What Tampa would be like with out Raheem Morris.
Tampa went 3 and 13 in the 2009-2010 season. There was a lot of speculation about the talent, and development of the team up until the end of the year when the team started to show a little promise. Even with all the up and downs Tampa went through last year, it is interesting to see What Tampa would be like without their Head Coach Raheem Morris.
The Buccaneers owners wanted a young staff, and the formula they wanted executed on the field was an strong running attack with an stout defense against the run. The 09-2010 roster was being built to have a strong running attack and a Stout defense. The draft would of went the same except for this. The Bucs would not have drafted Josh Freeman unless he was available in later rounds.
The Bucs would of either traded up for Mark Sanchez or Matthew Satfford or they would of drafted the best DT on the board who would of been Peria Jerry. Freeman's inconsistency in college had him down graded and picking him was a high risk. But Raheem had a better tool to look at Freeman than any other scout had in the 2009 NFL draft. Morris was the defensive coordinator for Kansas Sate while Freeman was at KSU. Raheem was sold that not only was Josh good for Tampa, but he was the best QB out of Josh, Mark and Matthew in 2009. That alone made Tampa ready and willing to roll the dice on Freeman.
Not only would there be no Freeman under center but the special teams would not be as strong either. Raheem used a different approach in camp last year and had some practices based only on the special teams, he also said that it was a bonding technique and thats why he called it his We-fense. It payed off in the long run cause Tampa had a effective special teams last year. I am not sure if some other coach would of detailed his special teams unit the way Rah did.
Josh Freeman and Greg Olson development would of took a back seat in 2009. Even though the owners were not happy with Jags approach to the offense, they did not want Olson as a coordinator for their youthful staff. Raheem wanted Olson and believed in his system, and in a way would put pressure on the front office to give Olson a shot. If Olson did not get the job as OC this would of stunt Olson growth as a play caller of what can be an effective offense. And it would stunt Freeman growth cause of this. By the time Olson became the coordinator no one on the planet knew when to start Freeman but Olson. He had a plan for Freeman and he has done a good job putting it to work so far.
The defense would of had no hope no matter how you look at it. It was no secret that last year the player personnel for the style of defense the owners wanted was not a good fit. And if Raheem was not here nothing about the Tampa2 would be here, so there is no reason to believe that they would of switched to another style like Rah did. The jump the D made after the switch last year would of been the same jump the strong point of attack defense would of made this year, if Rah was not here.
The last thing of notice that would be different if Raheem Morris was not in Tampa is, Tampas competitive edge. There were on a few occasions last year where the Bucs had no chance at winning, but competed all the way to the end. That says a lot about the character, and will of the Bucs. And those are things that a team takes from their coach, the person who installs that into the players, especially in young talent. More important Raheem gave this team a identity and since of direction. The team Raheem took over had no identity or since of direction. I am not sure if another young coach could of had Tampa headed in the direction it is headed now under Raheem.
Overall without Raheem Tampa would have no Tampa2, no Freeman, and not a strong special teams for sure. Who ever they would have brought in to coach might have installed a good competitive spirt, and probably could of gave the Bucs a since of direction plus an identity, but that is just a possibility. With Raheem those things are a guarantee. I am not sure the Bucs can be in a better position they are in now.
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If we had the 1st overall selection...
or even the 5th, Freeman would not have been our selection. He may have been the best QB remaining on the board at the time we picked, but certainly not the best QB prospect. We may have also passed on DT Peria Jerry at that point, as the DT slots may not have been diagnosed as our weakest position on the team.
We also cannot assume the Tampa 2 would have been thrown out just because Morris wasn’t kept around. Others coaches are schooled in similar defenses.
Just more Keyser “positivity” fluff
by Cracker Ball on Jul 30, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
2 things
in that draft we were going to draft Freeman our a DT and 2
Even with Rah the front office still wanted to get rid of the Tampa2
by keysersoze19 on Jul 30, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Can somebody translate for me?
"Training camp is a little different. To me, that's when you establish the men. You take off your underwear." Raheem Morris
The front office wants to get rid of the Tampa 2 and we drafted defensive tackle Josh Freeman.
How did I do?
When Tampa started this new movement
They did not want to run the Tampa2 any more, we were playing Jim Bates defense. How Does this apply to the story.
If Raheem was not the head coach, we would not have switched back to the Tampa2. And we would not have drafted Freeman in the 09 draft also, we would of drafted a DT to match the new style of defense, which a lot of NFL experts predicted we would do even with Raheem here.
by keysersoze19 on Jul 30, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I think a more experienced HC could have squeezed out another win or two..
but Raheem was going nowhere, even if he was not named our HC. His inexperience was exposed more that once last year, and I wish he would have the opportunity to simply run the DEF to gain some additional skills.
Cam Cameron
Had an arguably better team and almost went 0-16 if not for a fluke play against the Ravens (correct me if im wrong).
I stand by the argument that considering what the talent level for the Buccaneers was last year the win loss totals are consistent. We won some games that no one would have expected us to win and lost alot of close games against teams with considerably better talent. I dont know about you guys but Im happy and content with what happened last year ( considering the talent level of course) and where the team is headed in the future.
RAHEEM DESERVES SOME CREDIT FOR THE POSITIVE VIBES COMING OUT OF THE ORGANIZATION RIGHT NOW. I WISH SOME OF YOU FELLOW FANS COULD SIMPLY ADMIT THAT!!!
Josh Freeman will be better than Matt Ryan, not so sure about Drew Brees!!
by TruBuc on Jul 19, 2010 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This year will be his chance to prove himself...
not a rookie HC anymore. Presumably got the players he wanted in the draft, so lets see what happens. I am not as quick to jump on the bandwagon. Has to prove something first.
I am a Buccaneer fan… not a Morris fan.
Agreed
I’m giving him a bit more credit because I think the Bucs players never gave up last year, and that’s not that common in a team that was as bad as we were.
But this season he has no excuses. No offseason problems, no coordinator problems, he has a year of experience, all the rookies seem to be working very hard and our young team got another year of valued experience. He has to show some major improvement.
I think this 1st year helped Rah as a play caller defensively
I think he will be more strategic with his play calling next year.
For some reason
that giddy grin of his, I really pray that I can go back to chanting Raheem “The Dream” proudly. Players love him, I can’t help but remember thinking our DB’s were coached well back in the Kiffin days. I’m happy with Freeman but looking back at that draft, whos to say we couldn’t of landed him in the second round?
tough call looking back at it
I loved the pick I’m a huge fan… but there were teams ranking him as a third round project at the time
So was Tim Tebow
I know Freeman is going into his second year and has really only 1 established guy to throw to in Kellen Winslow Jr, but I just got the feeling that Freeman will come out and shock the world next year, the same way Mcnabb did in his second year
ONE THING
I love Freeman Work Ethic … He has spent virtually every week at One Buc Place studying working out working with players even working with the rooks to prepare them for their day … I do not really care for Tebow because I think he is more smoke and Mirrors than anything but I never really cared to watch him play … I would compare Freeman to Big Ben minus all the raped chick and supporting cast and great coach LOL
Raheem Morris + 2010 = Buccaneer in the playoffs
I am not comparing their talent
I am comparing the draft situation.
by keysersoze19 on Jul 22, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice article, Keyser.
Your writing has improved tremendously.
Honestly, I can’t imagine what our team would be without Rah becuase I have no idea who would be HC if he wasn’t in the picture. I hate Raheem’s press conferences and I don’t think he managed games well last year, but he does seem to have the players behind him. And maybe that’s the most important thing as we go through this process…
If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
And Buc Nation WILL NEVER have a better writer the Keyser
Raheem Morris + 2010 = Buccaneer in the playoffs
You mean when we were 9-7?
From 9-7 to 3-13 is not exactly the right direction. Perhaps Morris/Dominik are the cancers.
Go T.O.!
Guess he's still under Raheems desk. ;)
"Training camp is a little different. To me, that's when you establish the men. You take off your underwear." Raheem Morris
The team was going with a youth movement
no matter what
by keysersoze19 on Jul 25, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
i was really just being nostalgic when i mentioned Gruden i knew that RM wasn’t going to be as good a coach but its not his fault i don’t think there are many that are as good as Gruden was he did some creative things with that Defence that only a hand full of other coachs could have thought up as well
Gruden was smart enough to bring in Kiffin...
and let him run it. That seems like a pretty experienced thing to do. Also allowed him to concentrate on the offense. Good Head Coaches can bring good coordinators, which in turn can help lure the good assistants. Everyone wants to be in on winning… easy sell.
by Cracker Ball on Jul 25, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean keep Kiffin
He didn’t bring him in at all.
And honestly, Morris didn’t have much choice last year. There weren’t many DCs and OCs left. And to be fair, going in Jeremy Bates looked like a good choice: very experienced with good results in the past.
Jagodzinski was always a weird choice, though.
by Sander on Jul 25, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I stand corrected...
Yes… to keep Kiffin in place through the HC transition. If it ain’t broke…
Jagodzinski has some success at BC and was one of the “hot young names” bandied about for a HC position (as his interview with the Jets would show) and there is no real shame in losing out to Rex Ryan. He will definitely land somewhere if he chooses to.
Jim (not Jeremy) Bates did have some success in the past, mainly as the ‘04-’05 MIA DC, but maybe our personnel was just completely wrong for his schemes or something. Raheems hiring options may been limited because other OC and DC candidates felt the Morris’ situation was simply too precarious to chance coming here. There is no nobility in going down with the ship.
by Cracker Ball on Jul 25, 2010 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If Shanahan was hired here, I'm pretty sure there wouldn't have been a problem getting an OC or DC in here.
"Training camp is a little different. To me, that's when you establish the men. You take off your underwear." Raheem Morris
Hmm, wonder if Morris would let Gruden be the DC?
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important -like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
He had the defense ready
to be sure the Raiders had no chance against us.
by keysersoze19 on Jul 25, 2010 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I would imagine that Grudens intimate knowledge
of the Raiders personnel, etc. made Kiffins defensive schemes all the more effective.
by Cracker Ball on Jul 26, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure that Gruden has ever been in the Defensive rooms at One Buc Place
I do remember Brooks and Barber stating that the game felt just like practice
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important -like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
Actually, I was thinking more that...
he may have shared his knowledge with Kiffin, and maybe not address the entire defensive player meeting, to share his knowledge. Monte would have been the one to make any specific adjustments anyway. Maybe I should have phrased it that way instead.
by Cracker Ball on Jul 26, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Keyser is Gruden?
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important -like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
Wait a minute I was wrong
Raheem is Keyser!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jul 26, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That is the only thing that makes sense...
in SO many ways.
by Cracker Ball on Jul 26, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Explains the All-pro team we have
"I wouldn't ever set out to hurt anyone deliberately unless it was, you know, important -like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
What would Tampa be without Raheem?
One word, BETTER! I’m sorry i couldn’t help myself. Please don’t anybody go all internet ninja on me it was a joke.
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jul 30, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions
Smarter coach...more wins...
You get the picture.
No I don't
Todd Haley, Eric Mangini, Jim Swartz all smart coaches that ended up in the same boat as Rah.
by keysersoze19 on Jul 30, 2010 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do you love Morris so much?
"Training camp is a little different. To me, that's when you establish the men. You take off your underwear." Raheem Morris
Honest question...
If the media ranked head coaches from best to worst, where would Raheem be ranked? Near the top? Middle? Towards the bottom?
Lying flat on his back looking up...
at the other 31 more experienced head coaches. Only 2 teams were worse.
by Cracker Ball on Jul 30, 2010 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly
he would be right near the bottom where his team is ranked. Raheem is young, but I sense greatness with him, he has been around a strong pedigree of NFL coaches, and is respected by players, plus he is a great motivator kind of like Gruden. Not every body starts out great, and the climb to the top makes some individual stronger, ask Peyton Manning.
by keysersoze19 on Jul 30, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well... if Keyser "senses greatness" then I must be wrong...
because we all know how credible and dead-on Keyser is with his “vibe”
by Cracker Ball on Jul 30, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just going to forget last year.
I.m hoping Raheem has learned from his mistakes. I think we will know by game 8 whether or not he is going or staying. If the team is 1-7 or 0-8 by that time i don’t care how much of a “gleam” there is in the glazer’s eyes he will be gone.
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jul 30, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not big on mid season coaching changes, but if it's bad enough, like last year, they should.
The only problem with Morris being fired mid season is Olson will probably take over.
"Training camp is a little different. To me, that's when you establish the men. You take off your underwear." Raheem Morris
In that circumstance, I would actually encourage TB to keep him...
until the end of the season. I would also begin my search quietly, starting about Week 10 and make a decision early, so Cowher… uh, I mean the new head coach, could begin to gather his staff as early and quickly as possible.
Hit the ground running, so to speak.
by Cracker Ball on Jul 30, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
If
and I am saying it, twice so everybody gets it, IF Raheem was to go 1-7 or 0-8 do you really think they would let him finish the season? I don’t think it will be that bad with all the new talent and the easy schedule, but anything could happen.
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jul 30, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
They would probably fire him due to bad media & attendance...
But they won’t have that record next year. I think Freeman is going to be significantly better and save Raheem for another season.
I do
They have nothing to gain by letting him go midseason. No good coach is going to come in midseason.
Firing him at midseason gives them the advantage in a first one out of the gate kinda way.
I know most of you hear don’t want Cohwer here, but that’s the kind of guy the Glazers like and it wouldn’t surprise me if they made it happen.
"Training camp is a little different. To me, that's when you establish the men. You take off your underwear." Raheem Morris
All that is irrelevant
cause we are not going to be that sorry to make a coaching change.
by keysersoze19 on Jul 30, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like Cowher specifically
Or at least, not for this franchise.
There are plenty high-caliber coaches like him I do like, though.
I don’t think that’s much of an advantage, though. There’s no reason why they can’t negotiate with Cowher or someone else while Raheem is still employed during the season.
I believe they will win 6 games.
But that’s the same number i thought they would win last year and we know how that turned out. 6 and he’s in for another year.
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jul 30, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure 6 will be the number we reach, it's gonna be another tough year.
"Training camp is a little different. To me, that's when you establish the men. You take off your underwear." Raheem Morris
There is a good reason why they wont be looking at Cower
because they will have no excuse to be looking at another head coach after the start of the 2010-2011 season.
I see a fanpoll in the near futuire: Keyser is Clayton? Keyser is Raheem? Vote now!
by bucfanlostiniowa on Jul 30, 2010 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
He's got to be related to Raheem or something.
It’s amazing how he views our coach.
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