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Bucs offseason starts off on the defense, but in the wrong way.

The 2009 season for the Bucs was awful.  The off season has started out just as bad.  Bucnut1 and Niko posted the fan shot earlier detailing Jermaine Phillips' arrest for domestic battery.  The Bucs are aware of the situation and as they put it, "will monitor the situation closely." 

This is surely not how Dominik, Morris, the Glazers, or Phillips wanted to start the off season.  Phillips, of course is an UFA (Unrestricted Free Agent) heading into the 2010 off season.  Safety is a position of need for the Bucs.  We have seen a year plus of Sabby's work and it has been underwhelming to say the least.  Flip is naturally a safety, after the failed experiment at linebacker (and let's hope we never venture down that road again). 

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A few months ago, I looked at Flip and how he compared in terms of games played to other strong safeties. You can take a look at that article here.  With Sabby no better than a reserve right now, and the Bucs begging for help on the defensive line, Flip could have made a case to come back and be the strong safety, at least until our 2ndor 3rd round pick was ready to roll (assuming we take a safety). 

My opinion of Phillips hasn't wavered much over the years.  I was never blown away by the big hits, because for every big tackle, there were 2-3 missed tackles.  He was a knockout artist who, if he did not connect on the first hit, had nothing left.  He had average hands and was never known as a guy who could ball hawk in the secondary.  His coverage skills were average and he seemed more likely to win the lottery than to catch an off target throw.  That's not to say he didn't have his strengths or that he didn't help our team, I just never felt as if he was the solution to our safety needs.  He certainly seemed to work hard and until now, assuming the allegations are true, seemed like a decent guy.

But with the latest antics comes the reality of the NFL.  If you can't stay on the field and don't perform when you are on the field, the off the field incidents make it that much easier to cut bait with you.  Coming off another injury plagued year, it was going to take a lot for him to stay with the Bucs.  I'd be surprised if that door wasn't completely shut now.  I said it in my previous article, and it seems to fit more now.  Thanks for the memories Flip, we're almost certain we've seen the last of your days in Bucs uniform.

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I agree

He won’t be missed much. He’s a highlight kind of player, but too often he’s on the wrong end. He’s somewhat of a choke artist in the open field.

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by FreeZorilla on Jan 11, 2010 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

I disagree
Flip is naturally a safety, after the failed experiment at linebacker (and let’s hope we never venture down that road again).

He was doing very good at the linebacker position until T-Jack got suspended and there was a lack of depth at Safety and the only reason things didnt go back because because Geno stepped up and Flip Broken his THUMB…. this guy does need to drink alot fo milk during the off season to help stengthen his bones or something

by Pareese Smith on Jan 11, 2010 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

Flip can't tackle and can't cover.

If you cant tackle as a safety (who played in the box, almost like a LB), then you have no business being a LB.

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by Buc Wild on Jan 11, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Cant Tackle ???

In his Last 4 Games the guy has 20 tackles… He has a total of 11 interceptions in his career of 8 years and 9 of those have come in the past 4 seasons… he has a Career total of 338 tackles with 213 of those tackles coming in the past 4 years… let the stats speak for themselves

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6043/career;_ylt=AnyIoRRqo0lxwJo1OFxTTFT.uLYF

by Pareese Smith on Jan 11, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you ever watched him play? He and Sabby are EXACTLY the same.

They both fly into the pile and miss more times than they connect. 20 tackles in 4 games, not a big selling point. That tells me nothing. 11 picks in 8 years. So just over 1 a year. Have you ever watched a ball bounce off his hands? Total stats doesnt mean he can tackle. I’ve watched him play his entire career and have watched him fly into a pile and completely miss time and time again. Or not wrap up. Plus the dude cant stay healthy.

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by Buc Wild on Jan 11, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree he can't stay healthy,

but one of the major differences between Flip and Sabby is that Flip had the instincts to be in position to lay the wood on receivers and ball-carriers. Haven’t really seen Sabby do that in his time with the team, and not sure it’s in his personality. In the last New Orleans game, he could have split Meachem in half to try and separate him from the ball, but instead tried to go over his back. Bucs could definitely use a thumper who makes receivers think twice before going across the middle.

by FLBoy84 on Jan 11, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

This is kind of funny

Buc Wild is usually the stats guy. I understand you want to come to Flip’s defense P.S. but unfortunately Flip’s numbers are pretty below average for an NFL safety. He was a fan favorite because of the thundering hits he delivered, but he was far from being a pro bowler. Darren Sharper has 9 interceptions this season playing the exact same position Flip did. He did have a knack for coming up with a big play every now and then, but those plays have been fewer and farther between the last few seasons.

"Three or four plane crashes and we're in the playoffs" - John McKay

by LeeCaz on Jan 11, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

13 games

the guy only played in 13 games in the last 2 season.. i will admit his bones are as weak and that he needs to drink milk but I like FLIP and think he was doing a great job at OLB before he had to go back to safety

by Pareese Smith on Jan 11, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

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Niko posted the fan shot earlier detailing Jermaine Phillips’ arrest for domestic battery

7 hours after I did.

http://www.bucem.com/2010/1/10/1244800/bucs-safety-phillips-jailed-on#comments

I now completely understand the term "Gooberville"

by bucnut1 on Jan 11, 2010 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

Easy tiger

I just went off what I saw on the front page. I’ll edit my post to make you feel better.

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by Buc Wild on Jan 11, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

No worries.

I don’t really care. Even if I had the power to put mine on front page, I wouldn’t have, especially if I was 7 hours after somebody else posted, lol. Just kidding around.

I now completely understand the term "Gooberville"

by bucnut1 on Jan 11, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't expect him to return next season before this mess.

Nothing surprises me though.

I now completely understand the term "Gooberville"

by bucnut1 on Jan 11, 2010 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

So ... does this increase the chance of choosing Berry (assuming he's available)?

Not that I’m advocating Berry’s selection (I’m a shore-up-the-trenches kinda guy), but at this point, unless options present themselves in free agency, we could just go ahead and try to develop what could become one of the best Safety tandems over the next half decade or so. Now there’s officially nothing in the way of us going that route (so to speak) …

by jMagic09 on Jan 11, 2010 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

Only if Suh and McCoy are gone.

I now completely understand the term "Gooberville"

by bucnut1 on Jan 11, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think it changes anything

Phillips was out this entire year and they decided to go with Sabby over him anyway. Piscitelli was a 2nd round draft pick and that is a lot of investment. I hope they demote him to special teams but I’m worried that they may give him one more year to even further prove that he is an idiot.

"Three or four plane crashes and we're in the playoffs" - John McKay

by LeeCaz on Jan 11, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't imagine they would give

him another year. Keep him for depth and ST’s, but they have to draft or sign a safety. I don’t take Berry if I can get McCoy or Suh. I still think there is a good chance of that happening. I would like to see them draft McCoy(I think he’s as good as Suh) and then trade up from their 1st 2nd to get Earl Thomas. He is a ball hawking safety that can tackle. If they could pull that off their D would instantly improve.

"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."

by SoonerSlayer on Jan 11, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I also have advocated

drafting Major Wright in the 2nd round as well. I think he is going to be good if not great NFL safety. /Not a UF homer either

"Three or four plane crashes and we're in the playoffs" - John McKay

by LeeCaz on Jan 11, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Admitted Longhorn homer

but still think Earl Thomas fits great here. Early projection’s have him from mid to late 1st round. If he drops into the mid 20’s I would like to see if we can move up. I wouldn’t give up a huge number of picks. We just have too many holes. I do think those two players would get us close to being a good D. Throw in a pass rushing DE and another corner and we are dominant again. Easy right. lol

"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."

by SoonerSlayer on Jan 11, 2010 4:42 PM EST reply actions  

Man I have seen so

many mid to late 1st round projections for these guys that it’s ridiculous. There are five or six receivers projected to go in 1st round etc. These are getting out of hand. There are only 32 picks in the first round. Some of these guys are going to fall into the 2nd and maybe even the third. It is a deep draft and I don’t think the projections are taking that info into account before they post their stuff.

"Three or four plane crashes and we're in the playoffs" - John McKay

by LeeCaz on Jan 11, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt

It’s real early. Once workouts start guy’s will start moving up and down. It’s why I am not worried about Suh and McCoy going 1-2, just yet. The obvious #1 before the season was Bradford. These thing’s change in a hurry.

"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."

by SoonerSlayer on Jan 11, 2010 6:16 PM EST reply actions  

Sorry keep forgetting to reply

"big-time players make big-time plays in big games."

by SoonerSlayer on Jan 11, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Its aight,

Welcome to the blog.

Desean Jackson is one hell of a guy.

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by 4QB on Jan 11, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

And boy does MJD know how to make people post 5000+ comments

on something totally stupid- WTF?

Desean Jackson is one hell of a guy.

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by 4QB on Jan 11, 2010 6:27 PM EST reply actions  

Well, we may need a safety after all...

… but please not Berry with pick #3. Maybe Earl Thomas or Mays at the top of Rd.2

by Cracker Ball on Jan 12, 2010 12:16 PM EST reply actions  

...

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Desean Jackson is one hell of a guy.

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by 4QB on Jan 12, 2010 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

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