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What will put people back in the stands?

Dungy was not a big name, nor did he bring any. What he did bring however, were 'corners'.

For the answer, you need to only look back at recent, and ancient (as some would call this author) history of the Bucs and their two stadiums to see what trends have occurred past. Keep in mind that Tampa Bay is an area that has mostly existed as a home of transplants; people who have moved down from Michigan, Wisconsin, Chicago or New York. But even with that mixed heritage even the Bucs of 0-26 fame drew over 50,000 to the ire of former Dolphins owner Joe Robbie. He told Hugh Culverhouse, Bucs first owner, that the Bucs would be a huge financial success. But he had no idea they would out draw his Dolphins who had a winning team in the 1976 and 1977 season. 

The enthusiasm of those first Bucs fans has really fed the Bay Area for generations, and even in our worst days since, attendence has been recoverable, and bearable in its worst times.

Consider this: In 1995 when the referendum was put to tax payers to raise taxes to save the Bucs, that Tampa Bay was saved their franchise, when the likes of Cleveland, Los Angeles, and Houston could not. The Browns were a premier franchise in the NFL, yet that did not save them from losing football for several years. The Rams had been home in Los Angeles to big crowds in the LA Colliseum, but when they went through losing years, could not support the team. The Oilers, same story, as they would play to sometimes only 8,000 fans in the Astrodome. The Cardinals when they left St. Louis would play to even less, as would the Colts before they left Baltimore. There is just no excuse to put only 7,000 fans in an NFL stadium, and yet thats what these teams faced. The Bucs however, even in their worst seasons, would put 32,000 on a bad day. 

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Tony Dungy has a whole chapter where he talks about corners. He used to look up at the corners of the stadium, because he was told that is where he would see the difference when it happened. The corners are the last place anyone goes to sit. The Bucs went into a little win streak to end the 1996 season, and came out in 1997 with their new pewter gear. By week 3, the Bucs were 3-0 and hosting a nationally televised game against the MIami Dolphins. Dungy looked up, the corners were filled. 

So its not that hard to see that winning will be what puts the fans back in the stands consistently. They stayed there for the better part of the decade. Adding a fantastic player creates some buzz in the offseason. Same with a big name coach; it has a good feel to it, and boosts whatever it can at the time, which is season ticket sales. Losing the first few games will just do the same to those season ticket holders as the rest of them.

Of course that has nothing to do with guys from the other side. That is all about availability. The reason we no longer had to deal with Packers or Bears patrons, was a simple case of availability. With the selling out of season tickets, there were simply no seats available for enemy fans to pick up.  Enemy fans are more organized than locals, they plan vacations, airlines, hotels, etc. They will pick up the tickets that Bucs fans wont want until maybe Sunday morning is around.  When the season ticket rolls are filled again, you can kiss goodbye the cheeseheads wearing '4', and the many blue Eli 10 Jerseys. So how do we get the season ticket rolls filled up?         

How else but winning? That brings out the season tickets, game day tickets, stub Hub, ebay, they will all be busy with requests, when the wins come.                                        

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I have never look into season tickets for any sporting team

Losing the first few games will just do the same to those season ticket holders as the rest of them

I admit I dont know much about season tickets, except they are not cheap. I thought there was a time line when you baught season tickets…like before the season started. You say a big player or coach can boost season ticket sales, but if the team loses the first few games you are saying…season ticket holders will not show up and sell thier tickets to rival fans, or are you saying people will stop buying season tickets?

If its the ladder do a lot of season tickets get sold a few games into the season?

Also I have heard that a lot of tickets get sold from business that buy the tickets in a huge lump sum and use the tickets for their employees or to promote business. Teams like Detroit who royally suck since forever and they fill the stadium because of all the huge companys loacated there. Thus when this huge recession happend ticket sales went down because companies didnt buy as much…(again this is a theory I have heard)

"I will not amuse the tyrants or the susceptible."

by Hook85 on Jan 18, 2010 6:34 AM EST reply actions  

Hook,

I simply mean that season ticket sales will go up, but they will do what the other season ticket holders do, which is a combination of what you have above…..sell their tickets, dont show up, give them away, whatever, anything but use them.

My basic point is the big name, be it a coach or player, doesnt really do as much as just winning does.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan since 1979

by Niko Houllis on Jan 18, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I will never get season tickets again

for any sporting event. When I first got them for the Bucs it was the first year of the seat deposits and then going into the new stadium the next year or so. My ticket cost $360 the first year and then it went up like crazy until the last year of the 10year term which ended up being over $780 a year. That was too much money for me and I got out to let someone on the over 80,000+ people on the waiting list their chance at season tickets :) When the season starts and the team goes straight into the tank, I know from personal experience that I would ask if any of my buddies wanted to go to a game I couldn’t and more than likely I would end throwing the ticket away because no one wanted it. I am glad I gave them up because the cost was just getting insane, I can’t imagine paying the bill for multiple tickets in the club section.

A big player (Favre) will sell season tickets and if Tebow goes to Jville then I imagine season tickets will go up because of him. However, when the losing starts the fans leave and if you can get some money selling to rival fans I say go for it. Those tickets cost a lot to worry about some idiot talking about fan loyalty.

by ronnydobbs on Jan 18, 2010 9:04 AM EST reply actions  

no one said anything about fan loyalty,

your free to do whatever you want with your tickets.

My only point, is how winning will put more people in the stands, and in a better way, than anything else.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan since 1979

by Niko Houllis on Jan 18, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I know

I was just adding my little bs opinion, I totally agree that nothing puts fans in the seats better than winning or better yet sustained winning. If you somehow can get a team that wins multiple Super Bowls in a short span (dynasty), then you are set for a long time.

by ronnydobbs on Jan 18, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions  

very true. A Superbowl is such a windfall for a team and its area...

Two superbowls, I can just imagine.

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by Niko Houllis on Jan 19, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Winning... or at least the attempt at winning would certainly help.

What we now have is a lame duck coach maintaining status-quo. Just flushing another year and irritating the fans with more losing ways. We may go 3-13 again.

by Cracker Ball on Jan 18, 2010 9:13 AM EST reply actions  

your bordering on the line of trolling

when every single comment you make is about Raheem Morris.

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by Niko Houllis on Jan 18, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The head coach situation has a little bit to do with winning...

… except our head coach situation, which has to do with winning a little bit. Morris has everything to do with where we now find ourselves. You lose = no fans in the seats.

by Cracker Ball on Jan 18, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Boldin

Well guys as i was in cardinals blog i found something. They were talking about their qb problem if Warner leaves and one said why dont we trade for Josh Johnson and a 2nd rounder for Boldin. I think this would be a steal grated we keep our AB what do you guys think.

by amzinsbucs fan on Jan 18, 2010 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

Why would Josh Johnson

be relevant?

He’s not exactly all that good. That sounds like classic filler.

by FloridaownsFSU on Jan 18, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a whole lot of words for a simple answer: winning

Winning is the only thing that will consistently attach butts to seats.

by aakks on Jan 18, 2010 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

Although I know it will never happen

taking the current economic climate into consideration and lowering ticket prices would go a long way. We are currently on the upper tier of ticket prices in the NFL and we are fielding a lower tier team. Doesn’t surprise me that the seats are empty.

Is your question about selling tickets or about people attending games. Because a lot of season ticket holders didn’t bother attending games this year, despite the fact that the seats themselves were already paid for, they were still empty. As aakks said above though, winning will easily take care of either problem, but if we don’t turn this ship around next year then the front office is going to be forced to lower ticket prices as well as the price for the rest of the game day experience such as $20 for parking, $8 for a pint of beer, $6 for a hot dog. It’s craziness.

"Three or four plane crashes and we're in the playoffs" - John McKay

by LeeCaz on Jan 18, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

As of Jan 18th, 2010,

it looks like the Glazers read Bucem :)

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by Niko Houllis on Jan 18, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Who can blame them.

For Glazer’s eyes only:

Re-sign Caddy
Re-sign Antonio Bryant with heavy incentive laden contract
Get Karlos Dansby
Draft a DT first round
Demote Greg Olson back to QB coach
Hire Mike Leach to be OC
Offer Press Credentials and sideline passes to Buc ’Em writers.

There, I think that about covers it.

"Three or four plane crashes and we're in the playoffs" - John McKay

by LeeCaz on Jan 18, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

We have a big phone conference meeting next week with everyone from SB Nation,

which just this week got the last blog in place…they now have a dedicated blog for every team of the 4 major sports teams in America.
They are giving out press credentials to the SuperBowl to the two bloggers for the winning teams, as well as one blogger for sbnation.com.
Press credentials is something that is in the works, I have read some of the plans for seminars on how to behave yourself at one. OF course, all it will take is one moron to screw it up for everyone, so I hope no one does that.

Of course if that happens, I will have to start being more objective…
NAH!!!

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by Niko Houllis on Jan 18, 2010 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I heart your last idea.

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by 4QB on Jan 18, 2010 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

As do I

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by Buc Wild on Jan 19, 2010 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

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