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Ever since I was about 9 or 10, my favorite team has been the Buccaneers. The only problem is that I live in Michigan. With that being said, I don't get to hear any media on the Bucs, and sometimes can be left in the dark (well, except for this site.) To get to the point, I was wondering what all of the Buc's fans felt were the biggest team needs right now. Here are my top 5, but I could be off base

1.WR-clearly we need somebody besides Antonio Bryant

2.DT-Hovan is still solid, but Haye is gone

3.OLB-I really do not trust Quincy Black

4.CB-Ronde is still Pro-Bowl level, but even if Talib starts, we still need a nickelback

5.QB-I'm still not sold on Luke McCown being a starting quarterback

Recently, I made the 19th selection for the Buccaneers in the Pride of Detroit Community Mock Draft. I selected Peria Jerry, who I think would be a valuable asset to the team. I could have taken Andre Smith, who fell that far. Josh Freeman was still available too, but I don't think he is deserving of a first round pick. Did I make the right choice?

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yes you did. Though I feel OLB is a greater need, I’d love to keep FLip at the Safety spot. But If the bucs get Perry I wouldn’t be upset, Really If they went with any Defensive player i’d be happy. An offensive Lineman i’d be a little less but i could live with it, but a QB or a WR i’d pull my hair out.

by shadowchicken on Apr 11, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions  

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You dont trust Quincy Black based on what?

by zakattackthe on Apr 11, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Go Defense

I would say that we do not need a QB in this draft, they would just be another project and we already have 2 with McCown and Johnson. Also next year will have a better group of QBs to select from. I would say the main focus should be on defense and maybe a WR pick later in the draft if there any decent ones left if not more defense.

by JRyan on Apr 12, 2009 12:22 AM EDT reply actions  

We need a bookend.....for Gaines!!!!!

The first round pick has to be a DE………we have enough beef for Bates’ DTs ….we go four deep and all they need to do is get in the way……my pick at #19 is Michael Johnson from GT…..size and speed is a good balance for Adams on the other side…..

by buccanator on Apr 12, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Well

I don’t trust Black because he has no experience

Also, Michael Johnson was my second choice, but I heard his stock is falling a lot right now.

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by n1ck34 on Apr 12, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

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So you dont trust Quincy Black because he doesnt have experience, but would be willing to trust a rookie linebacker? That just doesnt make any sense.

by zakattackthe on Apr 12, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe

we could draft a rookie that has actually played decent competition, not New Mexico’s schedule

Check out nickandroll.blogspot.com

by n1ck34 on Apr 13, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

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So theoretically, you would rather start Cushing/Matthews, who play nobodies in the Pac-10, than Quincy Black who has 3+ years of NFL conditioning and experience. Not to mention playing alongside on of the best linebackers of all time.

by zakattackthe on Apr 13, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Holy crap

I’m just saying, I think we can do better. I totally forgot about Crowell, so him and Phillips can start on the outside, then Black can ride the pine.

Zakattackthe, who do you suggest we draft, or should we just skip it because we already have Quincy Black?

Also, yes the ACC does have decent competition, and the Pac-10 is not full of nobodies. 34 players were drafted out of the Pac-10 last year, the same number as the ACC, and the SEC. The Mountain West had 7.

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by n1ck34 on Apr 13, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

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I am not trying to be a dick, im just saying when Raheem said we would give some of the young guys a chance, i am pretty sure he had Quincy Black in mind. It is simply his turn, and thats how things usually work. You wait in the wings, hopefully get a chance, and ultimately.. either capitalize on that opportunity or dont. He will get a chance to produce at some point this year.

As for Cushing, i love the way he plays and would welcome him with open arms to our team. He would be an asset for a long time because of the things he can do on the field. I just dont think the Bucs will take him or any other LB. They already have some good young LB’s in Black and Hayes and will most likely use that pick elsewhere. I think it comes down to D-Line, WR, OT, or CB. They are bigger needs and higher value positions in this system.

by zakattackthe on Apr 13, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

from the way it is going, i think we can live with OT for now but other that i agree about the D-line, WR, and CB comment.

"Yeah, I am not the old annoying guy next door. Heck, I don't even know who i am"

by 4QB on Apr 13, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Trueblood is certainly replaceable and Donald Penn isnt exactly acting like he wants to be around. Just throwing it out there.

by zakattackthe on Apr 14, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

this is the craziest off season I have ever experienced……..moves have been mind boggling……Whatever we pick…..what the hell….why not……OT would be fine by me…..

by buccanator on Apr 14, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

To me the top four needs are:

WR – Antonio Bryant and TE Winslow are not enough. Clayton may be a solid blocker but he’s gotta improve into a solid catcher too. A serious home-run hitter is needed, which is why I keep singing Harvin’s praises.
DT – Almost no depth along the D-line. There’s talent but not the kind of talent that makes opposing QBs brown their pants.
CB – Serious depth concerns, and the veterans we do have are not impressive.
DE – While this isn’t as serious a need as WR or DT or even CB, depth is a major concern. I don’t expect a first rounder pick used here, but at least the Third Rounder is going to be used on a solid DE (or DT if First goes WR).

Past that, I’m kinda okay about the team.

by witty on Apr 14, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions  

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Definitely agree with you that these are the most pressing needs, but not in that order. DE would be a better value pick than DT at 19 if the right person is there. I would have our needs in the order of WR, DE, CB, DT.

by zakattackthe on Apr 14, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad you guys don't make the decision lol

your guys order is both wrong ill show you why.

We have a Explosive WR and TE.
We have a Amazing DE
We have a Outstanding 1 year CB
BUT!!! Who do we have at DT??…….Pending

So lets think this one through. why would you want WR, DE, CB, and then DT? Are you even Aware of What how Football is played (not to sound like a D*ckhead) but just take this into consideration.

by Maxumas on Apr 15, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

to be fair...

they need a DE and CB because football requires you to have 2 of each. Right now, they’ve got Adams (could be great) and… a committee of OK players. At CB they’ve got Talib (gonna be a star for a long time) and Barber (in the twilight of his career). They need a replacement for Barber, and they need it now.

DT is the most glaring need on the roster, but I doubt they’ll take someone at DT in the 1st (unless Raji falls) because no one at that point in the draft fits the new system. There’s some big run-stuffers in the mid rounds who may not be elite, but they don’t necessarily need to be. There’s going to be a rotation on the inside of the D-line, so one player isn’t necessarily going to have to anchor the line. It’d be nice if they could trade down for Brace, but if that doesn’t happen, expect them to wait til the 3rd or 4th.

by OfficerRodFarva on Apr 15, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

DT needs 2 as well. and we got NO ONE there. at least we got people at CB and DE. and CB can easily be filled in the Free agency and Jimmy wilkerson did Fine in the other DE position. With 5 sacks 2 Pass Deflections and 1 FF. Gaines did better but not by much. Chris Hovan DT did Sh*t. but if you think getting another CB or DE is main choice then So be it , but i Would hate to have you as a GM :) lmao

by Maxumas on Apr 15, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Value...

in the draft… at pick 19 in the first… is most likely going to be better at CB and DE. Jerry will be around, but he doesn’t fit the scheme. That was my point.

by OfficerRodFarva on Apr 15, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Maxumas, not to sound like a dickhead..but im extremely happy YOU dont make decisions in our front office. In our new D, if you can stop the run, you fit in. Regardless of if you have made a name for yourself or not. Simply stop the run and if you happen to blow by someone on a passing situation, great but not needed. This opens things up for not only one of our ends, but both. Therefore, it would be prudent to take an end to compliment Gaines Adams. At tackle its not always about numbers, even more so now than in the T2. Its about soaking up a couple guys so your ends and blitzing linebackers can get in the backfield. Its all about value bro. If you dont get what im saying then im sorry.

CB..you need at least 2 of these players. You mention that we have an “outstanding 1 year CB”. And who goes on the other side? Ronde Barber can not play bump and run at this point in his career and im not sure if he ever could. Torrie Cox? Elbert Mack?

 You really think a guy who is 300 pounds and meant to just eat up as many blockers as he can has more value or necessity than another corner or end or even receiver? Give me a break and please dont ever question my knowledge of football.

by zakattackthe on Apr 15, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dickhead lol JP

For starters didn’t mean to Test your knowledge (Just enjoy getting people worked up.. makes a better debate) but What good would a Rookie WR do us? would he also play Defense? lol or would this WR be so good that the Defense magically becomes good to? Signing a WR right now in the 1st round is to risky for a 1st and Jimmy Wilkerson did good enough on the other side of Gaines Adams. Rhonde Barber is fine he did amazing last year just because he slipped up in the last 3 to 4 games at the end of the year. and even if you need a 3rd CB pick up Ken Lucas from the free agency or another proven CB. and if you dont think Peria Jerry can do the job then why not Ziggy Hood?

by Maxumas on Apr 15, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

because ziggy hood...

is the same kind of DT as Jerry, but not as good.

They want big DTs. Jerry, Hood, and every other 3 technique Tackle in existence don’t fit that profile.

by OfficerRodFarva on Apr 15, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mister!!

ok mister Officer Who do you think we should pick?

by Maxumas on Apr 15, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Im hoping for possibly Robert Ayers from Tennessee or Tyson Jackson from LSU. If not them, Percy Harvin would be a great pick because of his versatility. I would also take Eben Britton from Arizona over a DT in the first round.

by zakattackthe on Apr 15, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No. No. and HELL NO

we don’t NEED a DE and if you wanna get a WR Trade the first pick for one of these WR on the market Who are Proven. not some Percy Harvin who is simply not going to help the team any. we failed in Defense during the last bit of the season not offense So why would you wanna Waste a 1st round pick on a “Maybe good” player who will “Maybe” help the Offense which isn’t in need of as much help as our Defense. and DE isn’t a need either. (i dont know how many times i need to mention his name)Jimmy Wilkerson is fitting in Just fine and Making Plays. But we dont have Sh*t for DT.

by Maxumas on Apr 15, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wilkerson's fine.

But there’s definitely room to upgrade. Jackson doesn’t make any sense because he can’t really rush the QB. Ayers might work depending on who else is available. I would hope that either Maybin or Everette Brown will still be around, but if they’re not, Vontae Davis might be the pick, since he seems to be the general consensus best man coverage corner in the draft.

I agree that DT is the biggest need on the team. The problem, though, is that Jerry and Hood make no sense given the new defense. Brace fits the system, but he’s going to be a pretty big reach at 19. If Raji doesn’t fall, and they can’t trade down for Brace, DT will wait til day 2.

by OfficerRodFarva on Apr 15, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

REally

so you wanna wait For a 3rd round DT that might not be there? so if he’s not there we are stuck without a DT? honestly i REALLY REALLY disagree with that.

by Maxumas on Apr 16, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

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So, you’d rather they draft someone in the 1st who doesn’t have any place in the new defensive scheme they’re installing? Honestly, I really, really, disagree with THAT.

Quality players come out of the later rounds all the time. Hell, our starting LT wasn’t even drafted. The highest rated DT they’ve had in for a visit was Ron Brace. He projects as a second rounder. The other 2 that have been confirmed in for visits project anywhere from the 3rd to the 7th round. So… apparently the Bucs agree with me.

by OfficerRodFarva on Apr 16, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently not..

If Ron Brace is a 2nd Rounder. then why in god’s name would you wanna Wait for him??? WE DONT HAVE A 2ND ROUND PICK!!!! this is you Drafting.

1st Round:WR Percy Harvin, or Vontae Davis or Who every you Want
2nd Round: We pick Ron Brace. Oops we don’t have a 2nd round pick damn there goes or DT
3rd Round:Who ever you think is “Suitable” for the Scheme who Probably Blows more thenwho we got now
Etc.

So you got yourself 1 player to Change the Whole team??? And im just going off of what your telling me maybe you can give me a better one. Atleast i hope because this one sucks

by Maxumas on Apr 16, 2009 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

jesus you're combative...

I said they should TRADE DOWN (meaning trade out of pick 19 for a much later 1st, or 2 2nd round picks) for Brace.

If they don’t:

1st: Vontae Davis, Michael Johnson (who they’re apparently very high on) or Brown/Maybin if either one falls.
3rd: Chris Baker, DT from Hampton
4th: DE, CB, or OLB, depending on what’s available and how they went in the 1st.

by OfficerRodFarva on Apr 16, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

and actually...

they could probably land either Baker or Terrence Knighton (whom they’ve both had in to One Buc Place for visits) anywhere in the 4th to 6th round range, if they felt like they were getting better value at another position in the 3rd (maybe Tyrone McKenzie? Louis Murphy?)

by OfficerRodFarva on Apr 16, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your damn right i am. :)

i just dont understand why you would trade down? we have a nice pick to pick up a good Player. and being big on a player doesn’t necessarily mean they want them. there are big on Josh freeman to. lol and alot of the Draft has alot to do with CHANCE. because if we dont trade down and you Draft Vontae Davis or Micheal Johnson. and you try to go to Ron Brace but there’s a good chance he won’t be there.. you get what im sayiing?

by Maxumas on Apr 16, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

... i know that ron brace will be gone...

by the time the 3rd round rolls around. I NEVER ONCE said they should hope for a miracle in the 3rd. Ron Brace will be gone in the top third of the second, if not late in the first. I’m pretty convinced you’re not reading what I’m writing.

There are solid, run-stuffing, huge DT prospects who will be available in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th rounds. Chris Baker and Terrence Knighton, for example, are two mid-rounders that they’ve shown a great deal of interest in. The reason that Peria Jerry is rated so highly is because he’s an excellent pass-rusher. In Bates’ new system, DTs rarely, if ever, rush the QB. Just read up on Run Contain and you’ll see what I mean: RUN CONTAIN ARTICLE

by OfficerRodFarva on Apr 16, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still

Peria Jerry or Evander hood can still be that Run stopper. just because they lack a some pounds doesn’t mean they can’t do the job. Shot if Jermaine Phillips could play Saftey im sure Peria Jerry can be that NT.

by Maxumas on Apr 16, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

square peg in a round hole.

There’s really no sense in drafting the best pass-rushing DT in the draft… to never rush the passer. Just saying.

by OfficerRodFarva on Apr 16, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

True

Starting not to like the new Scheme. lol

by Maxumas on Apr 16, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

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Ronde did great last year playing in the same system he has since he has been in the league. One that showcased his talent in zone coverage. This is a whole different system where man coverage down the field is key at all times. Speed and ball skills in man coverage are key and Ronde is lacking those 2 things in his arsenal.

by zakattackthe on Apr 15, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

Regardless of What Scheme they are using Rhonde Barber will fit in with it because if he didn’t he would have been right behind Derrick Brooks and if he Just so happen doesn’t Sign Ken Lucas or another CB who is proven.

by Maxumas on Apr 15, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ron Brace with a number 2

We do need a DT and I think Ron Brace fits the bill to a T. We will need to move some stuff around but if we can get an early second round pick and snag our guy, that would be great. As far as our first goes, Either DE or CB is the way to go. Does Alphonso and any of the other first rounders do a lot of bump and run? Cause if they do then they would be great but we can’t get a project with the first pick. We have a few needs that need to be addressed now and DE is one of them. We didn’t get enough pressure on the QB last season and a play making DE would help us a lot, especially if we are using our DTs as run stoppers. Who knows though, it would be nice to have Perria Jerry on the field for 3rd down.

by CarnageFL on Apr 16, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions  

nick134 im sorry but your wrong.

you say quincy blackisnt the man because new mexico is in a weak confrence and there is no good compitition. i beg to differ.its not the confrence that makes the player but its the player who makes the plays! rember a wr named jerry rice!? he came out of a little unknown school with a no name confrence and look what he became!. remember a couple of years back big bad oaklahoma beaten in overtime by who? oh yes boise st with star running back ian johnson! and that confrence aint no joke!. remember its not who you play but how good you play. and yes if we cant get a wr at 19 then ide go with johnson or english( oh ya n illionis another no talent confrence please.)

by BUCABING on Apr 19, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

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