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Still the one? Suh at the Combine...

Still the one? Suh at the Combine...

Rick Stroud reports for the St. Pete Times that Ndamukong Suh outperforms Gerald McCoy at the combine. Of course the word better is a subjective one, so read up on how he came to his conclusion.           
This should come as a surprise to no one; Suh is the overall better raw talent. It is doubtful the Buc will find themselves with a choice, so this probably does not matter, however either player would become an impact DT for the Bucs from game one right on up to retirement.                                                                                                                                                                      
Ira Kaufman of the Tampa Tribune talks with Bears coach Lovie Smith about the critical need of Defensive Tackles for Tampa Two's success.

Booger McFarland, Chartric Darby, Ellis Wyms, Jovan Haye, all took a shot at replacing Warren Sapp, and could not succeed. The Tampa Two, or any defense for that matter, works by getting pressure from your front four linemen. The DT position is key in the T2 as the entire Defensive Front's lineup is set up around a 3 technique, explosive, penetrating DT. Until the Bucs get one of these again, the Defense can never be dominant like it was from 1997-2003 when it set the NFL record for consecutive games with a sack.

A couple videos from yesteryear; One of CB Brian Kelly picking off Troy AIkman in 2000, and the other from 1989 with Vinny Testeverde throwing a TD to TE Ron Hall.

Ron Hall was an extraordinary football player, very quick for a Tight End as 209 receptions in 7 years with the Bucs shows. He came out of Hawaii the same year Vinny Testeverde did, the talented Bucs QB who came out of QB U (Miami, FL) in 1987 fresh with the hopes and dreams of all Bucs fans. He never lived up to those expectations playing on Bucs teams usually devoid of surrounding talent.  Brian Kelly may have been the more talented of the Bucs corners from the time he surpassed Donnie Abraham as the starter in 2001, but public perception has always been of his outstretched arms just short of deflecting away the TD pass to Ricky Proell in the 1999 NFC Championship game, where as Ronde Barber's image of running down the Vet with the Superbowl clinching Int TD return are forever embedded in our minds in the opposite way.                                                                                                                                                                     

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                 Roy Cummings says NFL Scouts are doing flips over USF's Pierre-Paul at the combine.

Pierre-Paul, much like every other player at the combine, is going to have a large portion of his draft status come from his efforts, or lack thereof, in Indianapolis. Any casual Bulls fan  knows that his increased exposure this year helped George Selvie become even more effective too. As stated, he could turn out to be another Jevon Kearse. There are several other DL he could turn out to be, none of which are in the same class as "The Freak".

Anwar S Richardson says Tennessee Safety Eric Berry claims to know the Bucs defensive playbook.

Again, no one should be surprised if  Berry becomes a Buccaneer on draft day. He has the recommendation of Bucs' Tampa Two co-creator Monte Kiffin, which is no small accolade. If he turns out to be another  Ed Reed like so many speculate, even the high picking position of 3 would  be worth it.                                                                 

For some equal air time, the pessimistic view of Antonio Bryant's release from the Bucs by Chris Bruno, who writes part time for www.Bucpower.com.

I could have lived with Bryant being brought back in 2010, just as easy as I can live with the decision to let him go. Only the latter makes more sense to me. You have a 22 year old franchise QB and you want to line up wide receivers that are going to be with him for a decade, not just 3 or 4 years. I get the feeling the Bucs will have a  Wide Receiver step up in 2010 as a quality starter; whether that is Stroughter, or a yet as unknown player. Good QBs tend to make good receivers, and vice versa. We know Randy Moss made Daunte Culppeper. We also Know Dan Marino made Clayton and Duper. Seeing how this plays out should be one of the better stories of  the '10 season.

Great collection of photos from the combine on NFL.com....

Bucs news or not; It would seem Darren Sproles is being given the opportunity to test free agency.

One would suspect the Bucs have enough running backs on the roster, but if any of them are to be used as trade bait for moving up in the draft, Sproles would be a good candidate for looking at. Each Bucs backfield runner has a good quality trait going for them, but they all seem to have something working against their favor too. Graham doesn't really have the speed to break one, neither does Cadillac who still has the injury stigma tied to him at least for another season. Smith can't be trusted not to fumble, and Ward was unable to take over the position last year when given the chance. This could go any number of ways, but it would be prudent for the Bucs to invest in a possible star tailback. 

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JPP top 5?

I wonder how his combine numbers were. Don’t have time to look now, supposed to be studying for a midterm.

Interesting though. If he’s really putting in the effort I wouldn’t be surprised if we did pick him up. Can’t say I’m thrilled by that, but the Bucs have a need at DE. Its a hell of a gamble.

by blackraven on Mar 2, 2010 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

He only did 19 reps on the bench

so he is pretty weak, but he did run a 4.6 something I think.

Berry just ran a 4.46 unofficial, Joe Haden ran a disappointing 5.57. He better hope he runs better the 2nd time.

Youth movement????

by LeeCaz on Mar 2, 2010 10:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

4.57

haha

Youth movement????

by LeeCaz on Mar 2, 2010 10:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Copied from another thread where I posted this.

On 2nd attempt hit 4.40 Holy crap. Anyone have any concerns now about his speed? If he falls to us, I see a nice little chess piece we can move around.

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by Buc Wild on Mar 2, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Bummer for CB Joe Haden...

He ran a 4.57 and backed it up with a 4.60. Ouch.

by Cracker Ball on Mar 2, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

A couple of million dollars lost

in less than 5 seconds. I am getting more intrigued with Berry as a corner. He has elite speed, strength to battle bigger receivers and play’s the ball well. I also like corner’s who can tackle. He can do that as well.

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by SoonerSlayer on Mar 2, 2010 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Awesome.

Haden ran 4.60 the 2nd time. Maybe he is trying to fall to us in the 2nd round.

Youth movement????

by LeeCaz on Mar 2, 2010 11:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I am sure Haden will improve his speed at the Gator pro day on the 17th and everything will be back to normal again.

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by Hook85 on Mar 4, 2010 2:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Awesome.

Haden ran 4.60 the 2nd time. Maybe he is trying to fall to us in the 2nd round.

Youth movement????

by LeeCaz on Mar 2, 2010 11:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That's exactly the point I was trying to make

in my Berry preview…we know he’s a great player with terrific instincts and abilities, but this confirms he has the recovery and straightline speed to play ANY position in the secondary. At least, I guarantee you that’s what many GMs are thinking right now.

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by Craig T on Mar 2, 2010 11:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Oh, I have no question as to what you meant.

This was more for the people who wanted to debate his 40 time and talk about him not being as good as advertised.

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by Buc Wild on Mar 2, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus Berry's speed and recovery skills

mean we can put him anywhere on the field. I’m getting a bit more intrigued now with what we could do with him.

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by Buc Wild on Mar 2, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I know you did.

but some people apparently didn’t.

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by Craig T on Mar 2, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

4.47 officially for Berry

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by Buc Wild on Mar 2, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

He can probably increase upper body.

Thanks for looking up the numbers, appreciate it. The running speed is nice, but he needs more upper body strength to get off those linemen. Its possible he could do well, but as I said its a gamble. April will tell. He’ll definitely make some bank though.

by blackraven on Mar 2, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Can we put the Sapp comparison's

to bed now. Neither of these guy’s come close speed wise. McCoy come’s close in term’s of quickness. Suh is a lot stronger. Just all seem like different player’s. I will stay take McCoy. He can play run and pass like Suh. I just think he is quicker and will be the better pass rusher. Suh relied more on brute strength to rush the passer in college. While he will still be very strong he won’t be able to push guy’s around the same way. He will have to develop more moves. McCoy just seem’s more ready to step right in to this defense.

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by SoonerSlayer on Mar 2, 2010 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

I'd have to agree.

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by Craig T on Mar 2, 2010 11:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed-McCoy fits right In better

…but Sapp is the guy who played that position best, just like the next Brooks, lynch, etc

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by Niko Houllis on Mar 2, 2010 12:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Marino did make Duper

And Moss did make Culpepper, but we have nothing close to either of them right now. Bottom line…Bryant makes this team better and is not too old to have surpassed his usefulness or not fit with the "youth movement.

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by Craig T on Mar 2, 2010 11:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Could we have a sleeper

In Kareem Huggins?

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by Craig T on Mar 2, 2010 11:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Only highlight video i could find:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxQTDBmWCKA

definitely a burner, I hope we can give him a look in the preseason.

by rjblitz02 on Mar 2, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Mays just ran 4.24

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by Buc Wild on Mar 2, 2010 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

Say whaaa?

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by Craig T on Mar 2, 2010 11:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yea, big dude running that fast

he just helped himself.

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by Buc Wild on Mar 2, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

They just said on 620 WDAE

that he ran it 3 times at that speed.

(head explodes)

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by Craig T on Mar 2, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

It has been cahnged to a 4.43 officially

Still impressive, but not as mindbending as 4.24

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by Buc Wild on Mar 2, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

What is the difference between official or unofficial? Does some guy review the run on tape and correct it. Or was the 4.24 run just a practice so it doesnt count, just as if a guy ran a 4.7 its not supposed to count against him?

Either way, if you ran a 4.24 whether it be a practice run or not, thats still CRAZY. I dont care if he can tackle, someone will have to teach him.

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by Hook85 on Mar 4, 2010 2:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Unofficial = fully hand-timed

Official = hand-started, electronically timed. The variance is due to the inaccuracy of human timing.

I have no clue, whatsoever, why the official times take that much time to get out and why they won’t switch to fully electronic timing.

by Sander on Mar 4, 2010 7:58 AM EST up reply actions  

There's a big issue going around right now (based on Taylor Mays)

and the official vs unofficial. How someone goes from 4.24 to 4.43 is just weird. I hope that they can clean it up. Every team times players differently.

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by Buc Wild on Mar 4, 2010 8:24 AM EST up reply actions  

The problem is hand-timing

It’s truly ridiculous that they still use hand-timing, even for starts. It just creates a lot of unnecessary inaccuracy in 40 times.

by Sander on Mar 4, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

And it’s amazing that some teams will completely shuffle their draft boards based on this.

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by Buc Wild on Mar 4, 2010 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

They just showed tape of Mays

and he looks lost on the football field.

by ronnydobbs on Mar 2, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Think Price ran around 5.3 but...

 have 34 reps at bench press. Didn’t really help himself with the speed though.

by Cracker Ball on Mar 2, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a disappointing time for sure

I thought he was fairly quick. Beast on the bench though. That’s more than Suh, right? He did like 32?

by aakks on Mar 2, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Think so.

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by Craig T on Mar 2, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Some guys have game speed...

Hope that’s the case with Price. I felt he could be someone bucs could consider if Suh, McCoy are gone, probably not 1st rd

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by Niko Houllis on Mar 2, 2010 12:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I hope he falls out of the first, honestly

I’d be pretty happy with Berry at 3 and Price in the 2nd… Mmm…

by aakks on Mar 2, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

35th pick?

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by Craig T on Mar 2, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Patrick Robinson just ran 4.42

Myron Rolle hit 4.69 (damnit)

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by Buc Wild on Mar 2, 2010 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

Second time around

P-Rob – 4.49

Myron Rolle – 4.68

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by Buc Wild on Mar 2, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Earl Thomas

4.53 and 4.44

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by Buc Wild on Mar 2, 2010 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

Not bad.

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by Craig T on Mar 2, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

That speed for Earl Thomas is plenty fast enough

to be a FS. Still like him and Berry. Kinda of a win/win.

by Cracker Ball on Mar 2, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

If we trade down

he would be my target. Dude is a playmaker. Not as polished as Berry since he is leaving after sophmore year. But he has a nose for the ball and know’s what to do when he get’s it. He could also cover WR’s one on one. The only negative I saw with him was occasional bad angles and over aggressiveness. IF he improves those area’s he will be an all-pro.

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by SoonerSlayer on Mar 2, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Bucs news or not; It would seem Darren Sproles is being given the opportunity to test free agency.

I dont mind Buc shots with OT news, I actually enjoy it.

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by Hook85 on Mar 4, 2010 2:04 AM EST reply actions  

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