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Take your pick: Huggy Bear or Peanut

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Camp is fully in session and the team has been grinding out practices as they progress towards their first game on Saturday at Miami.  We've touched on a few position battles going on in camp, mainly at nickel back and the log jam at wide receivers, but there remains one interesting battle that probably won't get much press, but could play a big part in the 2010 Tampa Bay Buccaneers season. 

I'm of course talking about the battle for our 3rd running back or scat back based on each player's attributes.

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The incumbent third running back is Clifton Smith, or as most people call him "Peanut".  He burst onto the scene two years ago with return duties when former 2nd round picK Dexter Jackson kept getting tackled by the turf monster.  Peanut proved to be a gamechanger in the return game on both kickoffs and punts as he took back a kickoff and punt for a touchdown.  His great season was capped with a trip to the Pro Bowl, giving him much needed security on the roster. 

2009 was another story.  While he had another decent year returning kicks, he didn't flash the same stuff we saw in 2008.  He also started to battle a case of the fumbles.  Peanut was being used as a true 3rd down back at times and while he showed good burst, his inability to hang onto the ball is something that put him in the doghouse.  In 8 touches as a running back/wide receiver, he fumbled three times, losing one of them (against Washington).  That's pretty awful.  Of course, he would battle the concussion later in the year after a cheap shot by a Panthers player.

This brings us to Kareem Huggins, or Huggy Bear.  He's from Hofstra which is where Raheem Morris graduated from.  He brings little experience and has as many regular season NFL touches as I do, a whopping zero.  But he was a big surprise in camp last year and has endeared himself to the coaching staff.

Now, neither one of these guys should be asked to do much if Carnell Williams and Derrick Ward do what they're supposed to.  But you need at least 3 active running backs each week, and when you figure that one or both of these guys can fill special team spots, it makes them that much more valuable.  The only issue is, both of these guys won't be active on game day.  There is no need to have a 3rd and 4th running back active or to have just a special teams player who fills no other role active.  This means that whomever is going to be most useful in special teams should get the nod.  With Michael Spurlock and Sammy Stroughter able to fill in as returners, the decision between Peanut and Huggy Bear will probably come down to ability at the running back position.

Personally, I don't know much about Huggins, but it's tough to write him off, if only for the fact that Peanut has shown us several times that he can't hang onto the ball.  I'd settle for a little less sizzle and more ball security with our 3rd running back than have to hold my breath every time he gets him

So Bucs Nation, if you had to choose today between Peanut or Huggins, who would it be and why?

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I'd go for Huggins

Because as good a returner as Peanut is, if he can’t hold on to the ball he can’t play on offense. And while he’s very good at returning kicks, we have other people on the roster who are also good (Stroughter, Spurlock), just not as good as he is.

Also I’d disagree that he wasn’t as good in ‘09 as he was in ’08. No, he didn’t get a touchdown. But his average kickoff return was 2.5 yards longer. His punt returns were 4 yards per punt return shorter, though.

by Sander on Aug 10, 2010 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Peanut as the return man

Huggins as the scat. We have to cautious with how we use Peanut, as his injury history has dictated.

by Danny180 on Aug 10, 2010 10:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Considering that the fanpost about training camp

said that Smith is on one of the giant banners hanging in RayJay, the front office must feel pretty confident in him. Personally, I’m pulling for Huggins. I think Smith had his shot last year and blew it. I am intrigued by Huggin’s sub 4.3 speed and think he could be a viable home run threat for us.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Aug 10, 2010 10:18 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Huggy hands down!

He is blazing fast and we don’t have an active back who can change the pace. Watch him is preseaon you will be impressed. If we don’t give him a chance soon someone else will. He is not as “under the rader” as most think. I’m pulling for Huggy!
Plus he doesn’t fumble. Clifton bring nothing but a presence on special teams.

by Tristan8210 on Aug 10, 2010 10:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Have to go with Smith

Can’t have 4 RB’s on the starting 53, takes up too much space. Smith is the obvious returner, might as well use him as the 3rd RB.

by RyanL87 on Aug 10, 2010 10:57 AM EDT reply actions  

hard to imagine the 3rd running back getting many carries anyhow…Although you do have to worry about Ward and Caddy’s durability.

by RyanL87 on Aug 10, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couldnt you say that Huggins could be the return guy?

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Aug 10, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see a problem carrying 4 RBs...

if one is your return guy. I worry about Cadillacs durability, and Ward could step right in for him.

by Cracker Ball on Aug 10, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

The question isn’t really “do we want to keep 4 RBs” it’s “Do we want to keep a return specialist who won’t see the field otherwise.”

by Sander on Aug 10, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

If he is a good return man and ST player...

Yes. People around here are very high on Huggins, so let’s see if he can play. Graham and Pressley will be the FBs I think. The idea of having a scat back (like a Warrick Dunn or CJ Spiller will bring dimension to an ordinary offense. OC Olson need all the help he can get around here.

by Cracker Ball on Aug 10, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the first time in a long time I

agree with Cracker Ball 100%. Huggins got the speed and all that jump cut ability. The question is can he produce, as far a I know he could be just as fumble prone as Peanut simply cause the only time I have seen him run with purpose is on youtube in a Hofstra jersey. For our sake though I hope he can be an x-factor for out team.

by keysersoze19 on Aug 10, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clifton Smith has already shown what he can do

Why go with the unknown quantity? Smith is a pro-bowl caliber return guy, lets just be happy we have one at any position!

by RyanL87 on Aug 10, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hasn't Spurlock shown in short stints that he can do the job?

Thus, why not let him fill the return role and opt for a true 3rd running back? Clifton has been excellent on special teams but I don’t trust him as a running back. We don’t have much letdown between Spurlock and Smith it seems.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Aug 10, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It'll feel so strange cutting Smith.

But its a move that makes sense. With Smith gone, we can free up two roster spots. I’ll wait to see what Huggins can do in the preseason before i cast my vote.

The preseason games should be interesting.

by rjblitz02 on Aug 10, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Precisely Buc Wild

and good point on the preseason games rjblitz. Smith and Huggins will be getting most of the carries so they we will see what that competition is all about

by keysersoze19 on Aug 10, 2010 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I forgot Spurlock was the next Jerry Rice

Then either Spurlock or Smith will be return specialists…It won’t be the worst thing in the world giving EG34 some carries.

by RyanL87 on Aug 11, 2010 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

The bottom line is both guys can handle the return game.

So who do you want on offense more? Spurlock hasn’t done much, but I’ll take his zero net to Smith’s negative return. Plus, if Graham is our FB, he’ll get carries there. He won’t be at RB. I’ll take Huggins and Spurlock right now over Peanut. He fumbles too much, it’s an issue that we can’t have.

Also,

I forgot Spurlock was the next Jerry Rice
Save the snark. No where in my post do I make any reference to Spurlock being a starter, let alone Rice.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Aug 11, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Was only kidding

It really is splitting hairs over something thats pretty inconsequential. Spurlock is the one that fumbled in the Wild Card game against the Giants. They both are above average returners, and if the Bucs are down to their 3rd string runner, then thats probably a different problem.

by RyanL87 on Aug 11, 2010 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Huggins

he is faster and I don’t think he has the same turnover problem Peanut has. I think Peanut just gets by with his special teams job. I think Huggins will beat him out and he can work up to getting some where from 10 to 13 touches a game. Plus I think Spurlock makes more clutch special teams plays than peanut.

by keysersoze19 on Aug 10, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Hopefully in the last 2 games or so of the preseason,

we can give them both reps at runningback. The return game would be an interesting decision.

Use Huggins?

Use Spurlock (when we already have Benn, Reggie Williams, Mike Williams, Stovall, Stroughter, and/or Clayton making the roster)? Perhaps cutting Clayton makes room for Spurlock as both return man and receiver, but what with Clifton? and is that an upgrade at wide receiver?

Decisions decisions….

by rjblitz02 on Aug 10, 2010 2:52 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd like to see what they both do in the 4 preseason games before making that decision .

"Training camp is a little different. To me, that's when you establish the men. You take off your underwear." Raheem Morris

by bucnut1 on Aug 10, 2010 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

This is a competition that will go through all 4 preseason games

While Smith has been our return guy, Huggins could provide us with that change-up running style that keeps defenses off balance. I guess I don’t really know till I seem them play in the preseason. Does anyone expect Spurlock to make the WR roster?

by buccer on Aug 10, 2010 4:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Your comment makes me think of Preston Parker

I think he will be in the mix with Spurlock, and it is hard for me to rule out Parker cause I seen what he did at FSU.

by keysersoze19 on Aug 10, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Serious Question:

“Huggy Bear”?

So you can keep knocking but won't knock me down
No love lost, no love found

by 4QB on Aug 10, 2010 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

That's pedo-bear.

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by MNeilson on Aug 10, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's another possibility

Instead of cutting him, why not try to trade Peanut? Surely some team out there will want him.

by Sander on Aug 10, 2010 9:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldnt say that.

Every team has returners and he is worthless as a rb (at least for now). If we cut him I have no doubt he would wind up on a roster somewhere, but I would think he has very little trade value if any.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Aug 10, 2010 10:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Actually, not every team has returners

The Packers were lacking last year, for instance. There’s a reason the Niners traded for Ted Ginn Jr. and it wasn’t his potential as a receiver.

by Sander on Aug 10, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes it was.

The same potential that made him a first round draft pick. He may have had some drops, but I almost guarantee he will see time at receiver this year. Returners wash out pretty quickly. No one is going to trade for Smith after his pedestrian season last year, especially now that he has had a major concussion. I also think our special teams are so good that we could stick pretty much anybody not named Dexter Jackson back there and they would have moderate success.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Aug 10, 2010 11:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes it was.

The same potential that made him a first round draft pick. He may have had some drops, but I almost guarantee he will see time at receiver this year. Returners wash out pretty quickly. No one is going to trade for Smith after his pedestrian season last year, especially now that he has had a major concussion. I also think our special teams are so good that we could stick pretty much anybody not named Dexter Jackson back there and they would have moderate success.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Aug 10, 2010 11:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Damn this ipod

sorry for the double post

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by LeeCaz on Aug 10, 2010 11:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If the Niners did trade for Ginn for his receiver potential, they made a humongous mistkae

It’s not that return ability is useless. I think we should at least be able to get a 6th-rounder for Peanut if nothing else.

Also I disagree that Smith had a pedestrian season last year. He was better at returning kickoffs last year than he was the year before.

by Sander on Aug 10, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

If all they can get for Byron Leftwich was a 7th round pick, I have a hard time believing they can get a 6th for a kick returner. Ted Ginn is a dynamic returner with upside as a receiver. Smith is an above average returner with no upside at running back. The two are not comparable at all in my opinion.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Aug 10, 2010 11:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Smith has more Pro Bowls than Leftwich.

For that reason alone i would say a 7th round pick for Smith is reasonable. And don’t dismiss a 7th as nothing. Remember what round stroughter was drafted in? But i do agree about Ginn having potential as a WR. Watch for him to be a pretty good Slot receiver

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by TheOneInRed on Aug 11, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

Its nice Smith was honored in 08, but making the pro bowl as a kick returner isn’t that big of a deal. He also has more pro bowl appearances than Talib. Is he more valuable than him too?

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Aug 11, 2010 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wasn't talking about smith being more valuable than Leftwich

if thats what you’re getting at. I was just trying to prove a point that if a team needed a returner than a 7th round pick is fine for a pro bowl KR.

"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four."
-Dan Birdwell

by TheOneInRed on Aug 11, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you 100%

but I think the massive concussion last year probably eliminated any market there might have been for him. The NFL is really cracking down on head injuries. Every time Smith takes a hard hit he will probably have to be examined throughout the season. In my opinion most teams would probably not be willing to take that risk. Damn that Dante Wesley

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Aug 11, 2010 2:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Is he still with the Panthers?

Because if he is, im sure some Bucs will still have a bounty on his head.

"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four."
-Dan Birdwell

by TheOneInRed on Aug 11, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm really not sure

but as far as I know he is.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Aug 11, 2010 2:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No, he's gone

Exiled to the Lions for his evil behaviour.

by Sander on Aug 11, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

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