Why the Bucs should go Defensive Tackle with the #3 pick
Over the last few months, we've all been discussing who the Bucs should take with the third overall pick. We've seen analysis from Craig T on the non-quarterback players expected to go in the top 5, we've discussed wide receivers, tackles (both offensive and defensive), and even looked at a safety who looks like he was born to play in the Tampa 2. We've all shared our thoughts and it seems that we've settled on two players, Ndamukong Suh and Gerald McCoy. Sure, we might debate the merits of one over the other, but it seems that as a whole, Buc 'Em readers, if not all Bucs fans agree that we have to shore up the defensive line.
The reason we all seem to settle on the defensive line is pretty simple. Our line was terrible in 2009. In fact, I'm not sure that terrible even begins to describe just how bad they were. I don't want to hate for the sake of it, but we spent much of the year complaining about getting run over, with no better example than the 4th quarter for the home game against Carolina.
And while remembering that game may be punishment enough, I want to lay out some numbers for you to show just how bad the line was in all regards. My hope is that while we will see the 2009 numbers, with the potential addition of a solid defensive tackle, we should be able to improve on these numbers.
For those of you that hate advanced statistics, I'll start with the regular, commonly accepted stats. This will provide an easy starting point and allow us to compare the line to other teams. First up we'll start with rushing yards against, as this would be where the defensive line would make the most impact. Not a perfect measure, but a starting point. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers finished dead last in rushing yards against, allowing a whopping 158.2 yards per game on the ground. Think about that number. 158.2. We were all but guaranteeing every starting running back a 100 yard day, and allowing the backup to have a pretty nice day also.
We were 4th in terms of average running plays against, coming in at 33.1 rushing attempts per game. If you figure approximately 65 plays per game, teams were pretty balanced against us. The Bucs also came in dead last in yards per attempt at 4.8 YPC. If a team ran it on first and second down, on average they would be less than a half yard short of a first down. It begs the question "Why would any team throw against us?" I don't have the answer to that, but it's obvious we suffered pretty badly against the run. Lastly, in terms of sacks, the Bucs totaled 28 sacks, which was good for 26th in the league, tied with Seattle and Atlanta.
No doubt you've probably attempted to put your head through a wall at this point. But save that anger for just a few minutes. It's on to the advanced stats portion. And as we jump in, remember that all of these stats don't tell the whole story, but rather give us a better look and quantifiable responses to the questions we have about the team. For those who may be just joining us, I'll provide the definition of each stat directly from FootballOutsiders, which is where these numbers are housed.
The first two stats up are Adjusted Line Yards (ALY) andRunning Backs Yards. The running back yards is standard yards per carry that we all grew up on. If you aren't familiar with how that is calculated, we'll run through a quick example. If a running back has 20 carries for 80 yards, you would divide 80 (yards) by 20 (carries), and this gives you the yards per carry (YPC) of 4.0.
Adjusted Line Yards (ALY) is a bit more complex, but not out of our grasp. To help explain it, we'll turn to FootballOutsiders.
Teams are ranked according to Adjusted Line Yards. Based on regression analysis, the Adjusted Line Yards formula takes all running back carries and assigns responsibility to the offensive line based on the following percentages:
- Losses: 120% value
- 0-4 Yards: 100% value
- 5-10 Yards: 50% value
- 11+ Yards: 0% value
These numbers are then adjusted based on down, distance, situation, opponent, and the difference in rushing average between shotgun compared to standard formations. Finally, we normalize the numbers so that the league average for Adjusted Line Yards per carry is the same as the league average for RB yards per carry. Defensive line stats (more accurately, defensive front seven stats) represent the performance of offensive lines against each defense, adjusted for the quality of offensive opponents
In essence, this takes each running play, looks at the down, distance and situation as well as opponent and determines what portion of each run should be credited to the respective line. If a running back gains 4 yards, 100% of that value is credited to the line. The most obvious logic I can present is that the thinking is a run of 0-4 yards is due to the offensive line's ability to win or at least remain neutral in the trenches. As you get further from the line of scrimmage, it stands to reason that the running back has more say in the length of the run based on broken tackles or other moves.
We've seen where the Bucs ranked in YPC (last at 4.8), now lets see how our ALY numbers compare.For reference, the bottom figures will be the NFL average.
| Rank | Team | ALY | RB Yds |
| 28 | TB | 4.44 | 4.86 |
| x | NFL | x | 4.29 |
28th is better than 32nd, but doesn't exactly have me running around celebrating. In YPC we allow more than a half yard more than the league average, with the league's best run defense allowing only 3.40 YPC. That's a yard and a half of difference. Looking at ALY, we rank near the bottom of the league and a full yard worse than the best team against the run (Jets, 3.42 ALY).
Next, we turn to the short yardage situations. These are called Power Success and Stuffed percentage. We'll again turn to FO to lay our the logic and explanation of these terms.
Power Success: Percentage of runs on third or fourth down, two yards or less to go, that achieved a first down or touchdown. Also includes runs on first-and-goal or second-and-goal from the two-yard line or closer. This is the only statistic on this page that includes quarterbacks. Teams are ranked from lowest power success percentage allowed (#1) to highest power success percentage allowed (#32).
Basically, in short yardage situations, which they define, how successful are you, or in this case, how successful are teams against you. I think this is pretty easy to understand the concept. On 3rd and 2 or less, does our defensive line stop them and "defeat" the opposing offensive line.
Stuffed: Percentage of runs where the running back is tackled at or behind the line of scrimmage. Ranked from most stuffs (#1) to fewest stuffs (#32).
Again, this is that should seem somewhat transparent to all of us. If a team as a defense hits a running back and tackles him in the backfield (or at the line of scrimmage), this is termed being "stuffed".
Definitions are done, lets get to the numbers. Bucs ranking is on top, with the NFL average below.
| Power | Rank | Stuffed | Rank |
| 80% | 31 | 14% | 30 |
| 64% | x | 19% | x |
Oh boy. Teams are successful 4 out of 5 times against our defensive line. This should take any guesswork out of what most teams want to do against us in those short yardage situations. Couple this stat (power success) with the ALY stat from earlier andteams can just poundus on the ground on every play. You also see we fall way below average here. The NFL average comes in at 64%, which isn;t even visible from our standpoint at 80%. Washington led the league at 42%, pretty amazing.
Stuffed percentage isn't much better, though we are ranked one spot higher at 30th. 14% of running plays end at or behind the line of scrimmage. Again, well below the league average and nowhere near the 25% league leading Green Bay Packers.
Up next are the sack numbers, which will be the last set we analyze. The number of sacks is the same number all know and love. The adjusted sack rate can be explained as follows.
Teams are ranked according to adjusted sack rate, which gives sacks (plus intentional grounding penalties) per pass attempt adjusted for down, distance, and opponent.
| Sacks | Rank | Sack Rate |
| 24 | 28 | 5.80% |
| x | x | 6.40% |
Bottom of the league, here we are (again). Nothing to say other than we don't get to the quarterback enough in either quantity or frequency. This not only hurts our team, it kills the secondary as they are now asked to cover receivers for longer durations of time.
Now you can feel free to hit yourself with a heavy object. I know the numbers aren't pretty and there wasn't any reason for optimism in this post, but I think this outlines what we already know; we desperately need help on the defensive line. Without a solid front four, our linebackers and safeties will suffer. We have to upgrade the line, and we are in a perfect position to do so in the draft. Now, if I can only get this article forwarded to Dominik and company in time for Thursday's pick.
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I would imagine it's open competition between him and Flip
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
Philips?
I Thought Philips was a UFA who we hadn’t resigned? I figured it would be between Piscitelli and Sean Jones?
by The_Waterboy_La on Apr 21, 2010 11:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Honestly it seems we have 3 solid choices to go with
I will be OK with whoever they go with, but I hope it’s either Berry or Suh
The numbers are embarassing.
There is no question we need to bolster our DL. However, if Suh is not there, taking Eric Berry is so enticing.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
3rd pick is EASY
Take Suh o McCoy, whichever is left. If both are left, take your preference. If neither is left, take Berry.
That’s it. Simple.
Obviously we have _many_ needs - especially on D
Convincing me that our DL was bad last year was not hard. that doesn’t convince me we need to draft DL first.
What convinces me is NEED plus the fact that two of the top three rated players are DL. That’s why it’s an easy no-brainer to go with DL first. If there were nothing but mediocrity on the DL draft board, I would say pick up an elite LB/S/WR what-ever and then pick up a different DL later or via another mechanism (trade/free-agent).
Need should play a factor in anyone’s draft board, but the Bucs are so far off from contending, they should focus on elite talent first and foremost.
Totally Agree!!!
Best player available for each pick. I want competition at all positions and picking the best talent with each pick is the way to go. This draft is incredibly deep and the talent is pretty close, so get guys that will be players for a long time.
were going D
cause thats all that makes any sense, if Calvin Johnson is in this draft, i take him in a heartbeat, but theres no great offensive prospects other than Tackles and QB’s and we need WR on Offense. Suh>Berry>Mccoy
QBs?
You can’t be serious, they are all kinds of weak this year.
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Apr 21, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
According to Pro Scout putupyourDUKES
Do you have anything of value to bring to these discussions or do you want to keep flailing around by trying to single out sentence in a comment and getting angry about it? It really is too bad SBNation hasn’t invented the “ignore user” button yet.
"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann
I guarantee you I am more right then you are.
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Apr 21, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Safford
sanchez and freeman are all better QB’s then
Bradford (lol shoulder)
claussen(lol modern ND qbs are garbage)
McCoy(wishes he was drew brees, isn’t drew brees)
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Apr 21, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Good counter-argument.
Cannons... fire them.
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by Craig T on Apr 21, 2010 11:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Insightful, filled with facts and hard statistics.
You should be a trial lawyer…
by Cracker Ball on Apr 21, 2010 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
NO, THEY NEED TO INVENT
ZE ANTI-REC BUTTON
I was the head of the Eric Berry bandwagon- Im sad to say its partially over.
Keep it building,Matthew Barnaby Bandwagon!!!
Man, I knew our D-line was bad
but that I had no idea it was that bad. That power success rate is embarassing.
"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann
It's like you don't watch football.
Did you even see how bad we were manhandled last year at the front line and up the middle?
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Apr 21, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
It's like you don't even read the comments.
The comment was meant to convey the fact that I was surprised at HOW bad we were on short yardage situations.
I guess I’m just not a savant such as yourself that can watch the game and mentally tally up the power success rate throughout the whole season in my head. Kudos to you. A career at MIT awaits.
"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann
That's why I get paid all that cash money.
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Apr 21, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade up
This may be ridiculous, but I say make a at St. Louis. Offer to swap first rounders and give them a late round pick(we have twelve now with the Leftwich trade). If necessary throw in a conditional draft pick for 2011. Then take Suh!! They will still be gauranteed Bradford and don’t have to pay him no. 1 overall money. However we would have to show Suh the money which I am not sure we are willing to do.
by Da' Shwashbuckler on Apr 21, 2010 10:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I would make that move, but I don't think a 7th round pick would do the trick, would be nice though.
My biggest fear is St Louis trades down with a team (Cleveland) that wants Suh or McCoy then Detroit takes the other DT.
Stay thirsty my friends.
by bucnut1 on Apr 21, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just throwing this out there.
It’s completely a gut feeling, but I believe McCoy will be a bust.
Regardless, I don’t think he’s worth the 3rd overall pick in a loaded draft.
Eric Berry!
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
I have that feeling too.
But I would trade with Washington for Haynesworth then take Berry.
Stay thirsty my friends.
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I have that same bust feeling about Suh.
by zakattackthe on Apr 22, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions

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