enough is enough

Gruden’s fired and this excuse has been going on for months/maybe years. Remember that’s not the only reason the Glazers fired gruden though.

Nice spelling. Grammar’s impressive too.

I’m not gonna “bash” Gruden, but you said it yourself.

“wile everyone was always saying Gruden won with Dungys bucs no that was Grudens bucs, if gruden’s asst. coach made the suberbowl was it Grudens raiders?”

Assuming I’m understanding your English, then the answer is “Yes.” That’s exactly what happened. Gruden, who was billed as an offensive genius, came to Tampa and took Kiffen’s Bucs (we can leave Dungy out of it if that makes you feel better) all the way to the big show where he played his own team and destroyed them with the help of savvy players on our defense at the time (see Lynch, Brooks, Barber, et.al.). The turn of events was incredibly fortunate, and that became more and more apparent as consecutive seasons unfolded and we got to see what this “offensive genius” was really capable of, namely predictable running plays and short passes on third down. You can blame that on a lack of talent that he was working with, but that’s the fault of Gruden and our ex-GM.

I for one liked Gruden as a character. His scowls, his self-depricating humor in his press conferences… But bottom line is he never created the explosive offense he was meant to. Closest he got was last year I thought when Bryant had such a monster season. It’s a shame the defense collapsed and ultimately led to his dismissal.

Anyway, water under the bridge. Time to move on and give Morris a go. If you like Gruden so much, wait till 2010 when some other team picks him up.

While Tony Dungy and Rich McKay had a lot to do with the SuperBowl win, it was Jon Gruden who came in and envergized NOT ONLY the offense but the Defense too. Lets not forget, Our defensive clout was running out in 2000 and 2001. People were saying were not the same defense. We couldnt get off the field on 3rd downs, we gave up tons of rushing yards too. Jon Gruden, by Monte’s own admission, was the key architect in moving Shelton Quarels over to Mike LB. We all know how he did there.

Then, lets go over how Gruden won with Dungy’s team???
Over half of the offense was replaced! In fact, there was never more of a one season turn over on any side of the ball in Bucs History!

Look at the differences in personnel from 01 to 02
WR
Keyshawn, J.Green, R.anthony? to Keyshawn, McCardell and Jurivicious? are you kidding me?
TE Dave Moore and Patrick Hape to Ken DIlger and Ricky Dudley? DUNGYS TEAM?

now add on Romen Oben, Kerry Jenkins, Mike Pittman (only had one of the best superbowl rushing efforts ever)….

Look, there is no doubt they had their fingerprints on the team, and Jon Gruden had the class after the NFC Championship win AND the Superbowl to give credit to Dungy, but the fact is, He came in here, energized the offense, and Defense, and put in an offense that the new players of which over half were his bought into around mid season.

Tony Dungy did not win the superbowl for Jon Gruden, but we wouldnt have won it without him either.

…I love in Tampa for almost my entire life and seen tons of Steelers’ fans in bars everywhere around the bar area on Sundays during football season. It’s crazy. Them and Ohio State. I have to commend them for getting together so well outside of their home cities, but DAMN!!!

…people can say he won with Dungy’s players all they want, but the point is he’s the one that won it all. I love Dungy, but I also greatly respect the fact that Gruden led us to the promised land. People can bash all they want, but he was captaining the ship when we brought home the trophy.

though for what he did, he at least had some consistency in taking us to the playoffs all the years he was here. Gruden never got the chance because of all the picks and money we wasted in bringing him in. I like gruden, but i don’t love him. He was a good on field coach but off the field, he was not very adaptive let’s say.