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Greatest of all time?

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Can the Saints put pressure on Manning? Something even bears cant do....

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         There's been a lot of talk of the QB battle taking place today but my concern is one of more value. You hear all the analysts talk about how Manning needs the super bowl to earn the "best of all time" spot, this i'll have to argue. Mannng wasn't always great, in fact he threw 28 pics his first season which dropped to half the next season. Some say that Tom Brady is better than Manning, this is whats awkward for me. The Colts have the best winning percentage in the NFL this decade and Peyton has done it with rookie and no name players. Brady on the other hand has top name players on both sides of the ball. My respect for Peyton goes towards his unchallenged film study, his ability to make the least known person a "liability" to cover at any given time, and his ability to be dominate without taking hits. His O line is the best in the business and even his "quiet" D is fast and holds there own.  http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/peyton-manning/careerstats/69814

         The argument of whetherPeyton is the best has come down to SB wins which he has only 1. I for one think this is overrated, allow me to explain. Lets for a second put Tom Brady in his shoes and ask him to win 10+ games a year with unproven players, without Welker and Moss and his top rated D. Do you think he can? Can he turn unproven players into somebodies? Brady's system is alot easier than Manning's, when Brady was hurt they plugged Cassell into place and still won. How is Cassell doing by the way? Could Cassell win in the Colts system? Manning pulls off the most audibles than any other team and defenses are having problems forming a game plan against them.  Colts simply haven't lost to this type of opponent in a long time. Since 2004, the only time a healthy Peyton Manning lost to a 4-3 team from outside his division was Week 8 of the 2004 season against Kansas City. I can't remember who was running 3-4 or 4-3 each year back to 2004, but it is roughly 25-30 straight wins.

         As far as QB stats is concerned there's some really good stats at http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb. The main point im actually trying to make however is that if you take Manning and Brady and switch teams how they would compare in terms of their performance? Would Brady be able to transform the Colts young recievers? Would Peyton be unstoppable with Welker and Moss? The topic is that of which it seems you have to win a super bowl to get any recognition at best. I dont believe that there's any QB that can accomplish what Peyton has done in Indy. The system that Brady is in is a plug an play system, which they were able to plug in Cassell and it worked. Could Cassell thrive in Indy? I think not, Manning has the unique ability to be his own OC and play the game according to his own believes. I for one believe that Manning has changed the expectancy of the QB position.

         Manning already has the majority of the passing records, and the few he doesn't have he will before he retires, I understand the "analysis" based community doesn't give him the proper respect due to the SB wins but I find it hard myself to compare any other QB to him. I understand the whole "Who Dat" nation and have even come across individuals who were in the Katrina mess. The city sure has thrived with the emergence of the Saints but I just can't go against Peyton, his study is one of a kind and even without the multiple SB wins I for one believe he will end up greatest QB of all time. Don't see any QB directing the Colts like he has... Imagine if was a Patriot all this time...would he accomplish more than Brady? Remember Manning has not had the support Brady has and still managed the best winning percentage this decade... As for as a team goes than teams like the Patriots get recongnition but you cant ignore the influence that Manning has.. offenses and defenses. I for one give Manning the props of the best QB even without the multiple SB's. There are many other players without SB wins, yes it is the ultimate goal but it's not the only thing that should measure a man.  

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by 4QB on Feb 7, 2010 6:24 PM EST reply actions  

No one will dispute Dan Marino was a great QB and he only appeared in a SB...

Archie Manning did not even have a winning season….

SuperBowls help, but its not the end all be all.

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by Niko Houllis on Feb 8, 2010 5:14 AM EST reply actions  

agree'd :)

I now completely understand the term "Gooberville"

by bucnut1 on Feb 15, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry those were not the stats I wanted to post lol

They were suppose to be Manning’s passing stats and all-time leader passing stats. Wonder what happened….

by BucfaninAZ on Feb 8, 2010 8:09 AM EST reply actions  

I believe Manning will go down as the best ever...

One errant throw does not a career make. He is the prototype for any GM and has many more years to cement himself as the greatest QB the NFL has known.

by Cracker Ball on Feb 8, 2010 1:40 PM EST reply actions  

I would rather have Dan Marino

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Feb 8, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that Manning is better then Brady

I’ll also agree that SB wins dont equal GOAT.

What I dont agree with is.

1. Manning has not played with no names- Marhsal Faulk, E. James, Joseph Adai, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark… just to name a few.

2. Brett Favre owns most passing records just recently passing Dan the Man who still holds many records. Manning may break these records, but the same thing was said about Barry Sanders and Ken Griffey Jr. in thier primes, so you never know.

3. Wich brings me to my original point- You say what would Manning do with the Pats, but the real question would be, what would Marino do if he played on any of these teams, the Pats, Colts, (90’s)Packers? Marinos best RB in his career-Abdul-Jabbar. Not the BBALL player,lol.

for much much more on NUMBER 3 go here- http://www.thephinsider.com/2010/1/28/1273310/marino-manning-the-what-if#storyjump

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Feb 8, 2010 8:47 PM EST reply actions  

Also-

If anyone wants to argue that SB wins make the QB i will show you Trent Dilfer who has a ring.
 

And if anyone wants to argue that it doesnt matter about the kind of players around the QB, I will show you Matt Cassel with a great season for the Pats and then one season later sucking with the Chiefs.

"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor

by Hook85 on Feb 8, 2010 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Sanders retired while he still had "IT", and IMO is the greatet RB in the history of the world, hands down.

Goats aren’t a bad thing btw, it’s my nickname. :D

I now completely understand the term "Gooberville"

by bucnut1 on Feb 15, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Manning has had players ...

but he has never had stacked teams on both sides of the ball like Brady. Farve only has records because he’s been playing since the 1800’s. I liked him when he was younger but these last couple years have been something else.

by BucfaninAZ on Feb 9, 2010 11:11 AM EST reply actions  

Farve never needs to retire

Dude this guy is funny as heck, love the commercials, Lets just keep him around for that

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by Alstott for headcoach on Feb 9, 2010 6:53 PM EST reply actions  

Favre is still a great player...

… because one can argue that this last season was his best. He may not bounce back from the beatings as quickly, but he can still clearly produce. Had a tough playoff game against the Saints and should have just run out of bounds instead of trying to force it in there – which is classic Favre. Make that play and we would not be hearing all of this. We should be so lucky as to have him.

by Cracker Ball on Feb 10, 2010 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

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