Disputing Myths in Tampa Bay
Here are some common myths you hear on sports talk radio, websites and blogs, and why they simply are not true:
Myth 1: The Glazers are cheap, and are running this organization on the cheap just to make a profit.
Myth Buster: People do not change who they are. The Glazers were commited to winning once, therefore they still are. To mistake someone being in financial trouble in this near depression of an economic downturn we are in for being cheap is rediculous. Odds are each one of you knows someone who hasnt paid their mortgage in a few months. Property values have plummeted. The Glazers are not immune to this. The NFL television contract is more than enough to run ANY NFL team for any calandar year. It does not however supply enough money for cash bonuses. The Glazers are cash strapped, but not without money to pay players or make deals.
Case in point: Last years Free Agency which every seems to think was a complete bust because no money was spent- Kellen Winslow traded for, then given a brand new lucrative contract, Michael Clayton given a brand new lucrative contract, Antonio Bryant was franchised and paid 10 million dollars for one year, Derrick Ward was signed, thereby obtaining the best Tight End and Tail Back free agents available on the market last year. They even gave 2.5 million dollars to Mike Nugent. Not all of these deals worked out, but they spent money.
Myth 2: The Glazers hired Raheem Morris as a cheap coach until the lockout year passes, then they will pay for a real coach.
Myth Buster: This is the silliest argument I've ever heard. So the cheap way is to fire your coach, continue to pay him, and pay the new coach too, so you can save money! Excellent strategy. Its amazing the Glazers have any money at all! Jon Gruden is still getting paid to not coach the Bucs, while Morris is getting paid TO coach them. For some reason, people find it easier to believe this than maybe the Glazers actually wanted to do something about the Bucs situation and fired Gruden no matter if they had to admit their mistake of resigning him and hired whom they felt was an up and coming young coaching wonder in the mold of Mike Tomlin or Tony Dungy.
Myth 3: The Bucs late season winning streak was irrelevant, it served no purpose and took us out of the Suh drafting position.
Myth Busters: Pro Football players do not lose games on purpose. That is for people like the casual fans to think and assume. Winning two key games in a row at the end of the season did more for the Bucs players esteem than drafting Suh ever could.
While Suh is a specimen of true amazement, Gerald McCoy is actually the guy who fits the Bucs needs the best. McCoy is a true 3 technique DT like Sapp was, and is probably more of a plug in lineman than Suh is, at least for us.
Myth 4: The Bucs are going backwards, we were 9-7 and now we are 3-13, that is not progress.
Myth Busters: The Bucs had all three wins over either quality opponents (Green Bay, New Orleans) or in a precarious situation ( in Seattle, down at the half after turning the ball over and not playing good in the first). In 2008, none of the Bucs wins were over quality opponents. They needed the second kick off return for a TD in franchise history to spark the franchises biggest comeback ever over a team with a couple wins on the year (@KC), and were also down by 17 to the 0-16 Detroit Lions, and required a punt return for a TD in that game too. Other wins were over Seattle by a mere 10 points at home, a major comeback win vs Chicago which went 9-7, another major comeback needed to beat a 6-10 Green Bay team, and an inability to score a TD against a 9-7 Dallas Cowboy team with a 40+ Brad Johnson at QB. The 4 game losing streak at the end was the icing on the cake. That 9-7 record was smoke and mirrors. None of the veterans that were purged from this team for the rebuilding process have done ANYTHING worthwhile in the league in 2009, with many of them no longer even in the league!
Another point of fact: Sam Wyche had the best record of any Bucs team during those 14 years in 1995 with a 7-9 record. The Bucs started the season out 5-2 that year, and beat Green Bay at home for the first time in many years to go 7-7 and secure the franchises first non-double digit losing season in 12 years. The following year with Tony Dungy, they started the season 0-5, and 1-8 finishing off 6-10; also 'technically' regressing in record, although we all know that team did not regress.
Not only do we have these myths, but further rediculousness, are the lessening of impact of the victories over Seattle and New Orleans, both on the road. They are ' lucky' wins, against teams playing at their worst. Well what about when we played Philly and New England at OUR worst? Few people know you can cant on two hands the number of times Tampa Bay has won on the Pacific Coast in 34 years. Few people remember the Bucs went into the 4th quarter at New Orleans down by 14 to the eventual SuperBowl championship New Orleans Saints. It was still 17-3 to start that 4th quarter, and we squandered several scoring opportunities. The Bucs also ran the ball very effectively in Overtime, they simply out-physically played the Saints in that game.
Ive said this once, and I will say it many more times, this area is a little spoiled by the recent success of the Buccaneers from now well over a decade. Before 1997, Tampa Bay suffered through 14 consecutive losing seasons, right now, we are only at one. With our weak schedule, we could find ourselves at 8-8 and on our way back to not only respectability but more. We are in great position in the draft, in the deepest draft since 1983 at the positions we need the most. Two if not 3 impact players will be added to the foundation of this team in 2010.
No teams in the NFL that are dominant were put together in a hurry. They all had to rebuilt from somewhere. Even our own SuperBowl Champion Buccaneers team of 2002 was built with a foundation of drafted players, not free agents.
Sapp
Lynch
Brooks
Alstott
Barber
Quarles
Abraham
Kelley
All drafted, then Brad Johnson, Keyshawn, and Simeon Rice were added to finish off the team.
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Great Article Niko
Agreed on every aspect. Most teams have a down year and no coach would have won many games with the team we had. However, I do think we are very close to getting back to a good team and maybe a great team later but that depends on how players pan out (mainly Freeman). I think I am one of the few fans who did not think Raheem did a bad job. Sure he had his mistakes but it is his first year head coaching anywhere. Bring in Mike Tomlin his first year head coaching to the Bucs and the same amount of people would be calling for his head too. I just think most people want problems on a team to get fixed in one season and that just doesn’t happen. I mean we are not playing a franchise in Madden, this is real life.
niko is da man
i hope all the fans should read this article and at least be motivated that we have a team anda wanna make things nice!! GO BUCS!
Also dont forget teams like the Dolphins, Rays just recently have gone from worst to first in the next season. I am not saying they will be first in the south next season, I am just saying nobody epected the Dolphins after winning 1 game to go on and win 11 the next season. So its defenately not a huge leap of faith to say the Bucs will win 7-9 games next year. I would say we have to hope for…to succeed.
1. Josh Freeman will play well
2. The defense will be much improved under T2
3. The #3 pick will be a huge impact imediately.
4. Williams is healthy and 100%
5. A 2nd round pick will be a WR to help JF and the running game
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Great article
I’m starting to like this Rec button.
You neglect to mention two other things in the ‘cheap Glazers’ myth. The first is that after the Super Bowl, the Bucs started to have a lot of cap problems stemming from the spending spree to win a Super Bowl (which included an 8 year! $56M Keyshawn Johnson contract). This required them to size down and spend less, and had Bruce Allen cleaning up the cap problems Rich McKay had left behind.
The second thing, is that the Glazers didn’t start spending less. In fact, after staying more or less stable from ’03 to ’06, the total payroll increased signficantly in ’07 and ’08, after decreasing again this year (probably due to the youth movement, not due to a lack of will to spend):
2009 $ 84,501,322
2008 $ 104,329,311
2007 $ 98,105,565
2006 $78,779,519
2005 $73,770,494
2004 $81,989,547
2003 $88,084,700
2002 $64,486,295
2001 $76,976,459
Another myth tied in with that is spending = success. 2008 is a fun year for that. Half of the playoff teams in that year were in the bottom half of the total payroll list: Patriots, Ravens, Colts, Chargers, Dolphins, Panthers. The Patriots, Colts and Ravens ranked in the bottom 5, even!
In 2009, again half the teams were in the bottom half of the payroll.
Another thing that pops out is that there is barely any continuity. The Cowboys went from 2nd to 5th from the bottom in total payroll from 2008 to 2009.
All numbers from USA Today.\
Now, until you can point to specific instances where the Glazers didn’t spend enough to get a player, I don’t think it is at all fair to claim they’re being cheap. Hell, they offered a bigger contract to Haynesworth than the Redskins did – but Haynesworth saw more potential with the Redskins than with the Bucs.
by Sander on Feb 18, 2010 8:17 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Good Point
I totally forgot about offering Haynesworth more than the Redskins did. I am actually happy we did not get him. We would have been a better team but at way to high of a price.
Very Good points Sander, thanks for the Addendum...
People forget Rich McKay really screwed the Bucs by giving very rich, lucrative contracts to Booger McFarland, Gramatica, Brad Johnson, Keyshown Johnson, Simeon Rice….all of these players were not around to see the end of their contracts due to problems with production.
You see that Keyshawn and Gruden got into spats all the time, why would you resign him to a long term contract!!
This was a major player in the salary cap hell we were put into.
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by Niko Houllis on Feb 19, 2010 4:47 AM EST up reply actions
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Wrecked. Nice job, NH.
Don’t forget the Bucs were reportedly ready to throw a boatload of cash at Albert Haynesworth. I don’t believe the level of guaranteed money was disclosed, but there was a significant top contract value offered. Based on the way Haynesworth played, the failure to sign him by Dominik might have been a tremendous move. That kind of salary on the books could really limit what the Bucs (or any team that signed him) could’ve done this offseason.
Win for Dominik.
Cannons... fire them.
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Haynesworth refusing to sign is a win for Dominik how?
I mean, it’s not like this is Dominik’s wisdom to not offer Haynesworth a ton of money – it’s Haynesworth deciding he likes the Redskins better.
Haynesworth has complained about being used poorly – as someone who just draws double teams and nothing else. He’d probably be used very differently in Tampa and would look closer to his previous level of play.
I think he is just saying it was a blessing in disguise, not that Dominik meant to lose him but it worked out better in the end.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
*They are typos, get over it*
It is still too early to say...
… if the Haynesworth near-miss worked out for us. We still don’t have the player he would have been for us here. I suspect our run defense would have not been so terrible. He is still a great DT and we will have to reserve judgment another season or two before it becomes clear.
I actually wish he had signed here. We would be drafting another player to line up next to him and not in place of him.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 22, 2010 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but
There are a lot of yeah, buts with Fat Albert, first and foremost, by week 6 he was already complaining about the DC, was already injured, and had already shown a lack of commitment. Thank god we didn’t sign this guy, the DT version of TO. There is a reason the Titans didn’t resign him, anytime a home team doesn’t even try to resign one of its own players who is a “Premier” player at a position, they know something everyone else doesn’t.
Buc'em if they can't take a joke.
by PalmBeachBucco on Feb 23, 2010 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
good point
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Or he was injury-prone and unmotivated after getting his payday
Time will tell.
The level of guaranteed money likely had a lot to do with his decision and Dominik, while certaibly wanting to bring him in, didn’t just break the bank and write a blank check (while having more cap room to do so) for a guy who was not worth the money last year. That actually was a decision made by Dominik.
Cannons... fire them.
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by Craig T on Feb 18, 2010 11:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
NVM Sander...
Maybe this was the alternative motive of Haynesworth that we havent heard. But according to the record he chose Washington becuase of the larger market and audience not anything to do with Dominik not offering a large bonus. It certainly sounds like a reasonable theory. In my opinion this sounds more like a lucky break and its a reach to give the guy a compliment for it.
"When you argue correctly, you're never wrong."-Nick Naylor
*They are typos, get over it*
There was always a feeling...
that once Haynesworth got paid, his effort would drop – he only really turned into a dominant force in the last year or so before his contract was up.
I thought it was telling that he said the Florida lifestyle was too good, too much of a temptation for him, and that a big part of why he didn’t sign was that he thought he’d get lazy here – says a lot about his desire to play I think…
Cadillac Williams is on the way to the promised land!
I think Sander makes a good point here...
He probably would have had a better season in Pewter, but any way you look at it, that wasnt a win for Dominik.
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by Niko Houllis on Feb 19, 2010 4:50 AM EST up reply actions
Would he have?
If he complained about being a guy who commands dbl teams, then that’s exactly what he wouldve been doing most of the time in Bates’ 2-gap system for the majority of the year. I don’t see how he wouldve clearly done any better here. I think its about the money with a guy like Haynesworth and I’m glad he’s not here. I think if he got an exta 3-5 mil guaranteed over WAS’s offer, he’d be in Pewter. I’m glad he’s not here and I’ll give some credit to Dominik for that, at a minimum indirectly.
I’ve made my point and you’ve made yours, which are valid. Respectfully agree to disagree here.
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by Craig T on Feb 19, 2010 8:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree that you guys disagree so actually we all agree....respectfully
by BucfaninAZ on Feb 19, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My head just exploded.
Cannons... fire them.
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by Craig T on Feb 19, 2010 9:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
McCardell and Jerivicious too.
I can’t remember how to spell his name, lol.
I now completely understand the term "Gooberville"
Bucnut, great add on...
I just wanted to stick with players added on for more years benefit than just 02, but I did say Super Bowl, and these two were brought in for that purpose.
Kerry Jenkins, Roman Oben, Ricky Dudley, Michael Pittman, all contributed greatly to the SB championship.
good point
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by Niko Houllis on Feb 19, 2010 4:59 AM EST up reply actions
I know they didn't stay very long, but they should have. We wouldn't have won the SB without them.
I now completely understand the term "Gooberville"
Jurevicious...
Who could ever forget that cartch he made at Philly in the 03 season opener? Incredible.
Cannons... fire them.
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by Craig T on Feb 19, 2010 8:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe the turning point in the playoffs for us.
Without that catch, we go 3 and out another half dozen times and probably put up 6 points all game.
I think he was talking about the catch in the 03 MNF opener..
while your referring to the even more important catch in the 02 NFC Championship game where he takes it down the sideline and Alstott puts it in.
Both Catches, actually J had two TD grabs in that 03 opener that were amazing, so all three catches, were Juriviious highlights
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by Niko Houllis on Feb 20, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions
Ah, you're right
Reading comprehension was obviously not up to par there.
That tipped to himself catch was awesome.
I didnt, perhaps someone else did
I apologize for that. For this reason I seldom use the AP photos provided us and like to find my own.
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by Niko Houllis on Feb 21, 2010 7:13 AM EST up reply actions
Wow that pirate thing is going to get annoying quick
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by Niko Houllis on Feb 21, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe he's an "Urban Pirate"
… or something like that. For Shizzle…
by Cracker Ball on Feb 23, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
BUTT PIRATE
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by BucBurgh412 on Feb 23, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Aint that guy on his picture the guy at the beginning of SPONGE BOB
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by BucBurgh412 on Feb 23, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
OK... that wasn't me.
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by Cracker Ball on Feb 23, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
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dis here guy seems ta be da most offensive out o’ all o’ us. Just saying w0rd!
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