Postgame Thread - Jacksonville Jaguars at Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Preseason Week 3
by Sander on Aug 28, 2010 11:10 PM EDT
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PrintThe Bucs get their second loss of the preseason, losing to the Jaguars 19 to 13. The Bucs were without Davin Joseph and Josh Freeman, which probably hurt their offense. Still, the Bucs looked fairly good on both offense and defense, where the defensive line really stepped up and got a lot of pass pressure. Sadly the run defense was still porous and did not look good at all, and that was without Maurice Jones-Drew in the game. Similarly, the passing offense looked good, but the running offense looked really bad.
The Bucs kicked off and immediately allowed a 47-yard return by McGhee. Garrard then proceeded to add a 25-yard completion, but their drive stalled because of a good play by Quincy Black and a penalty on the Jaguars. Getting a field goal, the Bucs then got the ball back and marched down the field to get a field goal themselves. The highlight of the drive was a 53-yard pass to Mike Williams, but the drive stalled after that.
Following that, the Bucs defense got to show off their pass defense, and the Jaguars got to show off their ability to get penalized. After trading a couple of ineffective drives and a brief lightning delay, the Bucs' pass rush stood out but the Jaguars started to march down the field abusing our run defense. The Bucs made a nice goal-line stand, though, where Ruud intercepted a pass on the goalline and returned it all the way to the Jags' 19-yard line. Johnson then capped off a quick set of plays with a touchdown pass to Earnest Graham. The Jaguars then marched down the field again, but a redzone stop left them with only a field goal.
The second half kicked off with a nice drive by the Bucs, including a good couple runs by Derrick Ward, leading to a field goal. After that, though, the second and third teamers started to play, and the Bucs couldn't get anything done. With the exception of a few highlights, including an interception and a nice pass defense in the endzone by Cody Grimm nothing very little seemed to work. The Jaguars unsurprisingly exploited this and got a couple field goals and a very nice TD pass by former Buccaneer Luke McCown.
The Good:
- Derrick Ward stepped up and looked good with his carries, juking out people and doing a lot better than Cadillac was doing.
- Mike Wiliams continued to be stellar.
- A lot of pass pressure from our 4-man rushes.
- Sean Jones looked good at safety
- Some impact plays from the linebacking group, with a goal-line interception returned for 80 yards by Ruud as a highlight.
The Bad:
- Reggie Brown. He got a couple of looks but didn't manage to come down with a ball.
- The running game, Cadillac Williams specifically. We could not get anything going on the ground in the first half.
- Run defense is still bad.
- Sabby Piscitelli, who got a penalty on his only impact play of the evening - on special teams. He did get a good hit later on in the game, though.
- A bunch of whiffed tackles
- Despite pass pressure, still gave up a lot of yardage in the passing game. Mostly underneath throws, though.
- Special teams did not live up to their usual high standard, including Brent Bowden who did not look as good as he did before.
The Ugly:
- Michael Clayton. I don't think he got on the field once. I'd be very surprised if he were on the field come week 1.
- Third string everything looked absolutely terrible.
- Clifton Smith fumbling on his first kickoff return.
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This makes me feel better about Johnson should he need to play in RS
With the playmakers in the receiving positions he just needs to play point guard and get the ball our quickly.
First team defense seemed to be playing a traditional Tampa style giving up the underneath but holding when it counted, and the Jags ran what, 2 run plays in the opening 20 minutes or so?
I hadn’t heard about Davin being held out. Is he nursing something, or was he just being given a rest (or something else)?
And who is this Jake Delhomme in Cleveland? I’m pretty sure that’s not the same guy that left Carolina.
by AcadianTraverse on Aug 28, 2010 11:35 PM EDT reply actions
Subpar QBs often look better than they really are
because they only face vanilla defenses. Delhimme will be back to sucking in no time. I bet we pick him three times in week 1.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
by LeeCaz on Aug 29, 2010 10:17 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Although Garrard was 24/31, he averaged 8.8 yards per completion....
and that was per completion, not attempt. Even if it were yards per attempt, Garrard would’ve only had about 11.4 yards per completion which I still wouldn’t consider impressive. The first string defense did well as far as allowing points. JJ was decent and I feel more comfortable with him as a #2 QB but if he goes down too, the thought of Rudy Carpenter as our starting QB really makes me cringe. I wouldn’t consider our run defense tonight porous since if I remember correctly, we only allowed something like 33 yards on the ground on 11 carries to JAX even though MJD was out. But suspect, yes, I’d still consider our run D somewhat suspect though. I’m only taking this game with a grain of salt because it’s pre-season, we were without 2 key starters on offense, and to me, it seemed like JAX wanted the win.
Where did the 11.4 yards come from?
It was 8.8 per completion and 6.8 per attempt.
It was hypothetical.
I calculated what Garrard’s yards per completion would’ve been if he averaged 8.8 yards per attempt instead of per completion. I’m well aware he averaged 8.8 yards per completion and 6.8 per attempt.
by GameManager on Aug 28, 2010 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I apologize if it seemed confusing.
Still, I’m not too worried about the opposing teams’ starting QB’s completion % though. Matt Cassel completed 73.7% of his passes last week against us but only averaged 8.9 yards per completion and 6.6 yards per attempt. We’re giving them all the underneath stuff.
by GameManager on Aug 29, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone know if Benn and Lewis played?
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by thedudeofdudes on Aug 28, 2010 11:49 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah he looked pretty decent
Didn’t see Benn at all, but he did play. Probably just wasn’t targeted or was on special teams.
Benn dropped a few balls, didn't play well at all.
If an optimist had his left arm chewed off by an alligator, he might say in a pleasant and hopeful voice, "Well this isn't to bad, I don't have a left arm anymore but at least nobody will ever ask me if I'm left-handed or right-handed" but most of us would say something more along the lines of "Aaaaaa! My arm! My arm!" DANIEL HANDLER (as Lemony Snicket)
He did?
I don’t think Benn was even thrown a ball. The NFL Gamebook doesn’t note any passes thrown to him either.
Reggie Brown was the one who dropped a few balls, so maybe you mean him?
There numbers all look the same from the stands, and I haven't watched the replay. So I can only go by what the PA guy says.
If an optimist had his left arm chewed off by an alligator, he might say in a pleasant and hopeful voice, "Well this isn't to bad, I don't have a left arm anymore but at least nobody will ever ask me if I'm left-handed or right-handed" but most of us would say something more along the lines of "Aaaaaa! My arm! My arm!" DANIEL HANDLER (as Lemony Snicket)
Okay
Well the PA guy was wrong, then. I’m positive he wasn’t targeted and Morris said the same thing in his postgame press conference apparently. I am also positive Brown dropped at least 2 balls, one of them in the endzone.
I usually have a radio with me, but I forgot it at home. All these new numbers in the upper teens is just annoying, I wish they'd go back to making them wear 80's again.
If an optimist had his left arm chewed off by an alligator, he might say in a pleasant and hopeful voice, "Well this isn't to bad, I don't have a left arm anymore but at least nobody will ever ask me if I'm left-handed or right-handed" but most of us would say something more along the lines of "Aaaaaa! My arm! My arm!" DANIEL HANDLER (as Lemony Snicket)
Its because it's the preseason.
Numbers are always in a flux during preseason. Once the regular season gets rolling most players will probaly change.
"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four."
-Dan Birdwell
Not since they changed the number rule, WR's have been using the teen numbers and staying with them.
If an optimist had his left arm chewed off by an alligator, he might say in a pleasant and hopeful voice, "Well this isn't to bad, I don't have a left arm anymore but at least nobody will ever ask me if I'm left-handed or right-handed" but most of us would say something more along the lines of "Aaaaaa! My arm! My arm!" DANIEL HANDLER (as Lemony Snicket)
I've been kind of surprised by our returns this preseason.
We have not looked very impressive on punt or kick returns so far.
Im not understanding
What is it with Clifton Smith and putting the ball on the ground. Ive never seen someone fumble so much. You would think its his first action, doesnt have a spot solidified, he would do the obvious thing and be mindful of holding onto the ball. But as soon as he touches it he fumbles it because of lack of focus and trying to do to much. Whats wrong with this guy.
Josh Freeman will be better than Matt Ryan, not so sure about Drew Brees!!
im considering his fumbling problems from last year in this statement.
Josh Freeman will be better than Matt Ryan, not so sure about Drew Brees!!
Well you don't really know why he's fumbling the ball
To say it’s because of lack of focus is a stretch, in my opinion. The lack of any playing or practice time over the past months is probably a bigger issue today. And I’d say him being extremely tiny makes it harder for him to hang onto the ball.
Apparrently he's the same size as Huggins.
Only 8 lbs lighter. Though that doesn’t take in account how they are built.
I can list a slew of undersized backs that never had a problem holding onto the ball.
He can’t use that as an excuse. Tiki Barber had trouble for a long while. Maybe ronde can give him a call and pass along some pointers to Smith.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
by LeeCaz on Aug 29, 2010 10:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mike Hart for Michigan was diminutive
and had some kind of epic streak of not fumbling the football. I think technique, i.e., keeping the ball tucked under your arm in a tight wing and using 2 arms to shield football at contact is key……as is having the wherewithall to remember to do it regularly.
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by Craig T on Aug 29, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can list a slew of undersized backs that never had a problem holding onto the ball.
He can’t use that as an excuse. Tiki Barber had trouble for a long while. Maybe ronde can give him a call and pass along some pointers to Smith.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
by LeeCaz on Aug 29, 2010 10:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sure, and I don't think he'll stay on the roster with these fumbles
And I’m not saying it can’t be fixed. But it’s probably the main cause.
He’d better get it fixed if he wants to stay with the Bucs, though.
D D D DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM
did u see that play when derek cox (21) for the jacksonville jaguars got burnd on that play and he got chought on TV that was “MEAN” hands down wiliams made him look silly, if only he follow his blocker he would of gain longer yards but still i can’t stop rewinding that one play when it looks like (21) doing bear craws chee hehehe thats hella funny man he just made my day…
IF U AIN'T A BUC GET THE BUC OUT OF HERE
by WE GOING TO THE SHIP on Aug 29, 2010 1:14 AM EDT reply actions
What does it mean?
Go Magic/Bucs/Gators/Rays!
by chiefs_55 on Aug 29, 2010 9:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn't blame anything on Caddy,
Our First string O-line was killing the run, Zuttah didn’t help at RG, and I think Caddy did run into the back of Faine once.
So you can keep knocking but won't knock me down
No love lost, no love found
Wow, CLifton fumbled, color me surprised.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
When Niko got that int...
It reminded me how totalitarian and blindly optimistic Buc ’Em once was…
Double Rainbow across the sky!
Go Magic/Bucs/Gators/Rays!
by chiefs_55 on Aug 29, 2010 9:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Heh
Cannons... fire them.
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That's an awful pic of that cheerleader.
Looks like Rene Zellweger got hit in the face with an old asian lady.
If John Jaso somehow strikes out, it means you didn’t do your job right as an umpire.
by raysrule44 on Jul 9, 2010 8:37 PM CDT
.....What?
Cannons... fire them.
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and two bowling balls to the chest
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
by LeeCaz on Aug 29, 2010 10:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree, Sander can you please change this?
So you can keep knocking but won't knock me down
No love lost, no love found
Got to go to the game last night.
Some observations:
McCoy consistently beat his man. I saw him routinely get into the backfield.
They are really rotating the Dline to keep them fresh.
Mike Williams is amazing. The atmosphere turns electric whenever he has the ball. It wasn’t just the lightning.
2nd string defense is absolutely pathetic.
JJ played fairly well, but he didn’t have to deal with much pressure, which is his kryptonite.
Didn’t see Clayton on the field at all and Benn failed to do anything to get his name on the stat sheet.
Looked like Biggers is head and shoulders better than Lewis at this point. Though Lewis did have a great open field tackle.
On the play Sabby knocked himself out he didn’t wrap up.
The buffalo chicken sando is a ripoff.
"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain
by LeeCaz on Aug 29, 2010 10:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Did Anybody notice the Cheerleaders?
Its on NFL.com, the first article in the column box to the right. Play the video lol.
I couldn’t watch the game, settled with another NFL gamezone chart match, and I seemingly missed our cheerleaders booty grinding, pretty much, on the Jags?
Lucky Jags.
Cannons... fire them.
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Just saw the Williams catch.
Even though the CB fell, Mike already had at least a step on him and Johnson hit him in stride.
Cannons... fire them.
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Kellen Winslow should not be playing.
At all.
Cannons... fire them.
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Wow....defensive line is giving the Jags' o-line some problems early
Early holding penalties.
Cannons... fire them.
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Gerald McCoy getting some pressure in one-one-one matchups.
Poor coverage in intermediate pass range.
Cannons... fire them.
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Cody Grimm
Nice coverage on a corner route in the end zone…..one of the tougher routes for a DB to handle. Well played.
Cannons... fire them.
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Why is Benn getting no looks?
The only thing I can fathom is that since he is a second round draft pick he is pretty much guaranteed a roster spot. I still would like to see what he can do. Maybe he has been spectacular during practice and they don’t want to reveal thier secret weapon. I hope that is the case. Also maybe he will get a chance to start next week. More looks for Benn please!
by Da' Shwashbuckler on Aug 29, 2010 1:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Besides a bad throw by Gerrard, Rudd looks awful.
Nice pic of the lightning, I just happen to be in that pic. :D
If an optimist had his left arm chewed off by an alligator, he might say in a pleasant and hopeful voice, "Well this isn't to bad, I don't have a left arm anymore but at least nobody will ever ask me if I'm left-handed or right-handed" but most of us would say something more along the lines of "Aaaaaa! My arm! My arm!" DANIEL HANDLER (as Lemony Snicket)
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