PLEASE RAHEEM PLEASE NO JASON PIERRE PAUL!!!!!
Now I've read a few mocks and I've been scared stiff! I still think about the draft that Oakland was fortunate enough to scoop up franchise qb Jamarcus Russell. Mel Kiper Jr who everyone seems to love had for months promised that no way in heck the Lions would go and take Calvin "Megatron" Johnson... I was enamoured with the thought of Calvin, however I also knew that if Kiper was wrong ( which McShay said he would be!) there was a possiblity of the Bucs taking a young pass rusher "freak" athlete with unlimited upside... that upside produced us a career best six sacks in three seasons and was traded for a draft pick around 40 spots higher... the reason I'm so against Jason PP is well actually i have a few
1. We could have selected AD Adrian Peterson however Allen Gruden thought that Earnest Graham was the answer for a broken down Cadillac Williams
2. How would Patrick Willis of looked in pewter? Now say what you want about Ruud, but that was his first year to start. We had Shelton Quarles until that season, and Ruud would have made a perfect strong side backer in our tampa two. Imagine us having Willis Ruud and Geno running wild?
3. I love Aqib Talib, but the draft before him we could've had a defensive back by the name of Darelle Revis.. The Jets are lame and arrogant and without Revis Island their nothing. Fat Rex Ryan if not for having Darelle Revis would look just as bad as a rookie coach as Raheem.... We picked the best qb in the draft I honestly believe it and so should you Jet fans!
4. The following year we drafted Aqib who I love but come round two I remember a guy named Desean Jackson we twice passed on... looks like a pretty solid WR considering we decided that Dexter Jackson would be a more serviceable fit
Please no high risk/reward picks, we're in bad shape.... Eric Berry played for Monte he loves the system please bring him here if we can't have Mccoy/Suh. I understand you need a pass rush to make your DBS look good, we add Eric Berry to T Jack, Talib, and hopefully like a previously stated a Javier Arenas, Pat Robinson, to take over for Ronde our secondary is talented enough to actually off set our crap line
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For starters,
1) AP was not a guarantee that year, because we didn’t know whether Cadillac was going to break his knee or not.
2) Willis is behind one hell of a DL as they can keep Offensive lineman off of him to generate the way to make plays.
3) Rex Ryan’s defensive scheme and DL made Revis who he truly is (as in potential).
4) Agreed
When it comes to Eric Berry, Tennessee fans have seen and heard it all. He's known as "The Fifth Dimension". "Two-thirds of the planet is covered by water; the rest is covered by Eric Berry." The Tennessee "Minister of Defense". Besides Chuck Norris, who is the only guy to crash into Tim Tebow head-to-head and live to tell about it? Eric Berry.
Add to that
The Bucs weren’t exactly the only teams passing on those players. All the players mentioned were consensus value picks at those positions, except maybe Dexter Jackson. Hindsight is 20/20.
Dont take anything from Willis
He has a good D-line……now, but he had a bad line for his first two years, and he dominated the game then.
He is truely a great linebacker…and if you don’t see that your not paying attention.
DeSean was going to be great, people pay way too much to height. I think that after seeing DeSean and Steve Smith (Panthers) they would not pass on Golden Tate.
by skunk5150 on Mar 1, 2010 2:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Drafting JPP would be one of the worst moves in bucs history,
I have faith in the youth movement…long overdue…Im just hoping that the Bucs draft the key players we need to replace the old buc greats…JPP is a one year wonder who is freakishly gifted…he might turn into a great DE…but it wont be for a few years…we need some who can come in and fill a need now
Uh your Poll is skewed. LOL
I dont want JPP at all, but I am not going to jumo ship. And it is a worse Idea, atleast Adamns had an entire collge career of being awesome.
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Does everybody just hate Tampa or what?
sticking us with JPP over Berry?How do these people even have a job? would seriously rather overdraft Dez at 3 then take JPP.If JPP is took at #3, I will still be a fan, I’ll just demand that Morris and Dominik fired, and for the Glazers to finally sell the team.
I want to see Malcom Floyd in Pewter and Red next season!
by thedudeofdudes on Feb 27, 2010 10:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The Glazers depend on football people to make the calls...
but hire Morris/Dominik to run the show. Um… yeah. I just pray to the Gods that they don’t screw up this draft.
They really didnt do bad in the last one,
So I think there is reason to be optimistic; unlike every draft under Gruden/Allen.
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by Niko Houllis on Feb 28, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
Some of these guys just don't understand Niko
We all knew these down years were coming, something that had to be done.
It is WAY too early to judge last years draft...
Freeman needs more time to develop and Stroughter played well at times. Not sure about Kyle Moore and Roy Miller just yet. Saw little of anyone else. They made the team but thats it so far. The end of THIS season will make things more clear. For example, like how many chosen in last years draft lose their jobs to those chosen in this years draft.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 28, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Every dynasty in recent history has done this.
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by Niko Houllis on Feb 28, 2010 4:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Eventually they have to re-stock the shelves...
but after success has plucked players from their roster. Much like what happened to us following our Superbowl victory. Coaches AND players were following the money AND opportunity that was available to them. Lovie Smith, Herm Edwards and others leaving for HC positions, and Warren Sapp and others chasing the almighty dollar.
That is inevitable. We were not plucked before 2009. We just sent everybody packing.
I don't think Sapp was ever offerred a contract, cause he was vocal about wanting to stay.
Go USA!!!!
In reality, Sapp was done, he did play decent the following year, but he was never the same after that.
Of course it would have been great to see him retire here, same with Lynch, it just wasn’t meant to be.
Go USA!!!!
The cap also messes with this
Winning a title means players make it big – and when players make it big, they want big contracts.
Of course they do...
because you will never be worth more that you are right after winning the Superbowl. It killed us after our victory. The losses probably had a lot to do with Grudens teams struggling after the win.
by Cracker Ball on Mar 2, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you slightly here:
If there is a plan, why don’t i see it? what is this plan? For all we know, the safest position on the team is QB, #1 TE, #3 WR, #1 Corner, FS. That’s not saying much.
When it comes to Eric Berry, Tennessee fans have seen and heard it all. He's known as "The Fifth Dimension". "Two-thirds of the planet is covered by water; the rest is covered by Eric Berry." The Tennessee "Minister of Defense". Besides Chuck Norris, who is the only guy to crash into Tim Tebow head-to-head and live to tell about it? Eric Berry.
Positions aren't set I agree
But we now have a solid gameplan and direction for the team which the players believe in, something Gruden didn’t have. Morris isn’t perfect and made some crucial mistakes but he’s learning and making improvements, this year will tell if it was a mistake or not to name him HC. Just can’t justify asking for his head so quickly like others have, these things take time. If we have another 3-13 season then yeah let him go, but we were expected to only win 4 games last year…. he came close.
I've been watching the combine all morning
Golden Tate just ran a 4.36. Smoking. Lafell, Williams and Gilyard all slower than expected. Shipley ran a 4.57 which probably doesnt help him much.
Youth movement????
by LeeCaz on Feb 28, 2010 12:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Shipley wasn't thought to be a speedster.
A quick, crisp-route-running, go-to slot guy. 4.57 won’t really hurt him.
Cannons... fire them.
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Yep, think Wes Welker
Runs very good routes, very solid hands, can catch in traffic well and gets good yards after catch.
Welker ran a 4.65 something at his combine, for what it’s worth.
Good points
Cannons... fire them.
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by Craig T on Feb 28, 2010 2:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Also Shipley is very agile, wich makes him a good punt returner as well.
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He'd be too high of a pick to be doing that, plus they just resigned Spurlock and have Smith too.
Go USA!!!!
2nd round is not too high for a player to return kicks
Actually no pick is too high to return kicks. Whoever gets Spiller better have him returning kicks. Percy Harvin was the kick returner all year for the Vikings and you know how that worked out.
And I am not implying to draft him just for punt returns. I would expect him to be a slot receiver similiar to Wes Welker who also returned punts early in his career. Not until he got to NE did he stop returning punts.
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Yeah I know
but supposedly he was hoping for a better 40 time to improve his draft position.
Youth movement????
by LeeCaz on Feb 28, 2010 1:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I probably doesn't change much for Shipley.
Better indicator will be the 3 cone drill and things like that – more about quickness than raw speed.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 28, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Mocks are mocks
I doubt anyone would draft JPP at the 3 slot. Top 10 is a reach, at best. The bucs front office couldn’t possibly be that inept. Even if they did draft him, jumping ship is a little overkill. It would take 10 years of horrific decision making to equal us to Oakland and they still have fans. Be a fan, criticize, talk about it, but at the end of the day if you’re going to stop watching games on TV (didn’t say you had to go) and enjoy your team.
Hopefully we trade up and get a DT which we could actually use more than a DE. Maybe draft another DE or a DT later in the draft. Probably that and a backup QB late or get one in FA (byron should be gone).
Blackraven...
I couldn’t agree more on all your points.
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by Niko Houllis on Feb 28, 2010 4:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
...but the Raiders are choosing 8th. We are choosing 3rd
So… doesn’t that mean they ARE better than we are? I am no Raiders fan, by any stretch of the imagination, and Al Davis is one of my favorite people to make fun of, but they went 5-11.
We have to be envious of 5-11.
I like the thoughts about the draft, however.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 28, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
It only means that they may have been better this season
Their schedule was much, much easier (we had one of the hardest schedules in the NFL) and they lost fewer close games than we did (they won all their close games except for one, our distribution was more even).
But even if they were better in 2009 specifically, they are much worse off from a talent and organisation perspective.
Its really too close to call...
but I like the unbridled enthusiasm.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 28, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Eh
Their best player is awesome (Nnamdi Asumogha), but his contract is nuts and they won’t be able to hold to in for much longer. Their other talent is really poor. Aside from Nnamdi they have no talent in the secondary. Their D-line is useless except for Richard Seymour who’s aging fast and not on a long-term contract. Their O-line is poor. Their RBs are decent but nothing special, and McFadden (supposed superstar) hasn’t done anything. Their WR situation is a mess, with Heyward-Bey being yet another bust in a long line of busts. Zach Miller at TE is good, though. And well, less said about their QB the better.
That really sounds a lot worse than the Bucs, who at least have some talent.
And being optimistic is much more fun for me than being negative in sports, so I tend to see the bright side. Maybe a bit too much at times. :-)
I'm not defending the Raiders
but they are not devoid of talent. Asumogha, Seymour, Greg Ellis on DEF and the OFF has TE Miller, WR Louis Murphy, RB Bush and Vargas (too early to say about Heyward-Bey) so they are not great, but probably not worse than we are.
Kinda wish we still had Gradowski as back-up.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 28, 2010 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Raiders are actually a pretty talented team. The reason why they get made fun of so much is they have had so many great FA and high draft picks but they havent been able to do anything with them. That is why people say they suck.
We suck becuase we are in a rebuilding period. Completley different then the Raiders type of suck.
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Sucky still feels like sucky...
but 2 years ago the Raiders were not 9-7, and we were. Our tragic fall from grace (OK, but closer to grace) was more abrupt. The Raiders haven’t won more than 5 games in years 92002 to be exact).
by Cracker Ball on Feb 28, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
No it wasn't
In 2003 the Raiders were in the Super Bowl, and lost memorably to the Bucs as we all know. Since then, they haven’t won more than 5 games in a single season. Their fall was more abrupt – from Super Bowl winner to joke of the league and they’ve never shown improvement since.
The Bucs, though, now have one consecutive losing season. That’s not a fall from grace. That’s one losing season. We’ll see next year what happens, I wouldn’t expect a winning season but I’d definitely expect progress.
I dont understand what your arguement is? Would you rather be in the Raiders situation or the Bucs? Atleast we can still have hope, unlike Raiders fans who probably only have hope of Al Davis selling the team, or taking his MEDS.
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You do realize the Raiders haven't won more than
5 games in any one year since 2002? That’s a pretty big record of fail. In that same span we had 3 seasons with 5 or fewer wins. Including a pair of seasons with 9 wins, an 11, and a 7. Making the bucs and raiders comparison isn’t called for, at least yet. You also have to remember the bucs retooled their offense and defense after last season, fired their OC before the first game, and changed defenses in the final 5 weeks.
You are making my point FOR me...
because we had seasons of 9 and 11 since our Superbowl meeting with the Raiders.
That is exactly why our fall is more embarrassing. 2 years ago we were 9-7. Now we are 3-13. Those re-tooling maneuvers you speak of were made by – Morris. The fired OC and DC were hired by – Morris. Extending Claytons contract was done by – Morris. The decision to not re-sign our best WR was made by – Morris
Morris – Morris – Morris
Who will get fired after this season because we still suck?
by Cracker Ball on Feb 28, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
When you rebuild
You lose. Regardless of who does this. Bill Walsh went through two terrible seasons before winning a Super Bowl. Dungy didn’t immediately start winning. Jeff Fisher started out losing after taking over a 12-4 team. Bill Belichick took 8-8 and went 5-11 in his first season with the Pats.
No, Morris is none of those guys. But attacking him because we lost in a rebuilding season makes no sense. This losing season is no surprise, and I’d much rather have a rebuilding year or two than suffer through more of Gruden’s patchwork that couldn’t ever build a perennial contender or even get back to the Super Bowl just once.
Also, the Raiders fall has to be more embarrassing. They went from Super Bowl to 8 years (and probably a lot more) of being the joke of the league. The Bucs weren’t stable since then, but they’ve been playoff contenders.
Well, just so you know, re-building IS possible
without becoming a laughing stock. For example, lets take a look at the Patriots. They have maintained their high level of play for many, many years – by plugging in a piece here and a piece there. So it can be done. It has been done. What one man can do – another can do.
Just not by Morris/Dominik, I’m afraid.
So using the “we’re re-building” doesn’t have to be done “fire sale” style. We could have been competitive as we drafted better younger players that actually beat out the veteran players – and not the current “we drafted them so lets see what they can do” 3-13 rain wreck we have now.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 28, 2010 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
The Patriots are a terrible example
Their first season rebuilding (under Belichick) was 5-11. They’ve been a perennial contender since rebuilding, but they started out poorly. Just as most rebuilding teams do. It’s a painful process, but at times you have to do it.
And yes, it is possible at times to do this while remaining competitive. I would contend it was not possible with our talent level. How many people did we really release this offseason? Aside from Derrick Brooks, none of them were key to this team. And Gruden was a better gameday coach than Morris was this season, but Gruden cannot rebuild a team, he’s shown that time and again throughout his tenure here.
For your way to work, the team needs to already have a strong core it can supplement and build around. The Bucs did not have that. They had had a weak core that was kept together with patchwork free agents.
Well, if you are saying that Brooks was the only one
that mattered to us (which I disagree with), then the fall belongs squarely on Morris for not preparing the team well. Where else can the blame lie?
Are you saying we NOW have a strong core to build around, or does the slide continue? Grudens good/bad teams seemed to alternate yearly. So will “Raheem the Dream” have us back to winning form this year?
Is that a yes?
You cite one bad year for Belichick. Morris had his LAST year. We’ll see.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 28, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Belichick had one bad year
But Belichick had a lot more talent to work with.
Bill Walsh had two.
And yes, I think we now have a core to build around that we didn’t have then. Most notably with Freeman, Stroughter and WInslow on the offensive side. And I think we’ll have a much stronger core after the draft.
You hit the nail on the head.
Rebuilding, if/when it happens isnt overnight. It takes a bad year or two to get everything in order and get some pieces in place. Im all for one bad year if it means multiple good years in the future. But I will not rebuild year after year.
So what is your suggestion?
Fire our HC and GM after 1 year? How is that responsible. You end up paying them, and the new people (which, absolutely won’t happen). You end up retooling our entire offense and defense AGAIN. Bring in another new coach for the team to get used to. Why not just give it another year and see what happens? You build through the draft. And I’m saying they won’t draft JPP in the 3rd slot. What will they do? Who the hell knows. I know they won’t draft a WR that should have been picked up in the 7th round like Al Davis.
Blaming Morris is easy. Sure, he made some bad calls. The OC firing in the beginning was a horrible idea. But he owned up to it. He changed the defense back to what it should have always been given the personnel. It was the rookie’s first year. Same with the GM. If things don’t improve then you get mad.
Also who would you have brought in to “fix” everything?
Wait, we fired Gruden but still had to pay him
so you can’t argue it BOTH ways.
Yes, blaming Morris/Dominik IS easy. Its TOO easy. They are totally at fault and we get another year of it. Could be just part of a year however. We will see about that later.
Yes, you build through the draft. We agree on that. You supplement it by adding the odd piece via free agency. You keep and pay the players you have that deserve it by producing. You just don’t let AB (who might have given us the best WR season we have ever had) just walk away without at least trying to keep him.
I would have possibly put out feelers AFTER Gruden finished out his contract. I would have NEVER EVER given the job to Morris. Never. No experience. I can’t say who I personally would have come up with, but we would not have suffered through a 3-13 season.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 28, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not arguing it both ways.
Gruden got more than a year, I’m saying they should give Morris more than a year (and they already have). It is easy to blame Morris and Dominik, it was their team and it faltered a little. But the circumstances around it and the improvement near the end was enough to warrant another year of trying. Is gruden/allen still being paid or was their contract up after last year (not sure if allen got another job)? I would imagine the Glaziers wouldn’t be wanting to pay 3 contracts or more after a year of having Morris.
Releasing AB was a good call. It would have been very hard to sign him to anything less than what he made last year. And after last year its really really hard to convince me that he’ll be back to form this year. Its a gamble, plain and simple. If he had a really good year without injury last year I’d want to resign him for something reasonable. If he has the most excellent year ever next year, then good for him. It has nothing to do with his supposed “attitude” or whatever people say about him. He had a year to prove himself to be the reciever he was the year before. Maybe he caught a bad break, injured, 3 different QBs, 2 OC’s. It happens. Life goes on.
It would seem that we completely disagree on the philosophy applied here. You’re more reactionary than I am. All I ask (and you really don’t have much of a choice unless the Glazier’s fire dominik and morris) is that you keep an open mind and see what happens. After another 3-13 season I’ll be wanting a change too. But I hope that doesn’t happen. I hope morris and dominik prove themselves and we have a more winning team.
I can understand if Morris took over a AWESOME team and then drove them into the dirt, but he didnt. He inherited a crappy team.
The difference between most Buc’em readers and regular Buc fans is we understand that Gruden and his core players were never going to be Super Bowl contenders. Alot of casual fans look at the Gruden firing and hiring of Morris the way you do because they dont understand Gruden was not doing a good job. That is how the Anti-Morris ban wagon started.
The casual fans feel that we down graded just because they have never heard of Morris before. So before the season even started they were upset, and then the 3-13 happend and they think it was a direct result of Morris
The more avid fan like most Buc’em readers understand that it is IMPOSSIBLE to judge a coach on one season. Especially if that season was a rebuilding year full of old crippled players and a bunch of bench warmers.
I am in no way endorsing Morris, all I am saying is; ONE YEAR is not enough to judge. If he shows no progress in the 2010 season then I can understand why you would want to blame him. When I say progress, I dont mean turning a 3-13 team into Super Bowl contenders, even if they only win 6 games next year that still twice as many. So the record isnt everything, its mostly about the team heading in the right direction and not standing still like the Lions, Rams, Raiders.
Lets become the fan base who always uses the coach as an escape goat, and they are always cycling through coaches just to please the fans.
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Correction
Lets not
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
*They are typos, get over it*
And...
Your telling me this because?
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
*They are typos, get over it*
Well, whether I like it or not, Morris is here for 2010
so he will get his chance. Lets see what he does with it. I will openly say that he WILL NOT win 6 games. We will struggle as we did last year. The all teams on our 2010 schedule will improve too. Our home games with STL, DET and SEA look to be our best shots at victory. May not win one at all on the road.
Why not give it one more year? Sadly, it appears that we are. If this year looks like the last, why not give it one more year. Maybe one more after that. Why not use the 5 year plan?
The sooner you admit the mistake, the sooner you can fix it. I don’t see the positives from last year that you do. I see a season of bad playcalling, botched personnel moves and 3 wins to show for it.
Gruden was able to get more out of the team than Morris was. We basically had the same players. Some here have said that all the veteran players we released were washed up, citing that no one else signed them as proof. If that is so, then we should be a better team. We are not.
I place the blame exactly where it should be placed. The tag team of Morris/Dominik now has the floor.
We only beat Seattle in Seattle and New Orleans in New Orleans..
and we only played 5 of the 6 games in our division competativly, and we have the easiest schedule too.
6 wins is the bottom , 8 is far more likely, and is in fact my prediction for next year, 8-8.
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What was your prediction last year?
Youth movement????
by LeeCaz on Mar 1, 2010 7:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mine would not have been 3-13, especially after
the 9-7 season before it. Morris makes Jon Gruden look like a genius, going 9-3 at one point with such a crappy team (as some Morris fans have said). We were a good team, or at least we played like one, before Morris took over.
I predicted 4 wins
I don’t think Gruden could have done much more with that team. Maybe 5 wins. Let’s not forget Gruden had a 4 win season in a year in which schedule was even less difficult. A change needed to be made for sure. Gruden would go back and forth with wins and losses depending on schedule difficulty. It was always an average team that might pull out 9 wins in an easy year, but would lose the next with the increased sos
Youth movement????
by LeeCaz on Mar 1, 2010 7:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Doubt Gruden would have had to...
because he probably would not have made the personnel changes Morris/Dominik did. Brooks would have probably still been here for sure.
Gruden would not have had a choice on personnel decisions
That is all on Dominik. That is actually most likely another reason Chucky got shown the door. Dominik most likely knew he wouldn’t be on board with the youth movement.
Youth movement????
by LeeCaz on Mar 1, 2010 8:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have to think that Dominik...
does not make a personnel move without at least getting HC Morris’ approval.
I don't agree on this point.
I think Morris can offer his opinion, but I don’t think Morris has to sign off on the move Dominik makes. Its classic GM vs HC. The GM has to sign off on what Morris wants to do, not vice versa.
If that is so...
then that is the “trouble in paradise”. We do not know who agrees with what but their legacy will forever be tied together – Morris and Dominik that is. If a coach can’t get the players he thinks he needs, how can he be successful?
That's not what he's saying at all
But a GM needs to act as a check or balance to a head coach and vice versa. Without that check or balance, things go awry too easily, as mistakes and decisions go unpunished and evaluated less.
Only the best coaches, who are also great organisational minds, can do the football czar thing. Bill Walsh could do it, Bill Parcells can and Bill Belichick can (maybe we should hire a Bill too). Not many others.
When they tried to get Mike Holmgren to function like that in Seattle, they failed.
Glad you mentioned Holmgren...
because I am very curious to see what he can to for Cleveland, since he is “the Man” there and not Mangina.
by Cracker Ball on Mar 1, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Lol!
Touché!
I was wayyyy off.
Less question marks this year however.
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Wanna place a bet on that
I say he goes 5 or more wins at the least, and I expect 6 or 7.
Also, your slippery slop argument is nonsense. Everyone on this site (and the owners themselves too) have made it clear that this is a rebuilding process and processes take time, but they do not take 5 years. I’ve said time and again that I expect a 5-7 win year next year and then a winning year after that. If Morris does not deliver on either of those promises, then I’m calling for his head too. But I’m also saying that one year is much too early to throw in the towel, especially when a team improves down the stretch.
FYI, before the seasons I predicted a 4 or less win season.
OK... I will make you a bet.
I say less that 5 wins. What are the stakes?
If I win, I don’t want it in Krona, or whatever you have over there.
by Cracker Ball on Mar 1, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'll take that bet
Let’s not make it too expensive, but I’m fine with any (not too extravagant) amount. Bet in USD is no problem.
Or possibly being photographed, in public...
while wearing a Vikings helmet, and then using the pic as your posting avatar. Money is fine, but publicly losing self-respect is much funnier.
by Cracker Ball on Mar 1, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
True
But those things are a lot harder for me to do as a European (even getting hold of a Vikes helmet). But yeah – picture of me wearing a Vikes helmet in public? I can get that done, I think.
Wait... it has to have the blonde ponytails
just to up the “embarrassing” ante a bit. It may be worth it for me to send you one.
Just so we all can partake
can someone clarify the exact bet and what the winner/loser get?
by Buc Wild on Mar 1, 2010 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm saying the Bucs win 5 or more games next year
He says fewer than 5.
Loser gets a picture taken of him, in public, wearing a Vikings helmet with blonde ponytails.
Good fun. :-)
lol
I am no math wiz but 5 and over seems like much better odds then 4 or less.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
*They are typos, get over it*
Ordinarily it does...
we are not playing poker or rolling dice. Lucky for me we ARE betting on football games being won by a poor team.
I am feeling pretty safe…
I think the Saints should fire their coach right before the draft.
I have no idea where you were replying Niko from, lol.
Go USA!!!!
There is no reason to be envious of the Raiders 5-11 record only because it represents two more wins.
We are in MUCH better shape than the raiders in many regards..
Front office, Coaching, Franchise QB, just for starters…
Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan since 1979
Wow... did I actually use the Raiders as some kind of corporate model?
Ugh… perhaps I will wait until the end of this year to be envious of the 5-11 record.
JPP could be interesting if we take it in the 2 rond maybe
the guy can be a good DE and if hes available in the second round i guess we can take it, just a thought!!
why not??
everybody know JPP is RAW Talent, but who really wanna take a RAW talent in the first round?? i just wanna say, if hes available in 2 round then take it IMO
Because the Raiders pick 8th
He’s also a consensus top 10 pick now, and some have the Bucs taking him at 3. It’d be a real shock if he fell that far.
Hooray:
Stovall tendered at third round level.
When it comes to Eric Berry, Tennessee fans have seen and heard it all. He's known as "The Fifth Dimension". "Two-thirds of the planet is covered by water; the rest is covered by Eric Berry." The Tennessee "Minister of Defense". Besides Chuck Norris, who is the only guy to crash into Tim Tebow head-to-head and live to tell about it? Eric Berry.
Also:
COMBINE IS HERE. I ALWAYS TOLD MY COACHES Y DO U GO. THERE IS NO OTHER CLAY LEFT N DA JAR FOR OUTSIDE LBs. GOD THEY LEFTOVER INTO DA SEA LOL
NO I SAID THE TWO TACKLES ARE NOT WORTH TRADING UP TO NUMBER 1 TO PICK THEM NUMBER 3 COULD BE
When it comes to Eric Berry, Tennessee fans have seen and heard it all. He's known as "The Fifth Dimension". "Two-thirds of the planet is covered by water; the rest is covered by Eric Berry." The Tennessee "Minister of Defense". Besides Chuck Norris, who is the only guy to crash into Tim Tebow head-to-head and live to tell about it? Eric Berry.
do research please b4 you post.
i dnt understand the desean jackson comparison. he was drafted before we picked again. so thats irrelevant. 2, aqib talib is a stud. idc what you say. im glad we have him. notice who your talking a lot about here. jon gruden. these were gruden pics, not raheems. raheem and mark understand talent, i love the draft they had last yr and i cant wait to see what they do with 10 pics. jpp doesnt deserve to be mentioned in the first round, ya his size is sweet but thats all i ever hear about. tampa may like him, but i am 100% sure he will not be our top pic.

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