The difference in vibes
by keysersoze19 on May 16, 2010 11:37 PM EDT
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You know you can tell a teams morale by reading players vibe, tone, and body language. Those few things contribute to a teams success as much as talent and potential does. I think many would agree with me when I say, the vibe of last years Bucs team during the offseason was filled with a lot of uncertainty. That is expected of a team going through a rebuilding process, ours was more of a drag than others cause we had a rookie QB, 1st time coach, new defenses and offense, that is something me as a Buc fan is not familiar with. Heck this team did not have much problems between players until the strong personalities of Warren Sapp and Keyshawn Johnson collided. But this is not about recognizing the Bucs bad vibes(I have plenty time to argue that with Sander, Crackerball, bucnut1,Craig T ,and etc...), it is about how a better Vibe for them this offseason can help their development.
I brought out how last year the Bucs went through a transformation that, would have made any head coach not strong enough to face it leave like Bobby Petrino. Even Raheem truly did not know what he was getting into simply cause he was never a head coach. But not only that the QB was in a similar situation, the o-line went through a crazy learning curves well as the D, all that uncertainty was the reason the Bucs had no identity. This year will be different.
Raheem knows what to expect from being the head guy which will make him stronger as a coach this year. Freeman still has a latter to climb, but he feels good with the plan of attack, that will make him a stronger player this year. The D overall learning curve will be minor, I say minor cause Sean Jones, Tim Crowder, Gerald Mccoy, and Brain Price are not familiar with the D as the other are, but there are knew things that are going to be done on defense so the other guys still have some learning to do. Overall though the learning curve is smaller compared to last year, but most important they have an identity. An identity is something that they did not have at all last year, and in turn it let off a vibe of uncertainty through the players, tone and body language.
Those differences changes your confidence as a player, and that fact that you have an identity makes you focus on becoming a better player. 1 thing every Buc fan should be proud of is the fact that, there is no adversity among players, and no off field issues which causes diversity and confusion. The vibe this year is a good 1, we got more of a confident vibe going on down there at 1 Buccaneer place. The main questions come from the rookies, and the QB which every QB face unless he has established himself as a 5 to 6 year starter in this league. Tampa still has a long way to go but the positive vibe means they are on the right path.
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If you're implying I'm arguing bad vibes against the Buccaneers,
that’s greatly misplaced. In fact, I would say our review of the Buccaneers’ draft picks and post-draft signings would indicate the contrary.
I banter with you because you make extreme statements like Sean Jones is going to be elite, it’s nothing for our DTs to push the pocket and get up the field, and our secondary will be one of the best in 2010 with 2 or 3 pro bowlers. I’m hopeful and believe there will be improvement, but I’m not going to set the bar that ridiculously high right off the bat.
Sorry if that makes me a bad vibe guy.
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by Craig T on May 16, 2010 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I could see Tanard and Aqib making it to the Pro Bowl...
but Keyser is a little overl effusive in his praise.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on May 17, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Every starter in the secondary
will play on a ProBowl level with a batter pass rush
by keysersoze19 on May 17, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Do we have anyone that won’t play on a pro bowl level? Because I’m getting excited about the ’85 Bears 2010 Bucs
by Bucs on May 17, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
To me
Every starter in the Secondary has talent that they have displayed in the league, I know how good line play evulates the play of our secondary so those guys will. The front 7 is different I really only see two guys who talent will rise with better line play and thats Geno and Ruud
by keysersoze19 on May 17, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this what you are trying to say?
Our defensive line will evaluate the quality of our secondary. Geno Hayes and Barrett Ruud will benefit the most from our ever-improving defensive front.
Precisely
The secondary will improve the most thats the balance of the Tampa2, get pressure and it is an easy for those guys. Geno still has a latter to climb but, better play from the line will make his numbers more impressive enough to get him powbowl consideration that also apply to Ruud
by keysersoze19 on May 17, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well you know they are all opinions
According to Rah the only thing he has to work on is staying in his gap. I’ve watched this guy played since college he was a play maker, he came in his rookie season and made plays on special teams cause he is a playmaker, he started last year and with poor DT play he still made plays cause he is a play maker, and with a better line play he would be in position to do what he do be a playmaker and not just make plays.
That is not my opinion Geno is a playmaker
by keysersoze19 on May 17, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Some guys just got the gift of making plays
other guys just make plays that are presented to them, we have two perfect examples of this on our team. Black is a guy who will make the play that is presented to him , this is not a bad thing cause he could be a guy who don’t make a play at all .
The definition of a PlayMaker is a player whose role is to create scoring opportunities for his or her team-mates. Geno is a play maker he has been on every level of football he has played. If the DTs play the way everyone thinks and expects, he will show you all his gift. And we all know it is easy for a playmaker to go to the probowl
by keysersoze19 on May 17, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair
Looking at most linebacker stats out there, Hayes comes up somewhere between 10-20 usually. That’s very good for a 2nd year player.
I wouldnt put him that high
Theres over 100 starting LB’s in the league I doubt hes better than at least 80 of them.
Be real
Sander range is accurate, your range is ridiculous
by keysersoze19 on May 17, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure (not in order)
David Harris, Patrick Willis, Jon Beason, Ray Lewis, Shaun Phillips, Keith Brooking, Terrell Suggs, Brian Orakpo, Clint Session, Jerod Mayo, Clay Mathews, Paul Posluszny, Calvin Pace, James Harrison, Daryl Smith, Lamarr Woodley, Brian Cushing, Elvis Dumervil, Demeco Ryans, Gary Brackett, Tamba Hali, DeMarcus Ware, Anthony Spencer
Please do...
you should have at least 57 more. And Tamba Hali?
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on May 17, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said he wasnt in the top 100
I was just trying to prove he wasnt in the top 20 like some of you claimed. And yes Hali is better he had a pretty good year last year
And after reading what I wrote before
It sounds like I said that he wasnt in the top 80. What I meant is there is at least 20 better than him.
All those 3-4 OLB's are pretty much DE's...
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on May 17, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
OLB be fair now
and remember that those 3-4 OLB are not the same as a Tampa2 WLB
by keysersoze19 on May 17, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me clear everything up
Hayes is a pretty good player. I have nothing against him and I hope he becomes a good player for us for a long time. In my opinion, when it comes to all LB’s (MLB’s, 34 OLB’s) in the league Hayes would have a hard time cracking the top 50. With all these teams switching to the 34 defense nowadays OLB’s put up DE stats which make them look
much better than 43 OLB’s. When it comes to 43 LB’s I think Hayes would be somewhere in the top 15, maybe top 10.
Precisely
that is part of what I was basing the comment on, add the fact that he wont’t have to beat out MLB and AFC linebackers to get to the pro bowl and he is better than some of the guys you had listed gives him a 10 to 20 range mark to me
by keysersoze19 on May 17, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Which ones are he better than?
So you still think hes one of the top 20 OVERALL, setting aside a teams system, LB’s in the league.
Two huge reasons
1. He plays for the Bucs. If the Bucs dont have a good season I doubt anyone on the team would make the squad. Plus its not like the Bucs have been churning up Pro Bowlers not named Brooks or Barber lately.
2. Do you realize how hard its going to be for a non 34 OLB to make the Pro Bowl? Guys like Demarcus Ware, Brian Orakpo, Clay Mathews, etc are all most likely going to put up 10 sacks next year and would make it
Hayes is in a position to put up better number at the WILL
In Rah offense not only will have more coverage statistics then an 3-4 OLB, but he is going to have more sack opportunities , add that to the fact that he is a playmaker playing a playmaker position he will put up great numbers
by keysersoze19 on May 18, 2010 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't that mean that he close to the top 20?
Keep in mind he’s only 22. I think he is exactly what the Bucs are looking for at his position.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on May 17, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
By feel I'd put him in the top 40 or so
That list is a poor evaluation
but even though id rather have Geno than David Harris, Keith Brooking, Clint Session, Paul Posluszny, Calvin Pace,Daryl Smith,Lamarr Woodley, Brian Cushing, Elvis Dumervil, Gary Brackett, Tamba Hali, DeMarcus Ware, Anthony Spencer. Hayes is better than some or play the Tampa2 WLB better than these guys
by keysersoze19 on May 17, 2010 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
No Hayes is not better than some of them, they are all better
but you are right about him probably being a better Tampa2 WLB.
Keyser... did you just say
that your would rather have Geno Hayes than Lamarr Woodley, Brian Cushing, Clint Session, Elvis Dumervil, Paul Poslauszny, Gary Brackett and DeMarcus Ware?
by Cracker Ball on May 17, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeez... I hope so
I think he should have said " Geno Hayes is the best WLB in the NFL wearing pewter colored pants"
Then I would have no argument.
by Cracker Ball on May 17, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
He said that he is either better than some of them...
or is a better fit than they would be at the Will in our system. The guys that play 4-3 OLB are not clear cut better than Geno, and the other guys don’t really the same position.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on May 17, 2010 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I would disagree on...
Keith Brooking. It’s ridiculous to compare 3-4 guys and 4-3 guys because they are pretty much playing different positions. Are those other guys really clear cut better than Geno? Did you look at Sander’s link?
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on May 17, 2010 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure did
Hayes is closer to Brooks than Lamarr Woodley, Brian Cushing, Clint Session, Elvis Dumervil, Paul Poslauszny, Gary Brackett and.
by keysersoze19 on May 17, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Um..nunununu,no.
That’s ridiculous. Geno Hayes ranked in the top 30 of all NFL LBs in stop rate % against the run. Overall, he’s nowhere near that range.
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by Craig T on May 17, 2010 9:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
1 would have to evualate every LB in order to do that, and that takes time
The thing with Geno in not every OLB is a playmaker, Geno is and he plays a position that utilizes that talent.
by keysersoze19 on May 17, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Id say
17th ranked OLB 8 best tampa 2 OLB
by keysersoze19 on May 17, 2010 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Youknow, it funny how this works...
It takes just 1 Troy Palumalu (sp?) to mke others step up and make plays. This is why I have put so much emphass on Price and McCoy this year. Even as rookies, if they make others step uparound them will inherently have a better season. Attitude is contagious. And with the additions of Alston and Jones… Our new defense shoul affect the effectiveness of the offense. We di’t lose becase of reemn last year. Welost bcause we ae up the ig play.. backbrakes…Now, FReeman having most of a year under his belt withnew targets and closing out last year with a couple of solid performances.I expect an 8-8 season,easily.
by lilbunnywabbitt on May 17, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Good assessment lilbunnywabbitt
If Mccoy and Price come in and do what they are expected to do every one else job will not only be easy but their production will be better
by keysersoze19 on May 17, 2010 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
They should make that an option- whenever you flag a comment,
a pirate flag appears.
I don't have a Sig!
I like this idea.
Cannons... fire them.
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I feel that I went out of a limb on
the 3 pro bowlers in our secondary, although I do feel with better line play those guys will play on a pro bowl level. Sean fits the mold of what we are trying to do here, and he has proven himself in this league, he is just entering his prime and I feel will excel in our system . Also I listed those names only based on the facts that if I would debate someone it would usually be from that list.
The statement about the line I made was based on the fact that, it is a DT forte to either push the line our get up field. To be more clear on that think of a rookie QB going to a Rex Ryan team and 1 going to an Andy Reid team, there is less pressure in a run power team (Mark Sanchez first year) and more pressure on a pass happy team (Mcnabb first year). Mccoy and Price jobs will be more simplified than other rookie DTs like Suh or Tyson Alualu .
This is a strange statement to make
there is no adversity among players, and no off field issues which causes diversity and confusion.
First off, I think you mean adversity, not diversity. Simple mistake, no biggie. But I’d say the lack of contract for Ruud and Penn are stirring some emotions at least with those guys and probably the younger guys as well. And generally speaking, you have to remember that everyone is all hopes and dreams in the offseason. Everyone is in the best shape of their life, everyone has been working hard, everyone ahs been putting in the time. These are all clichéd stories that are parroted for every team every year.
Thats not to say the Bucs dont have reasons to be hopeful, but I’m not buying into a team because of a supposed good vibe. I buy in for other reasons.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
It is what the time is being used for
Last year the learning process was a big thing for the Bucs, just about every player in every position was told to do something new, this year the learning process is different this year. The diversity comment was in reference of how adversity, and off field issues causes diversity among the players
by keysersoze19 on May 17, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The diversity comment was in reference of how adversity, and off field issues causes diversity among the players
That was deep.
Keyser...
you are clearly someone who is enthusiastic about the Bucs. I don’t know if English is your first language, but sometimes what you write can be confusing for the rest of us. Try typing in an open word processor program and using a grammar checker. I don’t think “diversity” is the word that you are trying to use there.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on May 17, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Diversity
the state of being diverse, Variety, that is how Diversity is defined. I said “there is no adversity among players, and no off field issues which causes diversity and confusion” diversity among the players, which would divide the locker room that is most affiliated with a locker room that has TO in it. The cowboys had a diverse locker room, the Bengals use to, the Falcons use to. In the article I was referring to the state of our locker room so instead of using diverse I used diversity which is proper grammar
I think the word you are looking for is DIVISION...
diversity means that everything is not the same, it does not mean that they are opposed.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on May 17, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It is the tone of what I was saying ( proper Grammar )
Division, Diversity, and diverse have all the same root meaning, I was talking about the state of our locker room, the state of being diverse so I used Diversity. Plus you said diversity means that everything is not the same, every one has to be on the same age in the NFL, you can be diverse in your culture and morals.
by keysersoze19 on May 17, 2010 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, keyser, the English language has defined meanings for each word
If you stray from them, people don’t understand. Please stick to them. Division and diversity are extremely different words. Division implies strife and conflict. Diversity implies that there are differences within the group that aren’t divisive.
We have none of those problems so I don't see the issue
but which you deal with in Division can be fixed cause its external with Diversity you would need counseling and a shrink cause it is internal like a TO
by keysersoze19 on May 17, 2010 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
No, that's not what the words mean at all
Diversity is a neutral term. A diverse group is neither positive nor negative – it simply is diverse. There is no need for counseling or a shrink because there is no problem inherent in being diverse.
Having TO in a locker room is divisive. He causes problems, or in other words: division.
I'd even go as far to say that diversity has positive connotation...
but diversity doesn’t mean what he thinks it does.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on May 17, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Vibe
a person’s emotional state or the atmosphere of a place as communicated to and felt by others. Tampa vibe was filled with uncertainty, simply cause everything was new. This years their Vibe is more confident the only uncertainty is the fact that no one fully knows how Mccoy and Price will pan out and ultimately that can make or break us. But overall it is a good vibe which is real important in building a consistent winner
by keysersoze19 on May 17, 2010 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
only uncertainty is the fact that no one fully knows how Mccoy and Price will pan out
That is our only uncertainty?
Got to be
everything else that us the fans worry about is not an issue for professionals
by keysersoze19 on May 17, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm...
I consider myself an optimist, but I’m uncertain about:
1. Any and all rookies.
2. Our receiving core.
3. Derrick Ward.
4. Caddy’s knees.
5. Penn’s heart.
6. Trueblood’s timing.
7. Olson’s system.
8. Freeman’s judgement.
9. Ronde’s hip.
10. Morris’s press conferences.
etc…
I’m joking, but seriously, every team has uncertainties and we have them in spades. Without uncertainty there’d be no point in even playing…
If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
Yea I mean
points 7, 9,3,4,5,and6 are not problems that will affect the Bucs
by keysersoze19 on May 18, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Why would we worry about McCoy and Price and not worry about
Cadillac’s knees (I hate myself for even bringing this up), Ward’s prodcution, Freeman’s progression, Ronde’s last legs, Clayton’s inability to catch, Benn and Williams stepping up, Ruud puttig his contract out of mind, etc.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Thats too bad...
because we have plenty to worry about.
We had better win the CLE game opening week because there is a tough stretch right out of the gate. Being a 1 point favorite is not very reassuring…
by Cracker Ball on May 18, 2010 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Just the subsequent 15?
CLE finished just as strongly as we did – I can’t believe anyone would even consider looking past them – we were 3-13 for Gods sakes. Can we really look past anyone?
by Cracker Ball on May 18, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry... I didn't know that.
Now I feel stupid for bringing it up.
by Cracker Ball on May 18, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Excellent point...
I will now climb down off the roof.
by Cracker Ball on May 18, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
No team looks past an opponent
that does not happen and if it does the team usually loses
by keysersoze19 on May 18, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
They really had nothing to play for...
as the division was already theirs. Cowboy loss residue…
by Cracker Ball on May 18, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
No they don't
It might seem like it but this does not happen all the time and when id does happen like when the Rams looked past the Patriots in the Superbowl, the team that is overconfident usually loses.
by keysersoze19 on May 18, 2010 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Must have decided that rest was more important...
and you can’t really argue with their success, so I guess it worked.
by Cracker Ball on May 18, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
That, or we were just better/more lucky than them on a certain day
It still took a lot of luck to get past them. A punt return, a missed NO field goal, a bunch of injuries on their side and winning the overtime toss.
It feels like you’re just looking for excuses to pin that win not on the Bucs but on the Saints not caring. This wasn’t a game of the Bucs vs the Saints’ second stringers. It was first-team vs first-team.
Clearly the football gods...
were not smiling on NO that day. I’m not making excuses, as I do not care that much. It really means very little in the grand scheme of things. I simply consider it to be more of an anomaly than a testament to our talent level.
by Cracker Ball on May 18, 2010 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
It’s more a testament of the ‘Any Given Sunday’ mantra than the total talent on our roster.
No it means we are good enough to beat a SuperBowl champ
If we would of never beat them we would of never known we were that good
by keysersoze19 on May 18, 2010 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I just see things from a different angle
Like this point right here others just say we lucked up, NO lucked up to get to the game luck is something we need in football, that win did a lot for the player psyche they said it them selves, by that point of the season we were just fighting, and came into that game fighting well it felt good for them to get that win. We held the best offense in the league scoreless for the 2nd half and beat them jokers in overtime that is not luck.
I just see things from a different angle, and plus to me there is the BUCS and there it is football. It is just the way I am
by keysersoze19 on May 18, 2010 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
We held the best offense in the league scoreless for the 2nd half and beat them jokers in overtime that is not luck.
If you were not a Bucs fan, you might consider this to be luck.
It was a good win, no doubt
but lets not forget Hartley missed a chip shot that would have won it. We played a good game and got the “W”, but we had a few bounces go our way.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Every team in this league have a few bounces go their way
I don’t believe in luck, to me its figment of ones imagination, cause luck does not hold the best offense scoreless for the 2nd half of football. Hard work got us every win we got last year, and to say luck has something to do with it is just wrong
by keysersoze19 on May 19, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Taking nothing away from that win
How did the Bucs hard work make Hartley miss a 39 yard field goal (I think it was 39, I know it was under 45 yards)? We didn’t block it, we didn’t make him rush the kick, he missed it. For an NFL kicker to miss that kick is awful and a good stroke of luck for us.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
It did not he just missed it
which makes not difference if he missed it and they were up 17 to 0 he missed it thats not luck thats his fault. Why couldn’t they stop Williams and Freeman from running in overtime cause of luck o and the field goal we kicked to win it was luck to huh .
by keysersoze19 on May 19, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats not lucky for us?
An NFL kicker misses and average length FG to win a game… and shanks it. That is BIG LUCK no matter how you slice it. Not massive cosmic-sized luck – but luck.
If you remember that last drive for the Saints, they drove right down the field in 2:09, like a hot knife through butter, and Hartley misses a 37 yd. FG attempt, a chip shot for an NFL kicker. Nah… not lucky.
by Cracker Ball on May 19, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Well... I am lucky
Lucky that he is Keyser and I am not.
by Cracker Ball on May 19, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree with you...
There was a lot of luck involved in that game… 1) We were lucky that DAL beat them the week before. If they were still undefeated, they would have probably crushed us like the first time we played them. 2) We were lucky they came out flat and played some uninspired football. It kept us withing striking distance. 3) We were lucky they got the ball with 2:20 left, and not 3:20. They just needed a little more time. 4) We were especially lucky when Hartley missed a very makeable FG.
by Cracker Ball on May 19, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
An NFL kicker missing a 30 some odd yard field goal shouldn't happen
It was a stroke of bad luck for them and good luck for us. He takes that kick 99 more times, I bet he makes it 93 of those times. It doesn;t matter the score, but he missed a kick, that enabled us to go to overtime where we took advantage of that good fortune and won the game. I never said we were lucky to run the ball, lucky to catch a pass or to win. I said that him missing that field goal was luck on both sides.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
luck does not hold the best offense scoreless for the 2nd half of football.
When you’re 3-13 it does. Especially when that same team beat you 38-7 earlier in the season.
I'm not arguing that point. Luck, fortune, good timing
whatever you want to call it, those things happen. We won the game, end of story, but we also played a very good game and we caught a break at the right time. If the clock had 20 more seconds, they probably run the ball, get 5 yards closer and that field goal is good. We took advantage of the second life we were given and won the game. Credit to the players for winning it, but we had something help us.
We had some bad luck along the way too. Like Nugent missing some fieldgoals, getting some bad calls. Doesnt mean we would have won without that stuff, but it happens.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Saying we caught a break is better than saying we got lucky
Now this this about more time being on the clock, no one knows the outcome of that, it is fair to say we had the monmemtum by that point of the game soo whos to sya we dont cause a fumble or get a int, that can happen just like them scoring a TD, but it can’t happen to yall cause they are the Saints and we are the BUCS
by keysersoze19 on May 19, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Semantics...
They are the World Champions and we are 3-13 cannon fodder. I do hope that changes soon, but realistically we are a couple of years away from anything…
by Cracker Ball on May 19, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
That is what it seems
I just like to see how things play out day by day only then can you truly see what will pan out in the future the Dolphins and Falcons taught me this
by keysersoze19 on May 19, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Caught a break is the same as catching a lucky break.
We won the game, I was happy we won the game. Im not dogging our team, but to say that it was all due to hard work isnt true. We had some help from them. Namely, their missed FG. Doesnt mean the win doesnt count. The Saints made their fortune in the SB with film study. Manning made a bad pass. Doesnt mean the Saints didnt win, they just capitalized on a mistake, same as we did.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
capitalizing on a mistake
is football, not luck. Think how many mistakes the Colts and the Saints capitalized on to make it to the big game.
by keysersoze19 on May 19, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, it's not luck, but the missed FG (in Hartley's case) was a bit of bad luck on their end
and good fortune on ours. That’s the luck part. The drive in OT and the made FG by us was not luck. But for us to get there, we needed something to happen that doesn;t happen a lot, an NFL kicker missing a chippy.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Thats your opinion
and it not being luck is my opinion, I don’t believe in luck, the kicker could have taken something off of it could have missed judge the angle, who knows? Luck is an excuse a fall back verb, hard work got the victory.
by keysersoze19 on May 19, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
If a person wins the Powerball
… is it because of hard work – or luck? Whether you call it good fortune, luck or karmic balance is immaterial. There are times when you can do everything right, and never end up having a successful result. Consequently, there are other times that someone can do everything conventionally wrong, every step of the way, and still succeed.
Luck.
by Cracker Ball on May 19, 2010 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
What does that got to do with the BUCS and Saints
by keysersoze19 on May 19, 2010 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That does not apply to their victory
It has nothing to do with a Kicker missing a field goal, a team playing good D, and Cadillac running the ball. Also someone said we were lucky they got the ball with 2:20 left on the clock well that is enough time for the Saints to score on a 3-13 team, but they did not because we forced the field goal in which they missed
by keysersoze19 on May 19, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
If you feel that way
is that what the kicker told you, he said I missed the field goal because he was unlucky, I went back and watched the game the kicker had to kick from the right side of the hash so he had to angle the kick, we he kicked it looked like he put to much on it and he pulled it to the left a simple mistake form an unproven kicker.
by keysersoze19 on May 19, 2010 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Right, we stopped them on third down but needed them to miss a chippy.
They did. Credit to us for the third down stop, good fortune for us that he missed.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Luck can be compared to fate
in the sense that if it’s going to happen then it’s going to happen, we did not luckily stop them and then they luckily missed the field goal watch the kicker kick the ball from the Field goal camera and you will see that he pulled it to the left not luckily no, those angles field goals are difficult to hit especially from an unproven kicker
by keysersoze19 on May 19, 2010 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Our third down stop wasn't luck nor did anyone say that. Hartley wasn't unproven
He missed a lick. The fact is, for us to win, he had to miss. We didn’t block it, he flat out missed, which was good fortune for us. We didn’t make a play there, we had to rely on them to skews ip.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Skews ip = mess up, Ipad fail
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
No we had to wait for them to make an NFL play
a play which I keep repeating that is difficult to make from the angle in which he had to kick
by keysersoze19 on May 19, 2010 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
How do you know it's difficult?
It’s a 37 yard FG. Do you know what the NFL average for kicks between 30 and 39 yards is? 89% made. In dome conditions, on your home field, for him to miss a 37 yarder is more luck than anything else.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Its not the length
its the angle, it had to be more of an accurate kick but the kicker pulled it to the left
by keysersoze19 on May 20, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
An angle kick is an angled kick
wind, outside weather has nothing to do with it
by keysersoze19 on May 21, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
The angle
I don’t know how to upload videos, but if you go to NFL .com go to scores 2009 wk 16 they show the highlights from the game, they give you a nice view of the kick, which was kicked at an angle and you clearly see the kicker pull the kick to the left
by keysersoze19 on May 21, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
What do you call Tony Romo's botched hold in the playoff game a few years back?
He screwed up, but it was a fluke thing, bad luck (good luck for Seattle). Bad things happen sometimes and it is in one team’s favor and against another team. It was bad luck for Romo, just like Hartley missing was good fortune for us.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
He missed the play
thats all that was, just like every year he is in the playoffs he don’t make enough plays to get over the hump. I can see if you talked about a holder who never had a botched play then maybe you would have a point, but Romo he has never made the right plays to get the Boys over the hump
by keysersoze19 on May 21, 2010 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
This had nothing to do with his performance as a QB
This had to do with ane xtremely lukcy break the Seahwaks got when Romo mishandled the snap. To my knowledge, Romo had never botched a snap until that point. Bad timing and bad luck. And even worse luck to get tripped up on the 1.5 yard line.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
If you want to call something lucky it would be
the call the NE got against Oakland, or the the call the Rams got against us in the 1999 NFC title game, thats luck. Anytime a game is won on a play someone else did not make thats simply just poor production
by keysersoze19 on May 21, 2010 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The call in Oakland was 100% correct
It just caused an uproar because no one heard about it. The Rams/Bucs was bad luck for us. That was technically a correct call, but obviously was bad enough to get a rule change. So yes, bad luck.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Both calls was bull
and both calls had the rules change after the season
by keysersoze19 on May 24, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The Oakland/New England call was 100% correct by the rule book
The Tampa call was 100% correct as of the rule book at that time. The Bert Emmanual Rule has rectified that. The “Tuck Rule” is still in effect. Call it bull, but they were called correctly at the time and btoh plays were bad timing and fortune.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
not all the time
and most of the time when a team is driving the ball down the field and they are setting up for an field goal they like to keep the ball in the center of the hash
by keysersoze19 on May 21, 2010 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he was right the first time. Kicks are angled constantly.
You can’t watch a full day of football without seeing an angled kick.
You really don’t want to admit that you’re wrong.
To be fair...
for them to win they had to make the field goal. It was tied, and we ran the ball right down their throats in OT.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on May 19, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
IT is as simple as that
no look there was football to be played we made the better plays and won the game
by keysersoze19 on May 19, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
No one is debating whether we won the game or not. No one is debating whether we stuffed the ball down their throats
I’ve said a hudnred times that we made the plays in OT, we stopped them on 3rd down, we forced the FG. But the 4th down play,t he FG that Hartley missed, we didn’t do much of anything (as it usually is on FG attempts). In order for us to win th game, with 9 seconds on the clock, we had to hope that we blocked the FG or that Hartley missed. At that point, the game came down to one play. We came out on the right end of it.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
I don't disagree with this.
We held them on 3rd down, we won the game in OT, we made those plays. But we had virtually zero to do with Hartley shanking the FG.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
Actually we didn't...
the lucky part was that the field goal was that close. Our brilliant safety tried to tackle the WR high around the 34 yard line, allowing him to spin out and advance the ball another 13 or so yards. The Bucs won the game, people need to give them credit for the wins.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on May 22, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm giving them credit for winning. They beat the Saints in OT.
They came back from 17-0. But they did not do anything to help the situation with the FG. That was up to Hartley and the Saints. He makes, we lose, end of story. He screws up, we get a second chance.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
How did hard work cause Hartley to miss the kick?
He missed a 39ish yard field goal, a mistake by them, which was good luck. We didn’t block it or make him miss it. He missed it, which benefited us.
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
If NO hadn't of taken their foot off the pedal in the second half,
we wouldn’t be having this conversation. They blew us out of the water at will in the first, and took the second half off.
Stay thirsty my friends.
Even if that was true
we still beat them jokers, crap what did we have to play for, the only reason we won cause Rah preached to always play hard since training camp
by keysersoze19 on May 19, 2010 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
We could of had a bunch of guys who did not care anymore
Like y’all said they were up 17 on a 3 and 13 team, for what reason did we have to keep playing hard, other than the fact that Rah preached playing hard
by keysersoze19 on May 19, 2010 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The Bucs take responsibility for the losses...
you’ve got to give them credit for the wins too.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on May 19, 2010 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Blasphemer...
We are clearly the most talent laden 3-13 team there has ever been.
by Cracker Ball on May 19, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
NO did not look past us
no matter your record you always want to beat your rival
by keysersoze19 on May 18, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope we put on an a' kickin display
Nothin would make me happier then Freeman and Co puttin on a clinic in Cleveland. .. besides Mons Venus.. lol… Is it still there?+
by lilbunnywabbitt on May 19, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Mon's is still there. Seven Seas just passed away though (saw it on the news).
Stay thirsty my friends.
Keep it on topic please
I’d also like to point out that no one on staff was critiquing grammar for those who like to bash Buc Em
As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.
by Buc Wild on May 17, 2010 6:59 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hey Keyser... I just realized something
You don’t believe in luck… but you believe in “vibes”?
An interesting paradox.
by Cracker Ball on May 21, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
What does Vibes and Luck have in common
by keysersoze19 on May 21, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
What does this have to do with the BUCs
by keysersoze19 on May 21, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
They have to do with your silly comments...
I just can’t understand how you can believe in good or bad “vibes” yet denounce the possible existence of “luck”, good fortune, or whatever you choose to call it.
They are both abstract concepts and both impossible to prove. You are a strange and complex bird, Keyser.
by Cracker Ball on May 21, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Vibes is needed for an group of individuals to become 1
as is in the NFL your team has a bad vibe and you don;t have a good locker room, good vibe you have a positive locker room.
Luck is an excuse to explain the unexplainable, like the BUCs beating the SuperBowl champs when we could barley get a win last year, you call it look but everyone is tilted to their own opinion
by keysersoze19 on May 21, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It's just nonsense...
he loses all credibility with this stuff.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on May 22, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
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