Don't Forget The Offense
It seem's Buc fan's have made up their mind. This team needs defense worse than offense. My question is why? What about our offense makes anyone think that they are in better shape than the defense? In my opinion we actually have more building blocks in place on the defensive side of the ball.
Talib and Jackson in the secondary and Geno at linebacker all look like top talent. Roy Miller showed enough last year to at least consider a good piece of the d-line rotation in the future. We also have a bunch of depth type guys at DE. So we need more depth and quality at DT, LB, CB and safety.
Now who do we have on offense? Freeman is where it starts. He is far from proven but we have to build around him. Looking into the future I see maybe 2 skill position player's on this roster and that's Stroughter and K2. Sammie should be our slot receiver for awhile and K2 is a top notch TE. There is no other RB or WR on the roster we can count on in the future. As for the OL we are in better shape. Still this line is very overrated. I like Penn and think he will be at one of our tackle spots for years to come. We have to hope Joseph is in that same category though he has seemed to regress. I'm not sure we can count on anybody else on this line in 2 or 3 years. To me this is scary when the franchise player has nothing to work with.
The bottom line is we have a bunch of holes on both sides of the ball. I think we have to take the best player and not worry about offense or defense. I know I have been focusing on McCoy and will be happy if we get him. Many others are in love with Suh. Even more are in love with Berry. It get's to the point where people just dismiss offense as a possibility at 3. I don't believe we are in a position to do that. Hopefully the Bucs feel the same way.
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I disagree with us having no worthy RB on the roster...
Cadillac proved last year that he can still play. He did this without having the offseason to prepare. 800+ yards doesn’t seem like much, but he was working out of a 3 RB swap meet senario for the 1st half of the year. They realized how much he still had in him at the end, so they started giving him more of the reps.
Also, we are changing our philosophy of our run game back to what it was next year which should help. That and having Cadillac for the OTA’s will work, and hopefully have Sears back for the OTA’s will add even more stability to our O-Line.
As for receivers, I agree with you completely. The only receiver we have worth anything right now is Stroughter. Not knowing if AB is going to come back. If he doesn’t come back, I forsee a trade for a high quality receiver like Marshall or Boldin happening in March.
I also forgot to add...
Don’t forget our Tight End. K2 is a beast and he proved that last year. After seeing him last year I would actually take K2 over Tony Gonzalez any day. Tony’s age will catch up to him soon, and K2 still has quite a few years ahead of him. Not many teams have a TE that demands double coverage at times, and if we can get a WR or 2, our O has the chance to be deadly.
by IBleedPewter on Feb 16, 2010 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Edited to include K2
Thanks
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Feb 16, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for K2
I totally overlooked him. I have to disagree on Cadillac. I hope I am wrong but I just can’t rely on the guy. My hope is he takes off this year after staying healthy last year. I just think the chances of him being our go to RB, when this team is good again, are very low. I really do hope I am wrong because he is one of my favorites.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
According to Niko, Williams Knees are 100%, so edit that as well.
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Well, Niko isnt a Doctor...so not according to me...
however, what I read was that the guy basically had genetically weak areas of his knees. The injuries and subsequent rehab strengthened these areas to stronger than they were before.
So yeah, the injuries he had, he wont have again.
Now anything else? We dont know….but he did carry the load last season and did ok.
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by Niko Houllis on Feb 18, 2010 3:25 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't say his knees weren't fine
I just find it hard to count on him staying healthy. Next season isn’t my main concern. I am more worried about 3 or 4 years down the road. By that time we should be ready to compete for a tittle again. Of course that’s assuming the rebuild goes well. Even without the injuries Caddy will be up there in age for a RB. Factor in the injuries and it seem’s like a long shot that he is carrying the load any year much less a few year’s down the road. Again I hope that’s not the case.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Feb 18, 2010 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Someone mentioned Kareem Huggins...
… as a player of note at RB. Don’t know much about him other than he is FAST! If they feel good about him, I say send Ward and his contract to San Diego. We could use a good CB and Cromartie fills that bill.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 18, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
Well if we can agree Williams will be fine next season
I think we can agree we dont need to use a high pick on a RB in this years draft. Your arguement is valid for most NFL teams, since RB have such a short shelf life, 4-5 years down the raod is always a question mark at RB. So in next years draft, a high pick on a RB might not be a bad idea, but right now I wouldnt worry so much.
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Being down 21 points in the first quarter is not a good thing in my mind. You may not have a problem with that, but I sure do.
I now completely understand the term "Gooberville"
what?
Not even sure what your going on about. Didn’t say defense wasn’t important. Certainly didn’t say I don’t have a problem being down 21in the 1st quarter. I didn’t even say to draft offense at 3. I just think the offense is in just as bad shape as the D. Got anything useful?
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Feb 16, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
While the offense is indeed far from perfect
Our run defense is absolutely atrocious. I have to disagree with you about the building blocks. The three players you listed; Geno, Talib, and Jackson, along with Ruud and maybe Miller, are the only players even NFL starter caliber on the defense. IMO Ronde is only suited for nickel duty at this point, and that may be pushing it.
So, we essentially need six new defensive starters. I guess if you threw White into that mix you could call it five. Either way, that is a LOT of new starters.
Offensively we are pretty set. We need a new wide receiver, which is a need that I hope we address with one of our second round picks. Other than that I don’t really see a glaring need anywhere that would warrant a #3 overall pick. I expect at least seven of our ten draft picks to be used on the defensive side of the football. Obviously we aren’t going to the super bowl next year, and most likely we aren’t going to the playoffs either. That is the draft where we should focus on offense. By that time we should be able to assess our needs a little better, which will most likely be a tackle, RB, and maybe another wide receiver, should Stroughter not pan out.
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"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Feb 16, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with Lee on this one
The offense needs a WR. The line seems set, and RBs are ok. Even Trublood would be very solid if he would learn to control himself. Get rid of the penalties and he is pretty darn good. What the O needs most is an off season under the same scheme and with the same QB. Focus on D in this draft.
WoW, somebody actually agrees with me about Trueblood, lol.
I now completely understand the term "Gooberville"
If he can do away with the penalties, he's probably the best O-lineman we got.
But I love his fire and the way he sticks up for his teammates, which leads to penalties, but sometimes it’s worth it.
I now completely understand the term "Gooberville"
I don't agree that he's our best offensive lineman.
But I also don’t think he is terrible, he’s probably a little above replacement level as a lineman.
agree on run defense
But how are we set on offense?. It seems to me we have a young quarterback with little help. We don’t have a starting receiver. It seems highly unlikely that Bryant will be back. Clayton is awful. Stovall is Clayton lite. Stroughter I like but he is most likely a slot receiver. So we don’t have starting receivers at this time. I think we have to bring in 2 quality guys there. We do have a good TE. Again I see Freeman as the most important piece to our future. We have to get him a lot of help. We don’t have to go offense at 3, but it also just can’t be dismissed . I also saw improvements on D when we went back to the Tampa 2. My guess would be that we could at least be average on D next year with a couple of minor additions. I think we need a lot more help on O to get to average. Bottom line is their our holes everywhere.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
Right
but receiver is the only “real” need for next season. High draft pick, plus Stovall, plus Stroughter should equal a pretty serviceable receiving corp. Add a free agent into the equation and we might even be good (unfortunately Olson is still going to be calling the plays, so it probably wouldn’t matter anyway)
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"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Feb 16, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure why the zero came up
Anyway I hope your right but high draft picks at receiver are usually slow to develop. If we are depending on Stovall and a draft pick to start then I fear for freeman.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Feb 16, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
We could use an OT and WR upgrade, but the main focus...
… has to be made on defense. That will make it somewhat easier on offense, as we will not have to score so many points to be competitive. We are thin depth-wise, so injuries could really do a number on us.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 17, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
I don't see huge holes on offense
Only WR is a real position of need, but no WR in the draft is worth the #3 pick and there are plenty good WRs who will be available early in the second round.
Not advocating WR at 3
Also I guess I see our OL and RB’s as a lot weaker than most. I don’t see Caddy being able to carry the load. Ward looks like a bust and Graham is a nice RB/FB. We are very average at best. That’s not a good recipe for success with a young QB. Our OL is just flat overrated. We have some talent there but the unit is a weakness.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Feb 16, 2010 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
RB position isn't great
But it’s serviceable for now. Caddy/Ward will be able to rotate and be decently effective. Especially if the offseason is used to install a system and stick to it (unlike last year).
They won’t be world-beaters, but I think they both have a few years left as decent options.
As for O-line – well, the biggest weakness on the O-line is easily Trueblood, who’s a decent blocker but kills his value with penalties. Donald Penn isn’t the greatest, but he’s good enough. Faine is a fine center. Zuttah disappointed, but Sears will be back and Davin Joseph is fine.
The point is, good RTs can be had as far down as the 3rd or 4th round, so getting a replacement for Trueblood isn’t really a problem.
Can't blame the OL for last year
Don’t forget they asked these guys to learn a new system over night and with Sears out and others in and out with injuries there was no stability. They will be healthy and Sears looks to be back, the OL should be ok next year. Hopefully Trueblood can learn to pay better attention this year.
Hope so
I agree that Trueblood and Zuttah are the weakest links. I think it’s a little harder to find an effective RT. Hopefully Sears comes back strong. That would go a long way towards improving the line. Seems like a bunch of hopes. I hope Caddy stay’s healthy. I hope the oline improves and I hope we can find some receivers. It would be nice to know a couple of things. Scary.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
Defense First
Bucs have always been built on defense and it should stay that way. The offense for now is fine and i’d rather build up our D. YOu are talking to or three t=years from now, but we will also have two or three drafts during that time to add to the O. The Bucs obviously are settling for Freeman, which i was against and still am a little, and the line is young. there are defensive pieces there, but we have NO D line. I like Roy and everything, but we have DE unproven and not showing anything and there is no threat. you put a possible marquee DT on the line and it changes the whole complextion of the D. I mean look at it, when we had Sapp in his prime, Shelton Quarles looked legit. w/o Sapp Quarles was average at best. there are other examples, but don’t feel like tyoping them all. YOu always start from the inside out and right now the D line is what needs help and starting in to out is our best option. I’m just praying STL takes a QB or we move up without giving up too much
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I had to stop reading once I got this far.
I see maybe 2 skill position player’s on this roster and that’s Stroughter and K2.
So Williams, and the other two RB’s arnt skilled? Not even mentioning Smith, who has a lot of potential.
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Skill position players
as in RB. WR, TE. It doesn’t mean the other’s aren’t skilled. It means we can’t count on them. It’s more a hope and a prayer. Seriously this offense is putrid.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Feb 18, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
I know what skilled means. Maybe I am just living through Williams rookie season, but he seemed pretty skilled last season as well. And I’ll say this too, he looked much better then Stroughter as well. Winslow was awesome, so cant argue that.
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I dont think anyone is forgeting the Offense...
Not sure what makes you think that…Just becuase the #3 pick is reserved for the most needed postion (DT). Other then that WR seems like a popular demand around here.
BTW- This is the Bucs were talkin about, not the Rams or Saints, Defense is our pride and joy. I dont know about the rest of the Bucs fans, but it was embarrasing seeing our D get ripped to shreds by everybody and anybody.
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Don't disagree
Love defense. Nothing would make me happier. I think the offense get’s overlooked because of most of the comment s in this post. It seem’s most think we are o.k. on offense. That couldn’t be further from the truth. We are developing a young QB that is said to be the franchise. if that’s the case they better focus just as much attention on that side of the ball. I know I am in the minority here but I actually believe our defense is ahead of the offense. When we switched back to our defense things really improved. Still bad but better. The offense is easily one of the worst in the NFL. You can’t expect Freeman to succeed with no help.
"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."
by SoonerSlayer on Feb 18, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
True, Freeman needs some more help to get it done...
… but the hemorrhage on DL has to be Priority #1. OL help and WR (especially so if Bryant is not retained). I wish and hope a couple of needs are addressed via trade or F/A before the draft, so we can focus mainly on the DEF. There is really no position on D that doesn’t need addressed. Some O positions are set.
by Cracker Ball on Feb 18, 2010 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I Agree...
Defense has been a large piece of the foundation of winning in Tampa. Just ask Rich Gannon and the Oakland Raiders (LMAO)! I mean, Brad Johnson was our starting quarterback in that season. Enough said.
Priority #1 – Build the defense to prevent points from being scored. If we don’t allow points, then the offense isn’t as pressured to score a whole bunch.
Priority #2 – Protect your quarterback.
Priority #3 – Develop your skill positions (QB, WR, RB, TE).
I hate to point out that this is pretty much the philosophy of the New England Patriots, but they did win three Super Bowls in four years (with the Buccs in between there).
We also need to point that our draft needs will most likely change going into the draft due to Free Agency.
We need to address the situations at DT, DE, CB, and S before we deal with getting a premiere WR threat and a new OL pieces. We could address some of those things in free agency.
by Tiny iZ Boss on Feb 18, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions

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