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Why not take another look at Albert Haynesworth?


Position change in his future? Albert Haynesworth has been working very hard in the off-season to drop his playing weight. He seems to be quite serious about making the change of position he desires. It's good to see him motivated and working toward making a big contribution this year, wherever he might end up. He could become a genuine terror at the end position, and would be nearly impossible to block one-on-one. I would expect some renewed interest from teams needing a quality DE. He could legitimately play any position on the DL now.

I personally think he would look great lined up next to McCoy...

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Has Haynesworth improved his value with the weight loss?
He was much more viable as the big productive DT.
15 votes
His new playing weight allows for versatility on the DL.
11 votes
Playing DE would give a new lease on his playing life.
12 votes
He is still way too overpriced and don't want him here.
61 votes

99 votes | Poll has closed

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A few reasons why we shouldn't take another look at him:

- They’re talking about moving Haynesworth to 3-4 end. That position has very little value for the Bucs, since we don’t run a 3-4. Grabbing him to be a 4-3 end would be ludicrous, since he doesn’t have the speed to go around the corner. In a 4-3 he’s much better as a DT.
- By creating all the drama this offseason while still being paid more than anyone else at his position he’s shown himself to be a poor team player. Exactly the kind of thing we don’t need around a very young group of players.
- While his play last year wasn’t bad, it certainly didn’t warrant the contract he got. Especially not if you understand that this man has never started 16 games in a season.
- We already have 3 young players at the DT position who all look like they could be starters. Now, they’re no Albert Haynesworth, but why would we want to bring in a 29-year-old to take reps away from those developing starters? We’re not going to contend for the playoffs anyway in the next 1 or 2 years, so bringing in Haynesworth to get maybe 1 more win per season seems a waste of the potential of that group.

by Sander on Jul 20, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Agreed

They may end up better that AH.

by McBuc on Jul 22, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, considering our current "talent" at DE...

and Haynesworths lighter playing weight, I suspect he would now possess more than enough strength and quickness to be a 4-3 end. The weight would also help with the nagging injuries he often has that contribute to lost playing time. If he could get himself down to 310 or so, his 6-6 frame and his quick initial few steps would be something no OT would be able to handle.

When he is on – he is a man playing against boys.

by Cracker Ball on Jul 20, 2010 12:22 PM EDT reply actions  

That's fair enough

I think he would have trouble to get around the edge, but maybe he would be great there. It’s tough to say how good he would be at something he doesn’t do often.

Then again, perhaps he’d balk at the move to a 4-3 DE just as he balked at possibly being in a 3-4.

by Sander on Jul 21, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

From what I have read about him...

he just doesn’t want to be stuck in the middle of the line occupying 2 blockers. He wants some one-on-one blocking and a chance to compile some hefty stats, so a shift to DE would put him in a great position to do just that.

As was mentioned earlier in this post – TEN did play him occasionally at DE and he was very productive there – at his 350 playing weight. He has to be much quicker now. What better way to silence the whining that to give him exactly what he asks for – the chance to be an impact player. Even common stunting and shifting would put him there occasionally, so it is not a ridiculous notion.

by Cracker Ball on Jul 21, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

A sold DT can control an opposing offense

That is where Albert is good at, he wants to get high sack numbers for a DT not he high sack numbers that a end can get, Sapp and Jamie Dukes broke down his situation perfect, and it ultimately came down to him not wanting to just be head up over the center. Playing 3-4 end is almost like playing the 3 technique, playing 4-3 end in a hybrid defense like the Tampa2 is a whole other deal.
1 big reason why I feel he does not want to play nose is this. A lot of players have to produce in specific areas in order for them to get the full extent of their contract. Albert might not have been able to produce those numbers playing the nose.

by keysersoze19 on Jul 21, 2010 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

True enough

I still think he’s better at DT than he’d be as a DE, but you’re probably right he’d still be good there.

The fact that he’s more interested in padding his numbers than playing for the team is what most disturbs me about him though.

by Sander on Jul 22, 2010 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

To pay him that kind of cash to be a nose tackle is just odd to me. He wouldn't have signed there if he knew that was gonna happen.

"Training camp is a little different. To me, that's when you establish the men. You take off your underwear." Raheem Morris

by bucnut1 on Jul 22, 2010 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

The year before Albert went to Washington

He was the best defensive player pound for pound, and he would of had the same impact last year if the Skins had some type of offense. He would not had become that player playing the DE.

by keysersoze19 on Jul 22, 2010 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

The man just wants to perform...

and perhaps a position change would give him the best opportunity to do that. If he wants to pad his numbers – so what. The team benefits from a happy and productive player too.

by Cracker Ball on Jul 22, 2010 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No point of trying CB.

"Training camp is a little different. To me, that's when you establish the men. You take off your underwear." Raheem Morris

by bucnut1 on Jul 22, 2010 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

You would have more luck debating with a gourd...

better counterpoints too. Have you learned nothing from my frustration?

by Cracker Ball on Jul 22, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Say what you want

But Albert playing a 4-3 end is the most crazy comment I have ever herd on bucem, Ever

by keysersoze19 on Jul 22, 2010 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course it is...

We all know Keyser has no internal mechanism capable of screening the validity of his own points. Just the inane ability to defend a very weak point to the death. There is little nobility in that.

by Cracker Ball on Jul 22, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

It is a topic of discussion...

and if he can play end in a 3-4, then it is not a stretch to play end in a 4-3. Just needs to lose a little more weight.

You could use some weight loss yourself. Why don’t you start with that lump of coal sitting on your shoulders?

by Cracker Ball on Jul 22, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I know that

It’s the attitude that concerns me.

Look at Darnell Dockett, a very underrated player in my opinion: he plays everywhere along that Cardinals line, and he never complains. He goes out and does the best he can do at whatever the coaches ask him to do.

Haynesworth apparently doesn’t work like that: he’ll only play the way he wants to play. Now Haynesworth is so productive that he can afford to demand that, but I’d rather not see that kind of selfishness around this very young team.

by Sander on Jul 22, 2010 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haynesworth will finish out his contract with the Redskins

By the time he plays out his contract, Price and Mccoy will be household names, and Albert is not a 4-3 defensive end.

by keysersoze19 on Jul 20, 2010 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

I said no

Because of the type of person he is off the field. The question I have to ask is how that type of person would influence others that have off field issues themselves like Talib? He has talent but Im not convinced his decision making skills is something we want around our other players.

"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important -like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by BucfaninAZ on Jul 20, 2010 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

NO. End of statement

by The_Waterboy_La on Jul 20, 2010 2:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Any position on the defensive line?

Um, no. Zero way he’s a 4-3 DE.

Cannons... fire them.

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by Craig T on Jul 20, 2010 7:54 PM EDT reply actions  

he's to fat and slow

to be a speed rush DE… If we wouldn’t of taken McCoy AND Price I’d be more high on the move but I like our prospects

by freeman05 on Jul 20, 2010 10:34 PM EDT reply actions  

For comedy purposes

I’d like to put him at safety.

by Bucs on Jul 20, 2010 11:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Prolly do better than Suckatelli

"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important -like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

by BucfaninAZ on Jul 21, 2010 2:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Intersesting discussion, had to make my first post

I saw on nfl network some video where the titans used him on certain downs as a 4-3 DE and he was very effective. He used his power to get to the QB and that added to his sack total. If the price were right I think he would be a good LDE, great against the run and good enough to pass rush.

by Bucnbull on Jul 21, 2010 1:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe Albert lost all that weight to play 3-4 end for Washington

He would be as effective as Seymour in this role. Plus I would take White over Haynesworth when it comes to getting pressure off the edge

by keysersoze19 on Jul 21, 2010 3:30 AM EDT reply actions  

I think taking away time from certain young players...

that are marginal at best, would be a fair trade for some additional wins and defensive swagger. Despite all the criticism of Haynesworth, his presence on the WAS DL helped them greatly to a top 10 defense last year. A lighter, quicker and meaner Haynesworth at DE would actually help the DT rookies – not hinder them as suggested.

It won’t happen here, but it would be an amazing addition if it did.

by Cracker Ball on Jul 21, 2010 8:18 AM EDT reply actions  

TAKING TIME AWAY

Honestly I think adding Haynesworth would benefit and both hurt a young player because honestly putting him in as a 4-3 DE would not seriously work…

I mean when you think of a 4-3 DE you think of Gaines Adams – 6`5 258, Julius Peppers – 6`7 283, Dwight Freeney – 6`1 268, and Jevon Kearse – 6`4 265 that is and average weight of 268 yeah I have read the reports saying Haynesworth has lost 30 pound and what not but dud is 6`6 350 and mind you those are all season weights I would be willing to bet dude was walking around like 360 370 so to lose 30 plus pounds still has dude weighing around 320 at the lightest giving him the benefit of the doubt but he would have to lose like another 52 pounds just to make the average and he would have to lose 37 pounds on top of the weight he already lost to match Julius Peppers weight …

Then you look at the DE in a 3-4 system I randomly selected these teams and found out who their starting DE would be and matched their info … Ziggy Hood 1st rd draft pack for the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 2009 Draft 6`3 300, Marcus Spears Dalls Cowboys 6`4 309 Ryan Pickett Green Bay 6`2 330 so obviously there is a big difference in a 3-4 end vs a 4-3 end a 4-3 end is more likely to become a LB in a 3-4 system…

I think as a player within it’s self Haynesworth could help our team but I am not willing to give up anything for him other than the contract he would sign (meaning if he was cut from his current team and were a free agent I would pick him up) that would have several clauses in it that would protect our team if he does something stupid or causes any type of distraction we would have the option of cutting him… getting back to my point in the end it could benefit and hurt a young player depending on his attitude when he comes in … I mean the guy has been in the league since 2002 which helps with experience but only if his attitude was right … a lot of people talk about this and that about Haynesworth but I think he is one heck of a player yeah he made some mistake but so have others…

Hayneworth did not make any real negative news last year cept he was in a car accident and at the end of the season talked bad about his coach HOWEVER he was more frustrated with the fact that he was told he was going to be used one way and was used a completely opposit way I do not agree with blasting your coach in the public EYE and Raheem learned last year that you do not blast your players in the public eye we all live and learn…. There comes a time in a real mans life when he gets a reality check and is forced to shut his mouth and grow up I believe this year was one of those years for Haynesworth…. and it takes longer for some than others look at T.O. He has finally learned that going into Buffalo but it was too late…. Haynesworth is now doing what he needs to do to make the changes that need to be made…. sorry for rambling lol I’m leaving now *waving goodbye*

Raheem Morris + 2010 = Buccaneer in the playoffs

by BucBurgh412 on Jul 23, 2010 9:00 AM EDT reply actions  

No desire to win

i think he has showed in washington that he is more concerned about getting paid then working towards a championship

by ShiftyShayne on Jul 23, 2010 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

haynesworth-----NO!

i’m all bucs and what we’ve got right now————-our players put on their pants the same way he does————————— so i’ll put my faith in what we’ve got and what coach morris and the other coaches do with them——

am i an optimist? hell yes, besides it’s more fun to think positive——negative people are unhappy people————

besides i don’t like haynesworth attitude!

mr. bob

by mr. bob on Jul 25, 2010 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Just for the record...

I am not an unhappy person. My favorite team just happens to not be very good. Big difference.

by Cracker Ball on Jul 25, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

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