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What to expect from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2010 and beyond

Free Agents take valuable playing time away from young developing players who you hope to be the foundation of the future. Cato June playing in 2009 would have helped in the win column, but would not have furthered the advancement of Quincy Black which is more important.

The caution raised yesterday by Joel Glazer that Bucs fans will have to face the inevitable; Blackouts in 2010, has caused an uproar among some fans, and here on Bucem.com its no exception. Some have taken it as a slap in the face, when this is simply not the case. The Glazers are accused of many things, creating the 72 hour blackout rule is not one of them. The root cause of frustration is what the fans see as a "Chicken and the Egg" scenario; you caused this mess by not spending money on players, and now your telling us we cant watch the games because the stadium is empty, its empty because you made it that way. The only problem with that argument is..its not entirely true.

LETS LOOK AT SOME FACTS:

 

  • People do not change- Regardless if papa Glazer ran the team back then, and Joel and Co. run it now, its still the same family, they share the same values. Also, Malcolm is not fully out of the picture.
  • The Glazers Built the Bucs by drafting a core group of players, and surrounding them with talented free agents when available. Thats not to say they drafted these players and said " You are our core". No, they ones that turned out filled the roll. That holds true today too.
  • This years Free Agents were older and more expensive. Because only 6 year vets qualified, that means 29 year olds were available, not 27 like before. Laws of supply and demand say the few quality FA are going to drive their price up.

 

WHY ARE THE BUCS IN THIS BOAT

Is it a failure by the Glazers to spend money on Free Agents? Clearly the numbers do not lie; the  Bucs are one of the lowest spending teams in the last report to come out. Why is that?

For starters, since 2003, there hasn't been a Warren Sapp, Mike Alstott, Derrick Brooks player on the Bucs to invest that kind of money in. Some of the biggest contracts were the signings of our own star players. The Bucs stopped restocking the talent pile with young talented draft picks and resigned them to nice lucrative long term contracts, because 1)The picks were not there for a few years via the Gruden Trade 2) the Picks did not pan out, they were not quality draft picks. You can blame the Glazers for some things, but you cannot blame them for missing on the later round picks. Cadillac Williams, Davin Joeseph, Aqib Talib, and other first round picks are one thing, but prior to last year, the Bucs simply hit duds in the later rounds. That is an important part of drafting, being able to get good talent in the middle rounds. 

Star-divide

The Bucs were and have always been active in signing Free Agents, even the top ones, when the time was right. Not to lay down the Building blocks with them, but to augment a core group of players the Glazers signed Simeon Rice to a large contract. They brought in Keenan McCardell, Ken Dilger, Ricky Dudley, Joe Jurivicus, all when they smelled a championship on the horizon.                                                                                                                                                                    

You can go out and spend money on Free Agents, mind you were going to talk about the kind that fans want. Impact Free Agents. But the fact is, this years crop was older, and too expensive. When you have players like this on your team, you are taking a job and experience away from the younger player that you want to groom into the star roll. 

The Glazers took polls, and they saw fan interest waning, and in particular, they found fans that were not able to identify with a group of Bucs players like they had in the past. Instead of year in and year out getting  MIke Alstott, Derrick Brooks, John Lynch, the fans were being served a new team each year, with Jeff Garcia, Cato June, Kevin Carter

Lets use the 2008/2009 squad as an example. If we bring back Warrick Dunn, Derrick Brooks, Ike Hilliard, Joey Galloway, Jeff Garcia in 2009, we may have had a better team, for a number of reasons. 

However, instead of Sammy Stroughter getting valuable playing time, Ike Hilliard and Joey Galloway would have gotten it instead. We would have gotten some more Ws, but at what cost? The development of young players?

Derrick Brooks would have started at linebacker, but we would have no idea what Geno Hayes can do, and Geno's development would be set back by another year. 

Same across the board. Free agents, especially the aging kind available in this years class would have been BandAids; covering up a wound, but not really doing much to help heal it. Younger players, guys like Lynch, Quarles, Sapp would have not developed because older players who would not be around in a couple more years anyways would have gotten all of our younger core group of players growth time.

Yes veterans provide leadership, But the Bucs team that developed in 1996/97 pretty much developed with only Hardy Nickerson. They found their own leadership amongst themselves.

THE PLAN WAS CHANGED-

I liked Jon Gruden alot, but he really changed the plan on the Bucs. Instead of taking the time to rebuild after some of the obvious losing seasons like 2004, or even 2006. But instead, Gruden wanted to put pieces on the team via Free Agency where it was needed. 

The Glazers Obliged; They game him Matt  Stinchcomb, Darell Russel, Derrick Deese, Todd Stussie, Charlie Gardner, Brian Griese and others. Does this sound like a boss who is cheap and not prepared to spend money on Free Agents? Gruden had the Glazers convinced that we were only a few players away from another Super Bowl Birth. He was wrong, and this was the owners first taste at what happens when you try to rebuild a team in this manner. The team had been in salary cap funk; not it was in Salary Cap Hell! ...and it took years to get out of it.

Even in 2007 after a disastrous 2006 campaign, the Glazers were once again willing to pony up for bigger and stronger band-aids. Jeff Garcia, Luke Petitgout, Cato June, Jeremy Stevens, BJ Askew, and Michael Bennet. Again, we have forgotten the extent to which the Glazers have spent money on this team in the name of getting a better product on the field. But these experiences showed them, that using Free Agents first, Draft picks last, is a poor way of doing things, and was not how they followed their own blueprint in the past.  

PATIENCE IS REQUIRED -

Its no fun watching your team lose games. As pointed out on the blog, its very frustrating to drop a few C-notes at Raymond James and they put out a NY Giants game (24-0) like they did! I'd point out however that even in our good years the Bucs have dropped a deuce at home before us;

1997 Detroit 27-9

1999 Giants 17 Bucs 10, but Trent Dilfer gave the Giants all 17 points!

2000 Detroit 28 TB 14

2002 MNF Pittsburgh 17 Bucs 7, and the score wasnt even that close.

Last year even though we were 3-13, 3 of the 7 home games were of the "I want a refund" variety. The Dallas game was exciting even though sunblock was as required as Oxygen. The Green Bay Throwback game was a huge success, and the Carolina game was worth every penny, as T-Jack ran back the tying score in the 4th.

It's clear the Glazers have realized there is a growing section of their fanbase that is upset with them. They also know full well, that when their plan comes to fruition, and this young team that will add 5 more young promising players within the month starts to come together and win, that the fans will be back in the stadium just like before. The waiting list will return, the Visiting fans will disappear, and the "Cheap" talk will go away, because the Glazers will start spending money...when its on their OWN players, and the ones who they feel are the core group of the new foundation for this franchise. 

They have staked everything on this, and no matter your opinion, you have to give credit for anyone who sticks to their guns on an issue. They have a plan, and together with Mark Dominik and Raheem Morris, the Glazers are going to adhear to that plan no matter what the immediate consequences. They seem ready to take the hit at the turnstiles, ready to take the hit in the court of public opinion too, because they feel their plan is the best one for the long term best interests of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

They have no intention of throwing money or draft picks away on players that are 29 and over who will take away playing time from what is supposed to be the future of this team, and who will only be around for a short time anyways. Does this mean the Bucs wont pick up any players 29 and over? Of course they will, and they have. But not the ones who will take away draft picks, which is the way this team is clearly setting its sights on to build the next Bucs team. 

  WHAT CAN WE EXPECT IN 2010?                                                                                                                

Honestly, no one knows for sure as far as a won loss record. But expect the Bucs to really put their efforts into this 2010 draft, which is what they are basing the future of the entire franchise on. Expect the Picks to be impact ones, players that fit a need AND are regarded as great playmakers. After the draft, you will see tons of free agent pick ups coming in from colleges, and you will also see some coming in from other teams. These are the players who will create the competition in camp and OTAs, and from which a few players will turn out to be the next Shelton Quarles, David Logans, and Styles Whites.

Beyond that, the season has some positives to look forward to:

A full offseason with Josh Freeman at the helm

young players who got ample in game experience last year, Sammie Stroughter, Roy Miller, Kyle Moore, Jeremy Zuttah, Quincy Black, Geno Hayes and others. Added to that mixture the 11 players drafted, including the 3 top picks, 5 of which come from a very deep class.

A softer schedule- while we dont know which teams the Bucs will play will improve or which will fall from graces and be easier than expected. But all in all, we wont have to play the entire NFC East in the first month either! Games vs the NFC West are traditionally softer in recent years, and the two 'at large' games we acquired were also against last place teams.

After that, depending on how well the Bucs and their players do in 2010, we could see more action in a much deeper free agency pool in 2011 (Owners vs Players battles not withstanding) and perhaps less emphasis on a weaker draft.

Are the Glazers fully without any blame in this mess? In a 3-13 season, blame goes all around. They had their hands dirty in the 2004 and 2006 rebuilds by Free Agents. They knew it went against their blueprint yet they allowed it to happen.

They say they want to pay money to their core group of players, yet Barrett Ruud remains unsigned. That smells of cheapness, and is something that needs to be addresses immediately, if Ruud fits in their long term plans. If he does not, then clearly Donald Penn doesnt either. He too must have his situation looked into. If your going to tell us your not cheap, then don't show us signs that you are. It sends mixed messages and makes it hard to defend you when you are doing things the right way.                               

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Nobody is suggesting that the Glazers want to lose. I simply think they believe they can win by spending less. You can’t dispute that they are spending less money. Also, economic situations DO change and people are forced to examine what they are spending money on. The same is true with the organization.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by MNeilson on Mar 25, 2010 8:51 AM EDT reply actions  

There are plenty of people who suggest the Glazers dont have their heart into winning.

The afternoon radio show on 1040 I think it was, plainly had that message. Maybe its not prevalent on here, But its around.

Top Draft needs 2010: DT, WR, DE

by Niko Houllis on Mar 25, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's too easy say we didn't draft well and hence aren't spending

Because for now, neither Penn nor Ruud have been re-signed and they’re certainly deserving. They have a chance to spend that money on drafted players, but they’re not doing it.

by Sander on Mar 25, 2010 9:12 AM EDT reply actions  

They did make a big play for Haynesworth

and thankfully that didn’t pan out, just heard he is skipping OTAs with the new Shanahan regime in charge.

I think the Glazers are just going about it like a business, will it backfire with guys like Ruud and Penn having their mind elsewhere. We will see. I guess I can’t blame the Glazers from being gunshy about giving out some decent size contracts to FA or their own guys after the Clayton and McCown ones.

by ronnydobbs on Mar 25, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know they're running a business

I’m just saying – there have been very few draft picks worthy of new contracts, but the ones that are worthy of new contracts aren’t getting them.

by Sander on Mar 25, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is where the Glazers are gambling

due to the extra Restricted years thanks to the CBA expiring, they are just doing the year to year thing. There has to be some sort of motive why they are not wanting to guarantee money to Ruud or Penn. The draft could be what they are waiting for when dealing with these two on new contracts.

by ronnydobbs on Mar 25, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ruud can and should be easily replaced by Spikes, no gamble there.

Penn isn’t the greatest but he has gotten better, so it is a gamble to lose him. They’re gonna wait out the lockout season regardless.

I am NOT negative.

by bucnut1 on Mar 25, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats a good point Bucnut,

they seem to feel Ruud is not giving them what they want, and I think that is the leadership role that just doesnt fit his personality.

Top Draft needs 2010: DT, WR, DE

by Niko Houllis on Mar 25, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your missing Dobbs point which is an excellent one.

If you are going to trust in the draft, then you need to stick with those players over the longer haul. Ruud’s oveall play in his career is worth a new contract. He had an average season last year, but you still need to lock up talent. Not every draft pick is the next leader like DB.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by MNeilson on Mar 25, 2010 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ruud had a lot of tackles, but

they were 7 yards down the field. His responsibility as a MLB is to read the play and get to the ball as fast as possible. I know our DL wasn’t as good as it should have been, but by the time he made the tackle, the ball carrier had already run 14 yards. His decision making is just not fast enough, he gets confused and lost. This should not happen with any starting MLB in the NFL, and for those reasons alone I think we need to draft a MLB like Spikes. We could end up with an eye gouger and a sucker puncher in this draft, sweet.

I am NOT negative.

by bucnut1 on Mar 26, 2010 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

read the last part of my story please.

and not every player drafted from 1995-1999 ended up sticking with the club. Some guys didnt fit the bill.

No one here knows what the problem is with Ruud, but its clear the Bucs are not all that super happy with him.

Top Draft needs 2010: DT, WR, DE

by Niko Houllis on Mar 26, 2010 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're underestimating Ruud

He wasn’t stellar in run defense last year and never was, but he wasn’t horrible either. However, the guy is great dropping into coverage, which is a key attribute in a Tampa 2 MLB. He has a lot of talent, and there’s just no way the Bucs shouldn’t be able to fit him into his defense.

by Sander on Mar 26, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

ronny he is skipping it cause last year he did Washington work out last year and did not like the results he going back to what he did with the Titans he would of been a huge pick up for us

by keysersoze19 on Mar 25, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

He does not want to plat NT in the WAS 3-4 switch

but he sat down with Shanahan and talked about it. Not sure what that means long term, but they are talking at least.

by Cracker Ball on Mar 25, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, he does. The idea of being constantly double-teamed

doesn’t appeal to him for some reason. We should toss a trade scenario their way, but after the draft.

by Cracker Ball on Mar 26, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

He wants to stay as a 4-3 DT, not a NT in 3-4

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by Buc Wild on Mar 26, 2010 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are they asking for?

Without that knowledge it’s hard to say they are deserving. Neither are all pro type players. I like Penn and think he has room for improvement. Hopefully he turn’s into a dominant force. Rudd is nice. I really don’t see him as a star. Just a nice, solid MLB. Listening to him talk it sound’s as if he may value himself more. Maybe they are both asking for more than the Bucs think they are worth. Many team’s are doing the exact same thing. Team like the Cowboy’s that nobody can accuse of being cheap. With the labor situation up in the air team’s aren’t going to lock guy’s up for big money if they can get them cheaper after the new deal is struck. That’s just being smart. It’s hardly evidence of being cheap. Now if this team improves and they still aren’t signing guy’s then I start to worry.

"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."

by SoonerSlayer on Mar 25, 2010 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it is a case of Penn and Ruud asking for too much

But we can’t know that, because we don’t know anything about what goes on behind the scenes. All I have to go on is what I see, and that is that they aren’t being resigned, while they certainly are above average players they need to keep.

by Sander on Mar 25, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good Piece Niko

Reminds me of all the pain the last couple years…. All of a sudden I hear “The Crying Game” by The Culture Club in the background :(

by BucfaninAZ on Mar 25, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Great piece

The Glazer’s are cheap is already getting tired. Their blame in all of this lies with giving Gruden/Allen too much power. They did a good job of clearing cap space. That’s it. We had to start over. Our franchise was talentless. You can’t come back from that buying free agent’s. Hasn’t Snyder alway’s done that. The strategy has gotten them nowhere. I actually think this is an exciting time to be a Buc’s fan. This draft has the potential to reshape the franchise. I have every confidence the Glazer’s will spend when it’s smart to do so.

"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."

by SoonerSlayer on Mar 25, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

If anything that is the best part of all this.

I would probably disagree with you on several front, but power has been balanced out. That is not debatable.

"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"

by MNeilson on Mar 25, 2010 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts Niko, and for trying to present both sides of the coin.

There are just a couple of things that jumped out at me while reading it:

1. People do change, especially when before their primary focus was on this team back then, and now it is in England.
2. Antrell Rolle and Karlos Dansby are 27, 28 respectively.
3. Of the blowout games you listed, none of them were “supposed” to be blowouts. If people think that their team is going to lose, and that the outcome is probably already predetermined they are less likely to attend the games.
4. The lack of an extension for Ruud and Penn are especially unsettling, because even if we do decide to go in a different direction they are both valuable assets. Re-signing them would assure that even though they may not be with us, we will get some return on our investment in them thus far.

The scary thing is that we probably won’t have much time on our hands to pursue any free agents next year because of all the current players on the roster that are due to be free agents as well. Let’s take a look at them. I wrote this in the comments section of another post, which I have copy and pasted below.

2010 RFAs:

Cadillac Williams
Donald Penn
Jeremy Trueblood
Elbert Mack
Barrett Ruud
Clifton Smith (ERFA)
Maurice Stovall
A few other nominal players that may not make the roster.

All of the players above are RFAs this year and most likely starters. The front office has neglected re-negotiate ANY of their contracts. Doesn’t it seem silly not to lock them up now while we have no competition to drive the price up? By letting all of these guys test the open market we are going to have to pay a much steeper price for them if we want to keep them.

Now lets look at some of the guys hitting the free agent market in 2011. Please remember this includes all the UFA’s listed above, but we can also add:

2011 UFAs

Tanard Jackson
Davin Joseph
Arron Sears
Jerramy Stevens
Quincy Black
Sabby Piscitelli
Chris Hovan
Adam Hayward
John Gilmore
Ronde Barber

By my count that is 17 players that we will have to re-sign from what is likely going to be a bad team. There is no way to fill all of those holes through the draft. Drafting a non-bust like Tanard Jackson is great but it doesn’t mean anything if they won’t shell out the cash to keep him. You can’t field a team of players under the age of 26 and expect to be successful in the NFL.

Couple this with having to come to terms with the entire 2011 draft class and you have a recipe for disaster. Many think that some of the contracts will be negotiated between now and then, but until we actually re-sign some of these guys I will continue to be concerned.

"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann

by LeeCaz on Mar 25, 2010 1:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Lee,

1) Show me where Man U has taken precedent over the Bucs. Im starting to see that no one believes that anymore.
2)Your correct about their ages. But what would it take to get them here? How many draft picks are we going to have to give up? See what Im saying? They are TOO expensive.
3)You didnt think the Saints were going to pound us? Now the Giants was 50/50, we played poorly vs the Bills, and NY came in with a good team. As for the Jets, no, they were 6-5 I think. Of co urse afterwards we know they went on to the AFC Championship game.

Top Draft needs 2010: DT, WR, DE

by Niko Houllis on Mar 25, 2010 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, Here we go:

1. Man U takes precedence because of the extreme difference in money involved. Hell, they sold Ronaldo for what equates to $118M. That’s more than our payroll last year by itself.

2. It wouldn’t cost any draft picks. They were UFA’s. With the third lowest payroll in the NFL and no salary cap, A 27 year old pro bowl player shouldn’t be too expensive no matter how much he costs. I think Dansby and Rolle are both worth the contracts they got.

3. I’m not talking about each game individually. The fans expected to lose every game after we started 0-5. If most people feel like the team is sure to lose then they aren’t going to go buy tickets, or even attend the game if they already have tickets for that matter. How many season ticket holders quit going last year? Judging by the loads of empty seats, quite a few. I went to the Green Bay game because I wanted to see Freeman’s first start and the Creamsicles, but I was perfectly content to watch every other game at home for the rest of the season.

"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann

by LeeCaz on Mar 25, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Concern is fine

I can see why fan’s are concerned. There just doesn’t seem to be any actual evidence that Man U is costing the Bucs time/attention/money. You can interpret thing’s that way. You can also go the other way. If this team doesn’t show steady progress, on and off the field, then I will be concerned. This is year 2 of the rebuilding plan. It seem’s premature to be signing big time free agent’s, especially when you consider the unsettled labor situation. With the team pointing to this draft it makes sense to see where we stand when it’s over. Then we will be in a lot better position to figure exactly what holes need to be filled. I fully expect the Buc’s to be active next off season. If they are not, or if the team doesn’t improve, then I will be ready to jump off their bandwagon. We have to see progress. We also have to at least give them a chance to work the plan.

"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."

by SoonerSlayer on Mar 25, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

sooner, good points..

you build a house with foundations first, then you add the nice stuff. Or at least you know where you forgot to poor the concrete!

Top Draft needs 2010: DT, WR, DE

by Niko Houllis on Mar 26, 2010 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can go along with just about everything except the Man U part...

But I cannot really sit here and say I KNOW whats up with that side of the coin, because I dont. I dont see Man U as a priority, mostly because most Brits I talk to think THE BUCS are the damn priority and their first love.

Top Draft needs 2010: DT, WR, DE

by Niko Houllis on Mar 26, 2010 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please don't bring Ronaldo into this

The guy is an exception for several reasons:
1) He’s a great player, although I hate his whining ass.
2) There’s only one team in the entire world who would pay that kind of money for any player. Real Madrid is like the Redskins of soccer. That kind of money does not get spent normally and it was a huge move. Everyone thought Real Madrid had gone nuts, and they still do.
3) While trades are expensive, contracts in soccer usually aren’t expensive. This is because there’s no draft, so players either get traded for other players or for monetary value since there’s nothing else to trade for. The payroll isn’t much different from NFL payrolls and would be lower rather than higher.
4) Manchester United is usually on the spending side of those big trades, not the receiving side. The way it works is that players develop with losing and lower-tier teams, then work their way up until the very top, each time getting traded. There is no parity in soccer and some teams are and always will be miles above the rest, simply because they have much more money to spend. Manchester United is one of those teams, so they’ll generally be buying players from lower-tier teams.

by Sander on Mar 26, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I could care less about Ronaldo or soccer.

The reason I brought him up is to show the difference in total investment. The difference in money involved would make me think that they are the priority.

"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann

by LeeCaz on Mar 27, 2010 11:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I know

Which is why I wrote that post to debunk that conception. The total money involved isn’t that different at all, since the Ronaldo trade is an exception not a rule, the payroll is much cheaper than NFL payrolls and they’ll generally be spending money rather than earning money on trades.

by Sander on Mar 27, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of that list above, I would only worry about signing 4 names

Jackson, Joseph, Sears and Black. The replaceable rest are welcome to test the market.

by Cracker Ball on Mar 25, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

But cheap owners...

I was the head of the Eric Berry bandwagon- Im sad to say its over.
Puffy Rod's Bandwagon continues forever.
New head of the Matthew Barnaby Bandwagon!!!

by 4QB on Mar 25, 2010 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

England and Tampa

Are probably not their primary conserns. They have a bunch of businesses. England and Tapma will make money, there other businesses need more attention I am sure. All of the businesses run independent of eachother, just like any holding company. WHat they said yesterday made sense. I am sure you will see Penn signed, and they may wait on Rudd. We have no idea of what is going on behind the scenes with the the labor issues, which probably plays a large role in not signing players. The entire league is pretty quite.

by McBuc on Mar 26, 2010 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

They are playing their cards right

What the Bucs are doing is not just building through the draft or signing big time free agents cause thats short lived and yea you can hit sometimes during the draft but not all the time the draft is a risk that means it does not work all the time ,with big time free agents comes big time money, to be blunt you can have your whole player salary on 4 or 5 players alone, what the bucs are doing is playing their cards right getting the right mix through the draft and free agency that’s part of rebuilding and this is how they want to build their team when you look at if it works and it has worked Vikings and Pittsburgh and both teams took this approach ,when they signed their Big time free agents they were in position to win the Superbowl you are on point NIKO with Rudd think about Hardy Nickerson a Pro Bowl type middle linebacker that did not sign back with the Bucs cause of their situation it seems like that with Rudd all over again so yea stay patient be happy with what we done we gave up nothing for one of the best Tightends in the game

by keysersoze19 on Mar 25, 2010 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Ruud is no Nickerson

and he will get paid $$. Probably not what he feels he’s worth, but probably fairly.

by Cracker Ball on Mar 25, 2010 6:52 PM EDT reply actions  

OH CRACKER BALL....we are without a doubt on the same side now.

“Mr Ruud, I knew Hardy Nickerson. Mr. Nickerson was a friend. Mr Ruud, You are no Hardy Nickerson!”

Top Draft needs 2010: DT, WR, DE

by Niko Houllis on Mar 26, 2010 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

OT: but did anyone read tis.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-Bucs-will-have-a-throwback-atmosphere-at-hom?urn=nfl,230222

I was the head of the Eric Berry bandwagon- Im sad to say its over.
Puffy Rod's Bandwagon continues forever.
New head of the Matthew Barnaby Bandwagon!!!

by 4QB on Mar 25, 2010 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

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Riddle me this?
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SB Nation 2012 Mock Draft
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Return of the FB
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Any word or progress on our OC/DC?
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Is there a quick fix to the Bucs defense?

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