Fanpost and Fanshot Guidelines- New
Due to heavy criticism as of late of our fanposts we have been getting, We have decided to institute tighter qualifications for writing a fanpost. We want a fanpost to be as good as an article is on here. If you just have something to say, Fanshots are a better option. Clearly, a better Fanpost section is desired on Bucem, so that is what we will have.
To summarize the changes:
Fanposts should be well written with little to no grammatical errors. Use Word or follow your browser's recommendations. It should be thought provoking. Telling us Boldin was signed by the Ravens is for a Fanshot. Telling us WHY Boldin being signed by the Ravens is bad news for the Bucs is a story worthy of being on the fanpost section on Bucem.
For better understanding, I took the time to re--edit the FANPOST/FANSHOT guidelines, which will be printed below after the jump.
Or you can simply go to the following links...
General Bucem Community Guidelines
FanPosts and FanShots:
Disclaimer: Feel free to create a FanPost; however please read below and consider before doing so. One helpful hint, if you cant reach the 75 word minimum, you need to put more thought into it....or make a FanShot instead!
FanPosts:
FanPosts are just like front page stories, except they're written by you, the Buc ‘Em reader. They expand upon ideas or link to a relevant article, or are a "thinking question" for others to consider, etc. -- something beyond just the main idea itself. Post your own opinions, too. They explore a topic, idea, or question. You can help keep the best FanPosts on the list longer by recommending them using the "Recd" link at the bottom of the post. Three recommendations puts a FanPost on the rec list.
FanPosts have to have a minimum of 75 words. If you cannot come up with the minimum words, then it's probably better off in the FanShot section.
Remember that your opinion may be better suited as a comment in another post. You don't want to write about the same subject someone else has, either in FanPosts or Main Articles; you wont get a lot of positive feedback from that. Creative people should make FanPosts. People with something quick to say about a topic already brought up should leave comments. People who have a photo, video, quote, news to share, should use FanShots.
The guidelines for posting a FanPost are:
· A FanPost must be at least 75 words long or it is considered to be unsubstantial and will not be accepted by the site.
· A FanPost must in some way belong on Buc ‘Em -- in other words, it must relate to the Buccaneers, NFL, Football, etc.
· You shouldn't post more than 2 FanPosts or FanShots (you could have two of each, though) in any given day, and really 3 fanshots on the main section is pushing it, because it pushes everyone elses out and off the front section. If you are really good, we will make an exception to this.
· It is not permitted to use FanPosts, FanShots, comments or signatures for advertising. Anything posted in a FanPost, FanShot, comment or signature that contains commercial advertising is subject to deletion without notice.
Fanposts that do not meet a quality standard will be removed. We will try to let you know why we removed it, and what you can do to do better next time.
When Should You Post a FanPost?
· When you have something Substantial to say: When we say "substantial", we don't mean it has to be a dissertation or manifesto. But if you see the dreaded 75 word warning, it's either time to put some more thought into your FanPost or start over.
You wont get comments of a positive nature if you dont have a good 'take'.
· When you have something Relevant to say: Your FanPost should relate to the Buccaneers in some way. If you want to talk about the Tampa Bay Raysor the Florida State Seminoles, there are sites on SB*Nation for that. If you want to do nothing more than post a link to your site, you're probably a spammer, and should expect your FanPost to be swiftly removed. If all you want to do is post a link to a news story or other online article or page, try a FanShot. If you DO want to tell us breaking news, make a story out of it. Put a bit more time in it. We will delete anyone elses fanshot if they do the same. First come, first serve is the rule.
We don't want to completely discourage Off-Topic FanPosting, particularly during the offseason. But if you're new and if you haven't made a FanPost before, your FanPost on tennis probably isn't going to be received very well. If you do make an Off-Topic post (meaning, specifically, that it is not related to the Tampa Bay Bucs in some way), please put OT: in front of your post. If your post is unworthy, We might delete it, depending of course on the level of unworthiness.
· When you have something Timely to say: If the link you're posting is a day or two old, chances are it's been posted once or twice before either in the comments or FanShots (more later). Check to see if it's been posted before. Please use the search function (located at the upper right of the front page) to see if your topic has been covered in the last few days. If it has, your thoughts on that topic can and should be posted as a comment on the original post.
If you do have some breaking news, post away. Even though we try, there's no way we can be the first to hear/read/see every piece of breaking Tampa Bay Buccaneers news. All of our authors have real jobs that do come before SB*Nation. That's where you can help. See above, though; if there's a major Tampa Bay Bucs announcement, and you think that you are absolutely, positively the first one to hear about it, please take a look at the post list first; someone else may have beat you to it.
Above all make your FanPost Coherent
You are much more likely to get someone to read your post if you follow some very simple rules:
· Use proper spelling. You're not sending a text message. There's no need 4 U 2 use "time saving" abbreviations which only lessen the value of your post.
· Use punctuation. You wouldn't stand up and attempt to give a speech in one breath, and you shouldn't try to make your FanPost one big sentence that never ends.
· Use multiple paragraphs. There is something about reading text on the internet that makes reading a large block of text unpleasant and occasionally difficult. The ENTER key can be your friend in comments. In posts, use the "P" button to make paragraphs; highlight the text you want in a paragraph and hit "P"; it will put the proper opening and closing tags there. Be aware that if you are copy pasting a post you have made on another site, it may not keep the same paragraph formatting when posted in a fanpost. Make sure to check this.
· Use proper formatting. You'd be amazed how much better your piece will be received if it's formatted properly. If I'm greeted by a wall of text in your FanPost, I'm probably not going to make it all the way through. Break it up. Make it more than one paragraph. Use the 'B' and 'I' buttons for bold and italic text, respectively.
The tech team at SB*Nation has built a powerful WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) editor, which we use all the time, you may opt to use the HTML editor (which is the default box you get if you're making a FanPost). However, if you know how to format using Microsoft Word, you can make a perfectly formatted FanPost here at Buc ‘Em.
· Start by opening Word.
· Write your post completely in Word, making all your formatting adjustments there.
· Highlight and Copy your work.
· Click New FanPost
· Click the "Paste From Word" icon (upper right icon in the WYSIWYG editor)
· Paste your content into the dialog box.
If you dont have word, a great online Grammar and Spelling checker is http://www.essayrater.com/.
NEVER attack a person in a FanPost or its title. Changing someone's name with use of words is an attack on the man, not his sports knowledge or what he does. If you have something to say about a man, BE A MAN and use the persons real name. Derogatory names will cause your post to be edited.
Give it a Descriptive Headline: "Question" may, in fact, be what you are posting, a question you want us to consider; but that doesn't exactly inform us what the topic is about. Your headline should be informative, above all else, with bonus points for creativity.
Here are some Examples:
A Headline: What do you think ?
A Better Headline: Larry English: A promising line backer in the NFL Draft?
A Headline: If you could have.
A Better Headline: Brett Favre or Jeff Garcia: Who would you rather have?
A Headline: What Do You Guys Make of This?
A Better Headline: Luke McCown says he’s ready to dominate the NFL.
FanShots:
FanShots are quick posts, links, images or videos from around the internet -- it's not just for photos; there are several different types of things you can put in a FanShot. FanShots are for things that aren't long enough for a full FanPost, for example, if you find a link you think is interesting but don't have anything more to add. It could be a photo you find on the internet or a link to an article that mentions the Bucs. You can use it to embed and post YouTube (or other) videos.
When Should You Post a FanShot?
· Whenever you find a link, a quote, a video, a photo, around the internet that you think your fellow Bucs fans will enjoy.
· When you don't have any commentary to add other than your link, video, photo or quote.
· When you can't meet the 75 word minimum for a FanPost.
How Do You Post a FanShot?
1. Click "New FanShot" -- Seems simple, right? While logged in, visit any page of Buc ‘Em and click the handy "New FanShot" button. Enter the link or pic URL in the proper place.
OR
2. Use the FanShot Bookmarklet -- Clicking and dragging the "Share on SB*Nation" button (which you can find here at the top of the FanShot section, right underneath the top ad bar; just click "FANSHOTS" on the front page to get there) to your bookmarks bar (the area under your address bar in your browser) will allow you to post to Buc ‘Em quickly and easily while browsing the internet. Once you have a "Share on SB*Nation" button in your browser, you have one-click posting of FanShots at your fingertips.
Configuring a FanShot:
Just select the type of FanShot you wish to post, apply the proper tags (more later) and hit publish.
Disclaimer: These guidelines are intended to help you understand the policies, procedures, and processes generally used by us at Buc ‘Em. Finally, it is entirely at our discretion as to how to interpret and implement these guidelines, which are subject to change at any time without notice.
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Niko, Are you going to delete all of them that suck?
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
He should just delete all of them...
that look like they went through a BabelFish translator.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Mar 6, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Before this gets out of hand,
Can we close comments soon?
When it comes to Eric Berry, Tennessee fans have seen and heard it all. He's known as "The Fifth Dimension". "Two-thirds of the planet is covered by water; the rest is covered by Eric Berry." The Tennessee "Minister of Defense". Besides Chuck Norris, who is the only guy to crash into Tim Tebow head-to-head and live to tell about it? Eric Berry.
by Some other guy who does not care on Mar 6, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
Not interested in conflicting viewpoints? I have posted nothing offensive, just stated my opinion on these rules. What exactly did I post that would be worthy of closing comments? Apparently these rules were already pre-discussed with other users who didn’t like the fan posts in question. Why aren’t you interested in hearing from those of us who didn’t complain about them too?
You want to keep it buc related - I'm on board
You want to keep insults out of here – I’m on board
You want to keep politics/religion out – I’m on board
You want to keep the racism out of here – I’m on board
You want to delete people’s posts (stifling their opinion) because of poor spelling and grammar? No thanks. This isn’t a job, and my degree was not in english. Bucs fans should be able to express themselves, even if they are bad at it.
Nobody is limiting or deleting comments
The new rules are pretty much only for fanpost. It’s not like we are being grammar nazis here. If someone can’t take the time to write a post and put some effort into spelling and grammar than why should we take the time to read it.
I feel like finding out who some of these peoples fifth grade teachers were and giving them a good cussing for passing said people on to sixth grade with such a poor command of the English language.that is a good litmus test. If your fanpost wouldn’t get at least a C on a fifth grade English paper then it is not acceptable. I have been known to stand up on a soap box or two in my day too, but I think you are championing the lazy people, not the unintelligent. Obviously everyone wants people to read their fanpost or they wouldn’t have authored it. If you want people to read it, make it readable. It’s really that simple.
"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann
by LeeCaz on Mar 7, 2010 8:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not championing anyone
I’m telling you my opinion of these new rules. You are (obviously) free to enforce whatever rules you think are appropriate. And the description in the official post is MUCH more fierce than a C on a 5th grade english paper.
I think the post is a little overboard on the description.
As long as I can read it, Im fine with it. Of course the penultimate decision is up to Niko, but given the clear way you have proven able to express yourself, Im sure anything you would write will be fine. When all is said and done, we are all amateurs here.
"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann
by LeeCaz on Mar 8, 2010 8:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I see where you're coming from
The staff has visited other blogs and talked to other blogs about their guidelines. We are pretty lenient in comparison. Does that mean you should change your mind? Probably not, but there has to be some common ground or compromise between everyone to understand that while we want everyone to share their opinion, we also have guidelines in place, as does any other site.
This is true
Look at Field Gulls – one of the most active SB Nation communities. They have strict guidelines on correctly using English.
This pretty much means I'll never write a fanpost
“We want a fanpost to be as good as an article is on here.”
I mean, just forget it. It is just not going to happen. You guys say you are lenient – and most of the moderating I’ve seen on here since I joined leads me to agree – but when you put a rule like that in place I can only shake my head.
Just out of curiousity
have you checked out any of the guidelines or enforcement at other sites, both SBN sites and non-SBN sites? The wording will of course be different, but I’m willing to bet that they are far more restricitive than we are. Without naming names, I can cite about 5-6 SBN sites with whom we talked to about this that had guidelines that were far more restrictive.
This seems like a big change for here, but when you put it in the context of SBN and other blogs/sites, it’s right in line and it errs on the lenient side.
I don't compare rules
I’m not surprised you do. Like I said, it is ya’lls place, and you make the rules not me.
Not sure what you are inferring here
I’m not surprised you do
Truth be told, the rules are not that different than what we had previously. Instead of them being implied rules, they are now documented. I think it’s safe to say that we generally required posters to write something intelligible. This is not a big movement in policy here. Before everyone gets up in arms and wants to strike down the heavy hand of the blog gov’t, lets take a step back and anaylze what really changed. I think once the panic wears off, everyone will see these guidelines aren’t overly oppressive.
I wasn't inferring anything
That was not written to be a dig or anything, just that it is unsurprising. You OUGHT to be looking around at other places. Nothing wrong with that.
You and LeeCaz are saying this isn’t a big change, but it is written as a big change imo. Like I said, as soon as you said it had to be as good as one of your articles, I pretty much gave up ever writing a fan post. If you meant “wouldn’t get at least a C on a fifth grade English paper” as LeeCaz said, then you should write the rule like that. Instead it seems very, very heavy handed to me.
Anyway, I’m done here (with this thread, not Buc Em or anything like that). Just tilting at windmills now since it is obvious I am in the minority on this.
Gotcha
I don’t expect anyone to put in 10 hours of research before every post. Those that want to do that, i welcome it, but that’s not the expectation. Maybe its clearer if we say we expect thought out, clearly written topics/fanposts. No novels (unless you want to), just something nitelligible to the mass public.
There are no rules for comments...
all they are asking is for people to write in a way that they wouldn’t be embarrassed for people to read.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Mar 7, 2010 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
I'll go ahead and stick my neck out on this one.
I’m 100% on board with the changes here. This is not being done to alienate anyone, to discourage anyone, to make fun of anyone, or not allow anyone to access the boards. We want all of our readers to have a chance to voice their opinion, to share their stories, to discuss the latest news etc. We just ask that it be done in a relatively coherent manner. If you want us as a site to read (not just staff, but other readers), take the time to make it legible. We arent asking for a thesis, or that you pay someone to edit the fanpost, but it also shouldnt take us 20 minutes to figure out what is going on.
We arent at all talking about policing people’s opinions. As long as you adhere to the guidelines and its NFL/Bucs related, we will not edit or delete your fanpost. This isnt about having a group think session. This is about providing a place for all Bucs fans to congregate and discuss. Having multiple posts on the same subject or individual posts on every free agent isnt beneficial to the site or the readers. With multiple posts, we get the news several times and dont know where to comment. With each player getting their own post, it knocks stuff off the page quick with no chance at discussion.
We as a site (again staff AND readers) take the time to try and make this a good site, one you want to visit everyday. All we ask is that you take an extra couple of minutes, throw that correct punctuation in there, make some paragraph breaks, and give your thoughts and opinions a chance to be seen. We all do our best to bring the best content forward, so lets be respectful of other people.
Everyone does have a chance to express themselves here. We are not militant in policing opinions. Every website or venue has guidelines in place, and I’ll be honest, I think ours are pretty fair and lenient. When Niko and i and the rest of the staff discuss this, I think we always end up on solid ground and tend to be less strict than other sites. We give the readers the benefit of the doubt 99% of the time and ask in return, that you follow our guidelines. Our goal is not to drive anyone out, but rather, to draw more people in. If we can all have an intelligent exchange of ideas, that will enhance the site and our understanding of the game.
If anyone has any questions, or feels as if they are being mistreated in any way, PLEASE contact myself or Niko. This is not a decision intended to offend or piss off anyone. We truly have the best interest of the readers and the site in general in mind.
by Buc Wild on Mar 6, 2010 5:00 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I'm on board.
Living across the country and not having cable television, I DO come to this site just about every day and I am grateful for the care that is put into it. I enjoy the random, humorous comments and think everyone should be able to express themselves in one way or another, but the unreadable posts are exactly that… Unreadable. I wouldn’t say they detract from the website but they certainly… well, suck. If you have something worthwhile to say, it shouldn’t be too much to ask that you do the rest of us a favor and do your best to make it intelligible.
by Kilgore on Mar 7, 2010 12:06 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
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How hard would it be to get a post counter for each individual person? Some other forums I have been to have implemented rules such as 50 post minimum for certain things to keep out the passers-by.
by zakattackthe on Mar 7, 2010 1:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions
We can't change the codes,
Only SBN can.
When it comes to Eric Berry, Tennessee fans have seen and heard it all. He's known as "The Fifth Dimension". "Two-thirds of the planet is covered by water; the rest is covered by Eric Berry." The Tennessee "Minister of Defense". Besides Chuck Norris, who is the only guy to crash into Tim Tebow head-to-head and live to tell about it? Eric Berry.
by Some other guy who does not care on Mar 7, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
There is a form of restriction we could use
but we’ve opted not to use it at this point. We feel that by telling ANYONE they can’t post for the first X amount of days/weeks wouldnt be beneficial to us. We definitely give the benefit of the doubt to everyone in this regards.
Personally, I don't think so
it’s quiet during the day most the time, and there isn’t much news. Free Agency went off without a bang and the draft is down the road.
It's dryer than normal, I'm here all the time because I have nothing better to do.
I hope that changes though, got an interview tomorrow, yay!!!
Go USA!!!!
If you have read my comments you know
I dont have the best grammar. Its not that I dont care, its either a bad habbit from texting or chatting, or I just plain messed up and missed it.
But in Fan Posts there is no reason to not have decent grammar. Even if you are like me just use the tools given to you and the post should come out with the proper grammar. So basically all they are asking is to hit a button or two before your done posting.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
I just hate the idea that some may be intimidated to post
because of issues regarding, grammar, punctuation, etc. Maybe someone should create a blog where only professional journalists are allowed to post. I was under the impression this was a true “by the people, for the people” Buccaneers fan blog – not some stuffy, elitist upper crust snob-fest. I hope you guys don’t alienate your fan base with all of this. That would be the real crime here.
by Cracker Ball on Mar 9, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
I don't like grammar police anymore then you.
But the problem with fan posts is some people actually put effort into them, and its not right for those posts to be bumped off the front page because of the people who put no effort into their fan posts. So this rule is for the little people like us, who actually care to write a good fan post.
If someone has bad grammar in comments I agree with you on that aspect because it doesn’t hurt anyone, except the grammar police’s feelings when you dont listen to them.
AND
Nobody is going to belittle you and make you feel stupid because of your bad grammar. So there is no reason to be intimidated to make a fan post.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
You guys are all making a mountain out of a mole hill here.
We aren’t asking for professionally written pieces. We’re asking for legible pieces. We want something coherent that everyone can read, enjoy and discuss. To my recollection, there aren’t many other Bucs sites that will allow readers to post front page content. We aren’t going to scour each article for one missed comma and delete it, but if its 20 lines long with no punctuation and makes no sense, then yea, you might see it disappear.
OR, you could just fix the punctuation errors and say nothing.
That way, the poster gets to see his stuff up there, and the perfectionists aren’t all offended.
by Cracker Ball on Mar 9, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions

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