Rumor - Bucs and Broncos looking to swap first rounders (#3 and #11) in which the Bucs would also net.............Brandon Marshall.
It is just a rumor at this point. Here's a link (thanks to CubFanRaysAddict)
Heard on 620 AM and per other sources.
almost 2 years ago
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Is the link down for anybody else?
I just tried to go back and it is saying the server is down. Haha the B.S. rumor caused so many hits that it crashed the guys site? Hilarious.
"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann
Try this one is from 620WDAE
it references the report and the author also states that after contacting the webmaster he was told ‘he was very confident in his source’.
by CubFanRaysaddict on Mar 16, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
How can you not trust a site
with a poll like this?
Does Mike Holmgren look like a Walrus? Yes / No
I mean this HAS to be legit!
Its funny 'cause its true...
Just remember to not leave your oysters lying about while in CLE.
by Cracker Ball on Mar 16, 2010 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If he looked like a Walrus, I would do it myself
and take the consequences. Possibly just a stern warning.
by Cracker Ball on Mar 16, 2010 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You know, I don't know what to say abou this trade.
This entire time, all I have wanted was to make sure we get one of the 2 big DT’s with our 3rd round pick. But to get a proven WR like Marshall that we know isn’t a bust for swapping our 1st round picks, kind of entices me.
The only question I have regarding the trade, is the fact that it says other draft picks are in questions. I would have to know what the other draft picks were. If they are saying to swap 1st rounders and give them one of our second rounders, I don’t know if I agree with that. But if it was another swap of our 2nd rounders, or trading a 4th as well, I might not mind the trade.
I know it is going to be mentioned about Marshall’s baggage he can bring, but I am actually not that worried about that. We would be able to give him the money he is asking, and we have (in the last few years) taken quite a few people with said baggage and they were able to drop it all for the most part so far.
To add a little bit more...
My other question would be, if we were to do this trade, who would we be looking at with the #11 pick. I would have said that we would be looking at Berry if he was still there, but according to the article, that is who the Broncos are looking at.
by IBleedPewter on Mar 16, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The only one i can really thing
of is PRICE out of UCLA
by shadowchicken on Mar 16, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
This is a tough one.
Assuming we thought we could get Berry, Price or other impact DT/DB, I think you have to pull the trigger. Of course, it all depends on the other compensation they want. If they want us to switch #1’s and give up a 2nd, that might be too steep. I realize Im just spitballing but we could swap first rounders, get Marshall, and then see about swapping our new #1 (#11 pick) and our first second rounder to move up to #5-9 and grab Suh, McCoy or Berry. That means for the price of a 1st and 2nd rounder we got an impact WR (Marshall) and an impact DT or DB (our three draft targets). Thats a heckuva haul with our two picks and better than what we could expect to get otherwise.
I like the way you are thinking
If this is true, and if what you say would be possible, that would be one hell of an off season combo.
Totally agree with your thinking, but
I would make the trade, then package the #11 and one or both our second round picks for the number 2 pick and get Suh or McCoy. I don’t think either are around for picks 5 thru 9 so I’d go right at Detroit at number 2 and trade the 3 picks to guarantee one of the DTs. We still have 7 more picks in rounds 3 – 7, but we have our number 1 receiver for the next 6 years and our D-line anchor for the next decade.
Buc'em if they can't take a joke.
by PalmBeachBucco on Mar 16, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
My first reaction was also Berry at 11
until I read the article. So who will it be?
by bucfanlostiniowa on Mar 16, 2010 8:40 AM EDT reply actions
It could still be Dline
Dan Williams
JPP
Brian Price
Depending on the other draft picks involved I would be okay with it. But of course it is just a rumor.
Derrick Morgan
FTW.
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GOOD THING IT’S A RUMOR
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by WE GOING TO THE SHIP on Mar 16, 2010 8:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
No offense to Mr. Zobel
but I doubt sons random blog like that has any inside information. He even says “I’m reporting”. Whoopedy doo. That possible trade has been discussed amongst our readers a few times already. This is exactly how idiotic rumors get started. Next thing you know this will be reported on ESPN as a “source” and this guys little blog gets ten thousand hits. I will believe it when I see it.
"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann
by LeeCaz on Mar 16, 2010 8:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
For sure
Just wanted everyone to know that the source (if that blog is the original source) is not credible at all.
I’m reporting that the Giants and Chargers are in talks about reversing their former draft day trade. If completed this trade would send Eli Manning back to San Diego and Rivers to NY. Stay posted on the situation by visiting Buc ’eM at least four times a day for the considerable future.
I hope I make it on the radio in San Diego.
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by LeeCaz on Mar 16, 2010 9:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I also doubt this rumor,
But it would be fun to consider, especially under the scenario proposed above by BW.
Cannons... fire them.
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by Craig T on Mar 16, 2010 9:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea, this is a slow time of year, especially when your team isn't spending.
I wouldn’t ever make up a rumor, but if someone else spits it out, I don’t see any harm in linking to a known rumor, noting it as such, and then playing a little armchair GM.
I agree
but I don’t want to give up either of our second rounders either. Maybe trade picks and a 4th round pick. I doubt they trade Marshall just to move up 8 spots. He is worth way more than that IMO.
"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann
by LeeCaz on Mar 16, 2010 9:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Marshall isn't right for us imo
Problem players are the last thing we need with a developing quarterback. I would have MUCH rather have made a move for Boldin. I would absolutely hate it if we pulled the trigger on this trade, even as an even swap of 1st with no additional picks.
Marshall is a true #1 Receiver
Boldin is a complimentary number 2 receiver, he doesn’t have the speed to stretch the field and will most likely be a possession receiver in another 2 seasons. Marshall is younger, faster, bigger and stretches the field.
Buc'em if they can't take a joke.
by PalmBeachBucco on Mar 16, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Boldin is a reliable target
I am not questioning Marshall’s skills. I am saying his off the field issues and personality are the last thing this team needs right now.
Hmm
I really want one of the DTs or Berry but Marshall is a proven player and will help Freeman becomes a better QB. If all it costs is to move down to 11 to get Marshall it is well worth it. The draft is very deep in DTs and we can get one that will contribute. Obviously they will not be at the level of Suh and McCoy but whoever it is will be pretty good.
I say if McClain is there we go after him even thought Linebacker is not the biggest need of the team. Other players I would be okay with are Dan Williams, DT from Tenn, or CJ Spiller, RB from Clem. Some people may not like Spiller because the need at HB is a not to high but if we are going to go with a RB by committee we need to bring in a fast back that can break long runs. Right now we have three backs that are a lot alike and Spiller could be a god change of pace.
I think the most likely situation, if we would do this trade, is to go with Pierre-Paul if he is still there because I have heard the team likes him. I would not be a big fan of this because he is a project at DE but then again I hated the pick of Freeman and now I like it a lot so it all depends on how they play.
I pretty much hate everything about this possible trade
by aakks on Mar 16, 2010 9:01 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I hope this is sarcasm.
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I hope this is true
But I have a difficult time believing a blogsite with a grammatical error in the masthead. “More accurate then ESPN” . . . haha, really? Still, I hope this is true. There are a number of players available at No. 11 to address one of the Bucs’ many needs.
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Ohh man
That is horrible. I can see the then/than mistake in an article but when its the phrase of the site it is pretty awful.
How could you not do this deal?
If we could get Marshall and someone like Derrick Morgan, Rolando McClain or Sergio Kindle at #11?
Our offense AND defense would be dramatically upgraded in 1 round.
Too steep of a price
to pay. I see some speculating that we would have to give up more. I disagree. They would have to pay more, imo, to move up that far. They have been trying to dump Marshall for some time. There is obviously not a lot of team’s beating down their door with great offers. 11 to 3 is a significant jump. Your basically paying a 1st round pick for Marshall. No thank’s. Now if they throw in a 2nd and 5th to go along with Marshall I would be on board. He come’s with baggage. If this is true, which is questionable, I would think the Broncos are trying to rip us off. That is the problem with our WR’s. Everyone know’s we have the worst group in the NFL. That’s going to make it hard for us to get a fair deal.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Mar 16, 2010 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I understand what you're saying but...
It allows our owners to spend less money on a top draft pick. There is plenty of talent still on the board at #11.
Yeah, because in such a deep draft
You wouldn’t trade down for a #1 Wr and a pretty high pick.
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to some other guy who does not care
I understand what you are saying. The reason I say I’d like it to stay a rumor is because I firmly believe that St. Louis is going to take Sam Bradford and that Detroit is going to take Russell Okung, which gives us………….Ndamukong Suh.
Hey man! D'you touch my drumset?
by captainfear88 on Mar 16, 2010 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
This would be the dumbest move ever. Our D is broken, it needs to be fixed.
We will never win a shootout because the other teams will just run all over us like they did last year. If they don’t take Suh or McCoy, I will end up being banned for the things I will have to say.
HIBERNATION NATION
as will I
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by captainfear88 on Mar 16, 2010 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Ugh
You give up 3rd overall and lose so much.
You keep the 3rd, and now we don’t have Brandon Marshall.
Where can i sign up to play receiver…?
Agreed.
It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation.
We can upgrade our line but hurt Freeman’s progress by not having anyone to throw to.
Marshall isn't worth the #3 and if they really want him, they'd figure something else out.
Giving up on Suh/McCoy is not an option.
HIBERNATION NATION
We're not just giving up our 3rd pick
And this draft is pretty loaded. A lot of talent will still be on the board at 11.
Would you rather have McCoy/Berry (Suh isn’t going to be available) and our horrible receivers or somebody like McClain/Kindle/Derrick Morgan and Brandon Marshall?
Who says Suh won't be there? St Louis is taking Bradford, Detroit is taking Okung.
I’m not willing to pass on some potentially special players like Suh and McCoy for a middle of the pack 1st rounder that will never come close to what Suh and McCoy can do. I would love to see Brandon Marshall here, but would much rather see Suh or McCoy in Pewter.
HIBERNATION NATION
What if Suh and McCOy go #1 and 2?
I dont get your comparison. The Bucs wouldve been better off (using your example) if they had slid down instead of staying put at #4. They would also still have a first round selection.
Im not saying its the right move and I certainly dont pull the trigger until draft day. A lot can happen between now and then. I wait until the last minute and see all the deals in front of me and see who has been taken. Why limit your choices by deciding now?
IF Suh and McCoy go 1 and 2, then it's a different story and I think it would be a good move.
Then we could pick up Price with the 11th pick. But we’re most likely going to get to pick between Suh and McCoy at #3.
With Peterson and Adams. Which would you rather have (had)?
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HIndsight
Im not saying we make the move at all, and I am definitely saying dont pull the trigger today. But you have to look at marginal values and costs. Is sliding down 8 picks worth it to pick up a top tier WR and above average DT, or does it provide more to pick up a supposed stud DT? Suh/McCoy helps our DL more than Price (presumably), but we get no additional value.
Im making these figures up, but lets say Suh/McCoy is worth 2 extra wins per year, Marshall is worth 1.3 wins and Price (or whomever we take at #11) is worth .8-1 wins per year. It makes sense to go after Marshall then. If you deem Suh/McCoy to be worth more aggregate wins than the combo, then you stay put, its not black and white unless you know those figures.
I agree with you, but also believe that defense wins championships, so we're better off going after Suh/McCoy in that order.
HIBERNATION NATION
Teams win championships, nto just defenses.
We both have examples. We need to do whats best for the team. We have the best defense for years running and won 1 title, so the best defense doesnt always win.
Make that great defense just average, and see how may championships we have. 0
Not only that, we’d be a bad team for many of those years too.
HIBERNATION NATION
Then trade during our allowed time.
Denver wants Berry, Not Suh or McCoy.
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by captainfear88 on Mar 16, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
To do that without Marshall included
would cost the Broncos 2 1st round pick’s, maybe more. I can’t see how we can justify giving up the equivalent of a 1st round pick for Brandon Marshall. Nobody else in the league seem’s willing to pay that price. Especially in this draft. We very well could get a star at 11. But the chances are much greater at 3. Someone will have to blow us away with a trade to move out. The most likely to do that is a team chasing a QB. Hopefully we can find a sucker.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Mar 16, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
We can justify giving up our first round pick if....
We can get a stud WR and STILL have a first round pick at the 11 spot.
Listen, DT isn’t the only position that the Bucs need serious help at. Marshall would give Freeman confidence as a young QB. Plus, we can upgrade our defense with our first pick.
If we didn’t do this trade, we would get Suh/McCoy/Berry but still be VERY thin at wide receiver.
I get that
It’s just doesn’t make sense to get ripped off because you like a player. I am sure a lot of team’s would trade us good player’s if we overpay. We would also immediately have to pay Marshall. Factor in everything and I am sure the Broncos would love this trade. They have been trying to dump the guy for over a year now. Why should we pay a premium? There is no bidding war. Let them up the ante. This likely all a moot point. I seriously doubt the article. It’s fun to talk about though.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Mar 16, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't really think we're over paying.
Moving 8 spots isn’t that drastic. Plus, we would avoid paying top dollar to an unproven top 5 pick.
Basically, we could transfer the money that we would have spent on the 3rd pick and put it into Marshall & the 11th pick.
I know it’s not exactly comparing apples to apples, but it would avoid making Suh/McCoy/Berry the richest guy on defense
If we read the article a different way also, it could be a different take.
It says in the article that other draft picks have also been discussed. As SoonerSlayer stated, it sometimes takes 2 1st rounders to move up to the pick we have. Well what if those extra picks they were talking about in the article weren’t us giving them to the Broncos, but them giving it to us. Not only would we get a proven WR. A good pick at 11 in this talent full draft. But another pick to add to our 10 we already have.
by IBleedPewter on Mar 16, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
I just checked the Draft Trade Value Chart (I know it is not gospel) and it basically says to move up to #3 you have to have something like the #11 and #17 picks. So that would mean that the Bucs value Marshall as a #17 overall, which I doubt so that could mean the additional picks are coming from Denver.
Still a rumor though.
I'm still not a fan of bringing in Marshall
but I’d feel a lot better about it if we got another decent pick (2nd or 3rd at least) in the process.
Thanks
I was to lazy to look it up. That at least confirm’s what a bad trade it would be for the Bucs without the Broncos sweetening the pot. You also have to consider that this is one of the deepest draft’s ever. That put’s pick’s at a premium.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Mar 16, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
If this is happening, then the Bucs could counter that the Broncos value Marshall as the #32 pick since the dropped a 1st round tender on him and if N.O. were to sign him then they would give up that pick. So that would be 590+1250 = 1840 and the #3 = 2200 so that is a difference of 260 which is the value of the 2nd overall in the 3rd round.
It could be the 11th overall, BM, and the Broncos 3rd rounder.
That makes more sense
I would like to see if we could squeeze a 2nd out of them. They likely wouldn’t go for that. But getting their 3rd would give us 6 of the top 100 pick’s plus Marshall. I don’t think I could turn that down.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Mar 16, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
you never know.
We are all looking at this year also, but they may be able to squeeze a 4th from this year and a 2nd from next. There are too many formulas where draft picks are involved, but I would definitley want their 11th, Marshall and at least a 3rd for this year.
by IBleedPewter on Mar 16, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I was just running the numbers
with the highest picks possible for this year according to the chart to give perspective. I would rather have the 4th this year and second rounder next year along with the 11th over and BM. But this would be a freaking win for the Bucs dropping eight positions to get BM and a 3rd rounder or equivalent value.
I would be pretty shocked if we don't upgrade our wide receivers by the start of the season.
And I’m not talking about drafting someone in the second round.
Well, for those that wanted us to take dez Bryant at #3
this rumored trade of swapping 1st Round choices ( #3 for #11) and getting a productive proven receiver is the better of those two scenarios. At least we know what we are getting – Dez is still a mystery.
by Cracker Ball on Mar 16, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Well they let one AB go, and they didn't even try for another AB for cheap. Why bring in Marshall? He's probably gonna want more money than the AB's, and he's a headache.
HIBERNATION NATION
True about being a headache.
But we have picked up headaches before, and they have turned out alright. On top of that, even though he has problems, he is still a proven top rated WR.
by IBleedPewter on Mar 16, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
At least he was somebody elses headache
He may just need a fresh start. I like the trade rumor. Plenty of great talent there at #11 that can help us. But, should this actually happen, the lack of interest in re-signing AB really looks bizarre.
by Cracker Ball on Mar 16, 2010 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I like it!
I think getting Marshall, and either Mays or Berry with the 11th pick would address two issues. We still need a DT but there are a couple that will be around in the second and third rounds, granted not the caliber of McCoy and Suh but decent enough.
by leftcoastbucfan on Mar 16, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions
Just say no to Mays
That guy has zero ball skill’s. He is a workout warrior. Earl Thomas and Berry are much better players. If we made the trade I would assume the Broncos would have to throw in more picks. Maybe we could use those pick’s to move up, if need be, a couple of spot’s to get Berry.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Mar 16, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Mays
I would rather have Berry but Mays is fast big and tackles well he can cover a lot of ground and would make a great free safty or strong safty. Marshall is a proven reciever, look at all the first round bust at DT over the years and I like adding a WR. The offense needs a lift that Marshall would provide and Berry or Mays would be an upgrade. We still need D-line help and another corner, but we have to have a quality WR. That would open up the middle for the TE’s and the running game would also get a lift.
by leftcoastbucfan on Mar 16, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Mays is everything you said he was
But I’d rather grab Derrick Morgan or Rolando McClain
Not a fan of May's
He seem’s like an underachiever to me. Maybe we could coach him up. He did play on some talented defenses at USC and made an alarmingly low amount of big play’s. I know he is big and fast and can tackle. I just don’t think he can cover. I saw enough blown assignment’s go for touchdown’s last year. It seem’s Sabby has that part down. With his size I would be more interested in seeing what he could do at linebacker.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Mar 16, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
i like the deal if we can get more than just the 11th pick and marshall
if we can pick up a proven 100 catch a year wr and then pick a good defensive player at11 then get a extra 3rd rounder out of it the deal would be great. I read some article at pewter report or on the buccaneer’s website that he was still trying to work out a deal. Could this be it?
totally agree
i dunno why people are so quick to dismiss this, it makes alot of sense for both teams. we get our guy at WR and can still grab a pierre-paul, mcclain or earl thomas at #11 while still getting a decent DT in the second round. as well picking up and extra pick obviously helps and with the money we would have to pay mccoy or suh, we can pay our guy at 11 AND marshall
Also..
lest we forget that our MOST important asset is mr Freeman, so we have to make a significant effort to help his progress, namely a MUCH needed upgrade to our recieving core
I told you guys this,
earlier- I predicted this would happen.
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Link or it didn't happen!
Haha. I think we have rosterbating about Boldin since last season.
"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann
^Marshall^
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Right.... Marshall
Guess I’m still subconsciously upset about not getting Q for a 3rd and 4th rounder.
"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann
Link.
http://www.bucem.com/2010/3/1/1332047/bucs-draft-all-depends-on-the-rams#31592388
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Interesting
You should have linked the first time and we could have had this conversation weeks ago. Guess it’s not new news after all. Any clue where you originally read that? I think this guy from draftheadquarters is full of it, but I’ve been wrong once or twice before.
"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann
JBF came out four days ago,
with a rumorish thing- http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=24400
Yasinkas wrote something to the effect here: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/tag/_/name/brandon-marshall
But it was before- i have to refind the link and i might not know where it is. I’ll try though.
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Ok, Links to other stuff.
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I think the FBI agents in Denver who will get to relocate to Tampa to keep an eye on him are all for the deal.
Top Draft needs 2010: DT, WR, DE
I heard in Denver,
It’s cold.
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New head of the Matthew Barnaby Bandwagon!!!
But in fairness, I would be in favor of it...
..because I think Morris would be a good influence on the guy.
Top Draft needs 2010: DT, WR, DE
I don't get this,
I thought you hated the guy bcs of his “baggage”. Now you want him.
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I don't normally like taking on troubled guys...
but this rumored trade still gives us a quality pick at #11 – plus a PROVEN playmaker. The risk of taking Dez Bryant, for example, is just too much of a gamble. He hasn’t proven a thing at this high of a level, and the temptations that come with all that money spells T-R-O-U-B-L-E to me. Brandon Marshall has performed big time.
by Cracker Ball on Mar 16, 2010 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I could go either way on this
I would like it because:
Gives our QB a big target
Fills a big need
opens up our first 3 picks to improve D
- is def. cheaper than the #3
I wouldn’t like it because:
Marshall looks to be the next T.O.
We lose the #3 And a chance at 2 impact DT’s
One things for sure, if they do this trade they better resign Marshall! They save money by moving to the #11 spot which frees up some. And then with the #11 pick, I would say pick up either(in order of 1st choice to 3rd) Brian Price, Derrick Morgan, or Joe Haden depending on whose available and what ever of those positions you dont pick up there pick up in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I still think we need another receiver in maybe the 5th-7th rounds though.
P.S.
whatever you do don’t take JPP!!!!Even at #11!!
by thedudeofdudes on Mar 16, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Amen
JPP = Gaines Adams IMO
"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." - Joe Theismann
Even if he is not
this team can’t take that type of gamble on potential. They need to go with guys that are pretty much refined and can step in and play.
Super late on this...
but from the surface, I love it. Again, as has been mentioned many times, it depends on what the rest of the cost is.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
If half of MHR's fans are right,
then we would never get brandon.
Going by fan comments.
I was the head of the Eric Berry bandwagon- Im sad to say its over.
Puffy Rod's Bandwagon continues forever.
New head of the Matthew Barnaby Bandwagon!!!
NOT REAL
this was on BBS>BUCCANEERS.COM
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