was the same season Eric Dickerson was all universe, and Wilders accomplishments were completely overshadowed. Pity, because if he played on a better team, he would have been given the respect that he deserved.

by Cracker Ball on Aug 7, 2010 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great idea Ryan.

But it really is hard to come up with only 4… Selmon, Sapp, Brooks, Glazer. Some people don’t agree with having Malcolm on there but you have to look at the fact that without him Dungy would have never of been hired. And without Dungy on the Bucs that means Sapp and Brooks would never have been drafted. And that would also mean no “tampa 2”. It could have been the “miami 2”

"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four."
-Dan Birdwell

by TheOneInRed on Aug 7, 2010 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Then who did?

Am i having a brain fart?

"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four."
-Dan Birdwell

by TheOneInRed on Aug 8, 2010 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Should put Wyche up there because he started to build "Dungy's" team.

"Training camp is a little different. To me, that's when you establish the men. You take off your underwear." Raheem Morris

by bucnut1 on Aug 8, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

A good players coach that knew his stuff...

and won’t ever fully get the credit he deserves. He got the ball rolling…

by Cracker Ball on Aug 8, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

He never will.

Most probably don’t even know who he is because they weren’t fans until after the color changes and winning. Wyche did a great job and would have done way better if he didn’t have to deal with Culverhouse. People were amazed we got Hardy Nickerson and unfortunately, Alvin Harper in here.

"Training camp is a little different. To me, that's when you establish the men. You take off your underwear." Raheem Morris

by bucnut1 on Aug 9, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're right.

What i get for writing at 1 in the morn lol. But let me rephrase it then, Dungy helped mold Sapp and Brooks have great careers and owe some of their success to him.

"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four."
-Dan Birdwell

by TheOneInRed on Aug 8, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dungy was definitely a factor in their success...

but Sam Wyche found them and Monte Kiffin made them stars. Dungy was certainly smart enough to entrust the DEF to Kiffin and is a great coach. Just made his mark somewhere else. All four men (Wyche, Dungy, Kiffin and Gruden) were necessary to get us to the Superbowl, and we may have never made it without any one of them.

by Cracker Ball on Aug 8, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

This may be the smartest post I've read regarding Bucs in '02

I agree. Wyche, Dungy, Kiffin and Gruden (and Rich McKay)

Go Magic/Bucs/Gators/Rays!

by chiefs_55 on Aug 8, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

no love for ronde?

he was robin to Brooks batman and has amazing stats for CB and has made some historic plays i would put him up there before glazer

by ShiftyShayne on Aug 7, 2010 2:41 PM EDT reply actions  

If you only get to pick 4

it makes it tough to put Ronde in there. If you get to pick 8, he is in.

"I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault." ~ Jack Tatum

by MNeilson on Aug 7, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trent Dilfer? Shaun King?

lol… but I would go with Selmon, Sapp, Brooks, and Alstott

"Hard work beats talent, when talent doesn't work hard"

by Alstott40 on Aug 7, 2010 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Sabby, Dilfer, Kenyatta Walker, Clayton

"I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault." ~ Jack Tatum

by MNeilson on Aug 7, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Charles McCrae

"Training camp is a little different. To me, that's when you establish the men. You take off your underwear." Raheem Morris

by bucnut1 on Aug 8, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Chris Simm's spleen stands alone....like the Lincoln Memorial.

"I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault." ~ Jack Tatum

by MNeilson on Aug 7, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

Go Magic/Bucs/Gators/Rays!

by chiefs_55 on Aug 8, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully in about 15 years we can say:

Freeman, Williams, McCoy, Talib.

"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four."
-Dan Birdwell

by TheOneInRed on Aug 8, 2010 1:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Overly hopeful.

"I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault." ~ Jack Tatum

by MNeilson on Aug 8, 2010 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was sorta of a joke

"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four."
-Dan Birdwell

by TheOneInRed on Aug 8, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought we changed it to Bucs Nation to get rid of any humor.

"I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault." ~ Jack Tatum

by MNeilson on Aug 8, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

My Rushmore

There are four great leaders and contributors honored on Mount Rushmore. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln. As such, I feel our Bucs Rushmore should include people who transcended parallel contributions to the Buccaneers.

George Washington was our first leader. Like Washington, this man lead a group of men into battle and despite all the struggles and adversity that come with change he came out on top. His 1979 Central title compares to Washington’s famous crossing of the Delaware. Our first head on Bucs Rushmore is John McKay.

Thomas Jefferson is known for his many contributions in the creation of our great country. Similar to Jefferson, this man was there from the beginning. His hard work and dedication led to the formation of a union that came together, united in one cause. The second head on Bucs Rushmore is Lee Roy Selmon.

Abraham Lincoln saw a country in need of a change, he made radical and unpopular moves to better our country forever. Like Lincoln, this man came into Tampa and changed the culture of our team. His changes marked a new beginning for the Bucs and led to over a decade of dominance. Because of him our team will always be associated with the phrase “Tampa Two”. The third head on Bucs Rushmore is Monte Kiffin.

Theodore Roosevelt first became president after the assassination of William MicKinley. Much like football, when someone goes down the next guy fills in. As such he was the youngest president to ever take office, similar to the young age this man became a starter. Roosevelt’s contributions to the completion of the Panama Canal similates to this man’s efforts toward the Bucs 2002 Lombardi Trophy. Both being the greatest achievement of that year, respectively. Roosevelt had a famous mantra “Speak softly and carry a big stick”. This man embodies that mantra in everything he does. Our fourth and final head on Bucs Rushmore is Derrick Brooks.

by LA_BUCSFAN on Aug 8, 2010 2:24 AM EDT reply actions  

I feel like I'm in elementary school again after reading that.

If by some crazy, bizarro-world-type chance we ever do make a Bucs Rushmore, I hope we have the good taste not to do so on sacred Indian ground.

If you will it, dude, it is no dream.

by Kilgore on Aug 8, 2010 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wasnt the whole state of Florida sacred Indian ground?

I bet they wish they could trade those beads back in. All kidding aside, the story of how and why Mount Rushmore was built is pretty fascinating.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Aug 8, 2010 3:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Trade their beads? You must be thinking of Long Island, NY?

The Native American indigenous to Florida didn’t trade their way out of Florida. President Andrew Jackson ordered that they be physically removed from Florida and sent an army headed by Zachary Taylor to do just that. The descendants of the peoples that managed to escape or elude capture fill the indian reservations you now see. The captured were marched along the “Trail of Tears” and summarily relocated to Oklahoma.

by Cracker Ball on Aug 8, 2010 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know about the trail of tears.

It was a terrible attempt at a joke. I shouldnt comment whilst drinking.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Aug 8, 2010 11:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I didn't mean to sound overly sensitive about it...

I just wasn’t sure how known all of that black mark in our history was told country-wide. I sure didn’t mean to preach. If you have ever been to Oklahoma, you know how sad that really is.

by Cracker Ball on Aug 8, 2010 1:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Keyser, Raheem Morris, Alvin Harper, and Bo Jackson

"Training camp is a little different. To me, that's when you establish the men. You take off your underwear." Raheem Morris

by bucnut1 on Aug 9, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Buccaneers Mount Rushmore

Choosing 4 to be the enduring faces of the franchise is not an easy task. Choosing the first one is a no-brainer. LeeRoy Selmon will forever be the benchmark where others will be measured.
 My second choice has got to be John McKay, the team’s first coach. He was a big part of the birth and development of our beloved orange and white. He approached his role as head coach with a levity that was certainly needed given what he and the team went through those first few years. Coach McKay deserves to be immortalized for where his “5 year plan” took us.
My third and fourth choices are the most difficult. Derrick, Warren, The A-Train, Ronde, even Paul Gruber our iron man on the offensive line, are all worthy. Derrick has to be up there. Along with LeeRoy, Mr. Brooks set the defensive standard. When you think of the best linebackers in NFL history, #55 will be on the list.
After much thought and criticism from others, I felt the need to have a representative of the offense chiseled in stone. Mike Alstott played fullback with a blue collar attitude and an unassuming demeanor, but boy was he a punisher. Count me as one of the thousands of fans who easily identified with him. That is what set him apart from some other players.
There is a common denominator among the players chosen for this honor, they were leaders on and off the field. In my opinion, this was something else to consider.

by fjc on Aug 9, 2010 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

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