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Football Outsiders unveils SackSEER

The boys over at Football Outsiders have unveiled a nifty new regression model to predict the sack totals of collegiate edge rushers. Basically the model evaluates four key components of a collegiate player's game, and projects their future sack totals for the first five years of their NFL career. You can check out the new system yourself by clicking here. Although it is certainly imperfect (as all new regression models are) it seems to be pretty adept at sorting through the mess that is drafting a DE or outside 3-4 backer in the first two rounds of the NFL draft (which is all they measure for now). Let's take a look at the four determining factors of what constitutes a player's SackSEER projection.

1. Vertical Leap: Long story short, they figure good vertical leap is equivalent to good burst off the line of scrimmage.

2. Short Shuttle Run: This is a good indicator of overall speed, burst, hip flexibility and general quickness.

3. Sack Rate as Modified or SRAM: This basically measures how many sacks per game the player averaged in college, but also takes several other factors into consideration. If a player played DT or LB one year of their collegiate career, SRAM takes this into consideration as those positions do not tend to rush the passer as often as a true edge rusher does.

4. Missed games of NCAA eligibilty (other than early declaration for the NFL draft): This is the strongest metric included in this model. If a player missed time for any reason: injury, suspension, academic ineligibility or sickness, then it is going to count heavily against their future prospects. The metric suggests that if a player missed significant time in college, then they are likely to miss significant time as a pro which of course leads to less productivity.

The guys over at FO have been kind enough to apply SackSEER's projections to this years class of top edge rushers and there are a few surprises. Texas Christian's Jerry Hughes leads the pack with a 5 year projected sack total of 27.7. Players similar to Hughes according to the site are Jared Allen, Terrell Suggs, and Robert Mathis. FO also points out that Hughes is far from a sure thing. His stats line up favorably with epic bust Jason Babin.

Other notable names include:

Derrick Morgan: 23.3 Sacks through Year 5.
Everson Griffen: 22.8
Brandon Graham: 22.1
Sergio Kindle: 18.8
Carlos Dunlap: 16.1

And here's the kicker. FO's SackSEER project's USF DE Jason Pierre-Paul to accumulate a whopping 3.8 sacks during his first five years in the NFL. JPP's junior college experience really hurts him in this model. I could tell you why but they say it so succinctly I think I will just give you their reasoning.

So why do junior college edge rushers struggle so mightily when transitioning to the NFL? Most edge rusher prospects who play at the junior college level miss two years worth of their NCAA eligibility, and they are understandably "raw" when they enter the professional ranks. Although many coaches believe that such a player can be "coached up," the coaching staff can only devote so much of its valuable coaching resources to a single player. Moreover, many players who go to a junior college have significant or severe academic issues, and expecting them to digest a complicated NFL playbook while also "catching up" on their fundamentals may be unrealistic.

The article goes on to list a gi-normous amount of junior college edge rushers that have failed immaculately in the NFL. So let's hope some of those mock drafts projecting the Bucs to take JPP are dead wrong, because if this model is even partially correct, he is going to be a HUGE bust. I urge you guys to check out this model and familiarize yourselves with it. It could prove to be a great tool in evaluating talent for years to come.

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Fascinating

I would agree with the majority of it, and find their reasoning about juco players very convincing. However, I think they may underestimate upper body strength. The ability to hand fight and shed NFL olineman is exponetially harder in the NFL. I would also add a disclamer that they are probably erring on the side of conservative.

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by MNeilson on Apr 19, 2010 4:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Very true.

It says that the system is probably better at identifying busts than it is at identifying studs.

"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann

by LeeCaz on Apr 19, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

In that case...

..my bias against Jason Pierre-Paul has just solidifed.

by Kilgore on Apr 19, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps if he lined up as a S and began his back-flip thing

before the snap it would help, because he is going to see a lot of turf up close with an NFL right tackle laying right on top of him. This ain’t no junior college. These guys are all bigger and faster than anything he has ever seen before.

As I have said a million times – don’t reach for a player.

by Cracker Ball on Apr 20, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting....

I’ll have to delve into this after work.

Cannons... fire them.

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by Craig T on Apr 19, 2010 6:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I agree with you guys that the data on JUCO.....

players is interesting but when the models conclusion is that JPP will have less than 1 sack a year for his first 5 years, the model becomes irrelevant because if that guy is on the field hes getting way more sacks than that. That said, I agree with Lee, I don’t want JPP and taking him 3rd would be insane.

by TampaFSUfan on Apr 19, 2010 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think taking him 3rd is even a remote possibility, so I wouldn't worry.

I am putting together the Bucs Draft Board now for Thursday and I didn’t even include him in our First Round board (pending trade that is).

Also, your assertion is a little off. You are concluding that he will be on the field for 5 years. If he is unproductive his first year, he may see very limited action. Their metric is the best way to predict something. It doesn’t mean there isn’t exceptions, however their point about coaches not having the time to coach his ‘raw’ potential is a valid one. The NFL doesn’t spend a whole lot of time on individual coaching. If he falls behind the curve early, they will continue to move on.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by MNeilson on Apr 19, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing earth-shattering.

If you are interested in helping me put it together, email me. I am open to admitting I have not studied this draft from rounds 4/5 – 7 nearly as much as I should have. Last year I knew just about every player, this year…not so much.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by MNeilson on Apr 19, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm afraid I wouldn't be much help

My knowledge of players pretty much stops after round 2

by Sander on Apr 20, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

JPP is going to get on the field

I guess the one example might be vernon Golston but other than that, can u think of a player of his caliber who hasn’t gotten more than 3 sacks in the NFL? Put it this way a lot of those sack numbers look something like what an over/under in a sportsbook would be, If i was in Vegas, looked up and had a chance to bet he records more than 4 sacks in his first 5 years… id back up the truck and so would everyone else. When a metric gives you an unrealistic result like that, it should be discounted, that said your right were not taking him and the JUCO thing is compelling.

by TampaFSUfan on Apr 19, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glenn Dorsey, Derrick Harvey, Quentin Groves, Jarvis Moss, Tamba Hali,

I didn’t look up their numbers, but those are some guys that have been pretty big disappointments. It’s a projection model though, not 100% accurate, but just like any other position, there will be hits and misses.

As you can always expect come from behind victory is when you least expect it.

by Buc Wild on Apr 20, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really like this stat

I especially like how they abstracted a number of different problems (injuries, suspensions, academic problems) into a simple stat – games missed.

by Sander on Apr 19, 2010 7:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Could this be a benefit to Selvie then???

Maybe the double-team talk was justified then, plus you have to admit that any team going against the leading TFL/Sack guy would want to double team him. JPP only started 7 games so this could be a case of double-teaming Selvie and leaving JPP open to get to the QB.

Just saying.

by ronnydobbs on Apr 19, 2010 7:33 PM EDT reply actions  

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