2nd look at Freeman & Bucs big day on offense
There was an interesting list in the St. Pete Times of Bucs Quarterbacks with the most interceptions. Believe it or not, 5 isnt the record! Steve DeBerg has the most with 7 against the 49ers in 1986. Lets take a look at the list again...
Steve DeBerg 7 Sept. 7, 1986 49ers 31-7 L
Vinny Testaverde 6 Oct. 23, 1988 Vikings 49-20 L
Josh Freeman 5 Sunday Panthers 16-6 L
Vinny Testaverde 5 Nov. 4, 1990 Bears 26-6 L
Vinny Testaverde 5 Dec. 3, 1989 Packers 17-16 L
Vinny Testaverde 5 Sept. 4, 1988 Eagles 41-14 L
Doug Williams 5 Dec. 9, 1979 49ers 23-7 L
Not a big deal, each name here is someone special in Bucs History. Doug Williams was a winning QB for years, taking us to the playoffs 3 of 4 years here, and the team went 2-14 after he left. Steve DeBerg was QB for the Bucs best offensive year 1984 (Tied at 10th in offense with the 2003 team). Vinny did not take the Bucs to the playoffs, but he had an arm, and once he left, he had great years with the NY Jets. He had no one around him here.
Then I saw another list, that had something funny in it.
1. 573 yards at Minnesota (11/16/80)
2. 483 yards at Indianapolis (10/16/88)
3. 476 yards at Miami (10/20/85)
4. 475 yards at Cincinnati (10/29/89)
5. 469 yards at Carolina (12/6/09)
This list is the most offensive yards in a game in Bucs history, and its from the Pewter Report. What stands out to me are the Quarterbacks that I remember to have started each game.
Top one was Doug Williams, who had a 467 yard game on 11/16/1980 in Minnesota (Outdoors mind you, before the HHH Metrodome).
Numbers 2 and 4 are both under Vinny Testeverde. Number 3 was Steve DeBerg, who threw 4 TDs to Jimmy Giles, still a Bucs record for most TD Catches in one game.
Notice the similarities between the two lists? Same names. There have been dozens and dozens of Tampa Bay Quarterbacks, but these guys managed to come out on top on two offensive record setting lists.
Josh Freeman appears to be in good company.
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Another funny thing about that list....
They are all away games! Kind of crazy all of our biggest days on offense (yardage wise) came in away games.
Counterpoint:
First, Pewter Reports and ProFootballReference numbers are off. PFR has DeBerg with 365 yards passing.
What else do all of those other games have in common?
All of those quarterbacks completed 60%+ of their passes in that game. Josh Freeman? 51%. Yards per Game don’t mean anything other than that we threw it 44 times and called 49 pass plays.
DeBerg 32 passes (60%)
Testeverde – 42 passes (60%)
Testeverde – 39 Passes (60%) – Again PFR has his numbers at 336 Yards. Signifigantly lower than PR.
Williams – 50 Passes (55%) 2 INT (the most on this list other than Freeman) – Still a Yard Per Attempt higher than Freemans.
Try to be objective. He’s not special and he’s not brilliant. He’s a rookie making rookie mistakes in a system that forces him to throw the ball far too often. Could he be special? Sure, and I hope he is. Just asking you to take off your fan goggles for a minute. More to come on Josh Freemans numbers and some perspective.
"I have come that you may have life, and life to the max"
you are taking the information the wrong way..
1) its not QB yardage, its TOTAL OFFENSE yardage.
2) The point of the post, is those quarterbacks were pretty good quarterbacks, and Josh Freeman is in the list with them.
I personally think he will be a good quarterback too.
There are a LOT of people both fans and professionals in the football industry who disagree with you. He is special, as he is quite different from any other quarterback we have ever had.
Im being very objective, I will tell you if someone stinks. Id love for Michael Clayton to be a good receiver. Clayton stinks. Gaines Adams was terrible. I was not in his corner either. If I think a player is great, I will say so. Im basing it on every past Bucs quarterback that has done what he is doing. I have never seen anyone take over the position the way he has as a rookie. If he turns out to be a bust, Ill be one of the first ones to say it. But I dont see that happening.
There are people who think Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana, John Elway and Jim Kelly are over-rated. For whatever reason, there will always be someone who takes the negative point of view.
Viva la Bucco Bruce 1976-1996 (reincarnated 2009)
CHILL!!
I think people should chill on Freeman. Is he going to be great (or good) or bad is still way to soon to be seen. I think David Carr would have been a good quarterback if he wasn’t sacked 20 times a game and became gun shy. Lets just wait for the end of the year and then we can see what the kid has. Does he look good so far??? Hell yeah and it is easy to get excited. I am one of those people and I want to get a jersey with a #% on it, but I am also waiting.
BTW do you think that maybe they are throwing a lot because they have too much confidence in Freeman? I heard from a couple of people that they are throwing a lot because they want to develop him faster. Hmmmmmmm I don’t agree but what do I know? Yes I know not much anyway I would love to see Freeman get better every game and we lose so we can get that #1 pick….SUH???
I do realize I've gotten too excited about 'Freechise',
I expect a few more bad games…and some good ones. My main enthusiasm is just because we’ve never had this
Viva la Bucco Bruce 1976-1996 (reincarnated 2009)
by Niko Houllis on Dec 8, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I feel the same Niko
I just don’t want another bust for this team. We have had our shares for 6 life times.
That means we are due in...
You are right we have had more than our share of busts, I am thinking the odds have to be with us to come out of this with a few greats in our next few drafts.
by RuudAwakening on Dec 9, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions

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