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Bucs Nation Q&A with Dave Gardner of Football Outsiders


With the start of the NFL season upon us, it seemed prudent to take a closer look at some of the Buccaneers 2009 metrics with the help of the good folks over at Football Outsiders....the best inside-the-numbers site on the web, in my humble opinion.  Those guys offer a tremendous resource for putting aside biases and perceptions on a player and taking a clear and open look at pretty much every stat you could ever want or imagine.  I highly recommend setting up an account and checking them out if you haven't already.

Dave Gardner from FO was good enough to respond to some questions I posed to him, and his answers are as follows.....

1) Much has been made about Barrett Ruud's productivity at Bucs Nation, or lack thereof, in 2009 in Jim Bates' 2-gap system.  Ruud appears to lack the ability of elite MLBs to shed blocks, slash through players, and make plays consistently. However, as we saw in 2007 and the majority of 2008 in the Tampa 2 defense, Ruud is an instinctive player and seems more than adept at making plays, both against the run and in the passing game, when he has an aggressive defensive front keeping the blockers off of him and giving him a free-and-clear 3-5 yard cushion from the line of scrimmage.  Do the metrics support Ruud's seeming success and struggles in and out of the Tampa 2?

-- Our stats show that Ruud was actually quite productive last year. He was second in the league with 150 plays, behind only San Francisco stud Patrick Willis. I think there were a couple of things going against Ruud last year, though. First, the defensive line was really sloppy. They didn't sustain blocks at the line and left him to clean up the mess way too deep down the field. Second, the Tampa 2 tends to force the play of the ball toward one side of the field, the weak side (which is why Brooks always had so many tackles), Bates' scheme wasn't as structured. Finally, he wasn't playing with nearly the same quality of linebackers as he had in recent seasons and was probably caught trying to do too much. So some of his other advanced stats went down, like his success rate, which was 52% the lowest of his career, and his yards per play given up was 5.4 (compared to 4.5 two years ago). He's not an aggressive playmaker so to speak (as in, he's not gonna catch a lot of interceptions or get sacks), but he does play exceptionally well against the run and surprisingly well against the pass, especially in the Tampa 2, where he's asked to drop deeper in to coverage. In short, I think he was a very good middle linebacker last year surrounded by some less than mediocre players. The increase in talent in front of him and the experience now around him should free him up to make more plays this season.
 
2) What defensive statistic would you say is generally the most reflective of the Buccaneer's poor performance against the run in 2009?

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-- Well, there are a bunch. The Bucs pretty much regressed in every defensive front seven statistic we keep. They were 11th in the league last year to 28th this year in Adjusted Line Yards. They dropped from 16th to 31st in our power metric, and 16th to 31st on second-level runs. But I'll give you one that might be a bit more encouraging. The Bucs' real weakness in the running game last season was up the middle. They allowed a league worst 4.76 yards a play when teams ran it right down their gut. With two new defensive tackles in the fold, the Bucs should improve there this season.
 
3) Based on the statistical performance of the offensive line in 2009, which of the 5 starting offensive linemen graded out the best in the running game?  Who fared the worst?

-- The worst was Jeremy Trueblood. By far. He was really bad. Trueblood led all offensive linemen -- not just in Tampa, but around the league -- with 10 blown blocks leading to sacks last season. And, as you know from watching him, he costs the team so much with stupid penalties because he can't control his temper. But you asked about the run, and he was above-average against the run. When the Bucs ran behind him, they averaged 4.26 yards a play, which was 12th in the league. But actually, they were even more successful running behind Donald Penn and Davin Joseph on the left side of the line, averaging 4.87 yards a pop -- good for fifth in the league. Davin Joseph is clearly the best combo blocker that the Bucs have, and he's the anchor of that line from the inside.
 
4) An interesting tidbit from your article on the Buccaneers was how the Bucs recovered 18 of 23 fumbles on offense and 8 of 10 on defense, which led the NFL percentage-wise.  How much better was this than the next best team? What was the NFL mean or average for percentage of fumbles recovered and should Buccaneer fans consider the 2009 statistic to be an anomaly?

-- Well, to answer the last question first -- yes. It is an anomaly. Recovering fumbles is almost entirely based on luck, and teams that have exceptional years (either bad or good) tend to regress to the mean the next season. In other words, I would expect the Bucs not to be as lucky this season. In general, teams will recover half of all fumbles, although the percentage is different depending on the kind of fumble (on a sack vs. an aborted snap vs. a receiver 30 yards downfield, for example). The team with the next-best recovery rate was Chicago on offense (13 of 18, 72%) and Kansas City on defense (11 of 16, 69%).
 
5) Arguably the biggest pick up for the Buccaneers this offseason has been Sean Jones.  Although he's led the league before in interceptions for a strong safety, what do the metrics show about him?  Is he an above-average NFL strong safety against the run?  The pass?

-- Pretty much any strong safety in the league is going to be an upgrade from Sabby Piscitelli, first of all. Sabby led the NFL in broken tackles with 19 last season. No other defender came even close to that. Jones is a good but not great strong safety against the run. He's got a 36 percent stop rate and ranks 30th among NFL players in the secondary by allowing just 6.3 yards a run, which shows you that the Eagles often played him in the box. He's a good pass defender as well and should benefit from playing opposite of the rangy Tanard Jackson this season. He'll be a huge improvement over Sabby, but not a Pro Bowl-type player.

If these little nuggets of football wisdom have whet your appetite for more inside and in-depth football information, you can pick up the 2010 Football Outsiders Almanac either here at Amazon.com or here through Football Outsiders.

So what do you think, Bucs Nation?  Weigh in.....

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Hurray, Football Outsiders

I love that site, and Football Outsiders Almanac is a really good read. There’s a ton of information and it gives you insights that other sources (like ESPN or NFL Network) will not give you.

But one thing I was really disappointed in was that the Bucs chapter was filled with sloppy research by the writer, and it shows here too. In the book, he writes about Jermaine Phillips as if he’s going to play next season(he hasn’t been on the roster at any point this year), and about Greg Olson as if he’s still the QB coach as well (Alex van Pelt was hired in february to take over those duties).
And in this interview, he claims Davin Joseph is the left guard. He isn’t. He’s the right guard, Jeremy Zuttah is the left guard.

It’s a shame because the rest of the book is really good.

As for the interview, I find the note on Ruud interesting. I’d say that Ruud is mediocre against the run when I look at the film, and both his normal stats and his advanced stats over his career. But I would say that he’s excellent against the pass.

One interesting question may be how well rookie DTs generally play against the run. Gerald McCoy, Brian Price and Roy Miller are certainly talent upgrades, but are they immediate skill upgrades?

by Sander on Aug 1, 2010 4:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I noticed that as well,

but I’m not going to bust them up for that. The occasional gaffe happens for everybody….not worth burning about too much.

I agree with most of what was said, but I’m not sure that 150 plays is the stat I’d use to relate to Ruud’s plus productivity in 2009. More like a by-product of necessity and a defense that saw far too much of the field.

Cannons... fire them.

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by Craig T on Aug 1, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The rest of the book looks really good

Because you’re not a fan and thus can’t pick out similar flaws for other NFL teams.

(the Seahawks bit of course doesn’t carry similar flaws because it is written by a Hawks fan, but it is infected by his blatant anti-Ruskell bias)

by Thomas Beekers on Aug 1, 2010 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Read

It answered alot of my questions and im sure it will do the same for others.

by TheOneInRed on Aug 1, 2010 9:24 PM EDT reply actions  

You know I love FO.

Great interview. You addressed some great questions, namely the bit about Trueblood. I was fascinated to see that they were 12th in the league when running behind him. Only if his pass-pro could catch up to that.

"I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault." ~ Jack Tatum

by MNeilson on Aug 1, 2010 9:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I also won't hold them to the Joesph mistake.

Its nearly impossible to know everything about all 32 NFL teams. These guys do a heck of a job.

"I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault." ~ Jack Tatum

by MNeilson on Aug 1, 2010 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very good read, and aside from a few minor mistakes, was a good prep on the Bucs.

Trueblood sucking in pass pro? Wow, it’s almost like we’ve talked about that one before.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Aug 2, 2010 8:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Haha, I know...

That, and the struggles running the ball, is why I worded the question the way I did.

Cannons... fire them.

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by Craig T on Aug 2, 2010 9:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

It's always nice when what we see lines up with what the numbers say.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Aug 2, 2010 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would like to make a bold pre-season prediction:

I believe Mike Williams and Brian Price will be the two players that will end up having the most success this season, not McCoy and Benn.

by Cracker Ball on Aug 2, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Somebody listens to me. ;)

"Training camp is a little different. To me, that's when you establish the men. You take off your underwear." Raheem Morris

by bucnut1 on Aug 2, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You, I completely listen to...

some others I place my virtual fingers in my ear and “La La La La…”

by Cracker Ball on Aug 2, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

No worries gentlemen...

Just, at the very minimum, form basic sentences and think BEFORE writing.

Not everyone here can replicate that sage advice.

by Cracker Ball on Aug 2, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

/hug

"Training camp is a little different. To me, that's when you establish the men. You take off your underwear." Raheem Morris

by bucnut1 on Aug 2, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

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