Gameday Thread: Tampa Bay Buccaneers @ Carolina Panthers - Week 13 Edition
by Buc Wild on Dec 6, 2009 12:00 PM EST
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A large part of that 30th ranked rushing defense is thanks to Carolina's domination. Let's see how we fare in round 2 against Carolina. We have three division games left, lets see if we can't notch a win here and get rid of an "0-fer" talk.
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Wow, Talib inactive...
that might just take Steve Smith from a fantasy sit to a start. I’m surprised…. thought Talib would go. Good luck, E-Mack and Roberson. Bring it, guys.
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Good scenario for the Bucs
Moore starting at QB, Williams is out…
I blog the Carolina Panthers at www.catscratchreader.com
Dwayne Jarrett also out today for Carolina.
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Lee, if you're on here,
Put in 85 over Slaton for your flex. Slaton is INACTIVE for today’s game @ Jacksonville.
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Ndamakong Suh.....
…..consensus #1 overall pick?
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Head on knee...
that’s been the cause of a heckuva lot of concussions this season.
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Getting Steve Smith involved early.
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someone on the Panther site was commenting about SUH and how they should get him...
well keep beating us today, youll see him twice a year
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D-line not holding their gap assignments consistently
some missed tackles hurting too.
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TD Carolina.
That was too easy.
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That Caddy was gonna break that one.
Brady and Moss seem to love that play.
I like how Freeman is able to move like that. Hes a hard sack
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The way Freeman was talking to him, I'd say so.
Why does this seem to happen every week? I wouldn’t think this would be a big problem for professionals.
facepalm
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watch that again, it looks like he thought stroughter was going deeper
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This is the same problem as the last two games...
poor tackling
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We've had this problem against Carolina with 2 different HC and 3 DCs.
Its simply the personal not doing their job.
Well, who is the common thread...who has been in the middle all three games so far....
Ryan Sims
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With MIller out and wasnt Bennet out too? so that means Sims MUSt play
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Hovan, I didnt see too much, and the Moores didnt play too much in any of them
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At least this fits in with Olsen's playcalling scheme (pass heavy)
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Did you watch the NFL network pregame?
they were talking about how throwing too much effects the o-line and the running game goes down hill, they’re example was mn, AP hasn’t been doing too well.
I didnt see that, but it seems to make sense
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" But there was still 13:20 left in the first period..."
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Im seriously ready for the offseason..Im lining up my games to play on here...
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Think everyone is for the most part.
Our team is getting more injured by the weak and there’s things we need to fix in the offseason.
Now he just needs to get the holding penalty and personal foul out of the way
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Im not sold that that wasnt Dirk Johnson
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With his first kick he kicked better than any Dirk Punt this season
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Roberson is going to learn the hard way this year, Talib would have taken that the other way
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But he made up for the one play...
He seems to have that dirty P word…potential
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Nice tackle by Stovall on Stroughter
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We go 35 years without a good kick returner and now we have two of them
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He seems to have his best catches against Carolina
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If that ball was upfield, its probably a touchdown
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Great catch by AB
Too bad he probably won’t be here next year.
I thought I heard otherwise
I hope so tho. His injury woes this season have probably brought his price down a little.
That's a catch.
Gotta give Bryant that catch. It wasn’t moving when he had both feet down.
Eduardo Morlan = God.
Why do they keep putting him on our games?
I mean, every single team plays today. You’d think he’d want to get away from the Bucs.
and an Emmy for the ref for keeping us in suspense for 14 seconds
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Our line gave him nothing, he had to cut that outside
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Just not on short-yardage.
It seems like we can get it to 2nd & 2 and 3 & 1, but when we try to run for the 1st, we can never get it. It’s very frustrating.
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Sucks that we already had to use a challenge, though.
Crappy umpire overruled the other umpire.
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We have Chris Pressley?
I remember him from hard knocks on HBO. Good guy
the line judge was thinking
‘wait wait wait…this is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers…that can’t be a catch’. lol
Man, keep running it!
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or up the gut with the fullback.
Don’t hate the playcall, hate hte blocking.
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Ward is a good back, and he has even had some good runs here, but he just doesnt seem to do it consistantly
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No, he sucks because of the playcalling. 3rd and a long 1, on a line that hasnt blocked well and you run a FB drive? Thats awful
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I don't hate running the ball,
wouldn’t have called the FB’s number myself, but the blocking has just been crap. Again, WTF HAPPENED TO THAT “WE’RE GOING TO BE PHYSICAL” BS?????????????????????
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If we're running a FB dive, why not use Grahama
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Do you trust a practice squad guy who's been on the roster 4 weeks, or a guy who has been a starter for 2 years?
It may not have mattered, but thats why Im questioning the call and personnel. I dont mind the runc all at all, I mind the actual call
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I cant wait for Aaron Sears to come back next year
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I agree with you Craig...its never the call, its the execution..
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tell me something??
why didn’t we go for it?? I can’t watch it on TV only the chart thing on www.buccaneers.com??
Barth struggling again on kick-offs.
Sucks when your opponent is always starting from the 35+ every time.
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What's the matter with you a-clowns?
BREAK DOWN!!!! Fundamentals… my goodness. This is awful.
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Dude its the same people in there from the last two games..
..why would it be better
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Finally!
A play. Attaway.
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HAYES!!!!!! We're back in this now!
Not that we were every out of it yet LOL>..
I'm not so sure....
but I’ll keep hoping.
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Sort of off-topic.
I went to the Bucs vs. Dolphins game down in Miami, and all I kept hearing at the game the P.A. announcer say, “That’s another Miami Dolphins FIRST DOWN!” Sadly, I found myself saying that continuously at the ACC Championship Game last night. :( I really do hate that P.A. announcer. Stupidest chant in football.
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Not a great play, but I like a different playcall
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There's Truebloods personal foul, now just a holding penalty and he's done
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Trueblood...
I hope your ass is on teh bench for quite a while You’re a piece of crap.
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Trueblood has no business being out there
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Great throw by Freeman. Great throw
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One week too late, Connor.
Should have hit that last week against the Falcons. IN A DOME!
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Im ok with a miss here and there if its not by a mile. That was about 2 feet outside the posts...
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Don't be silly!!!
They’re not wearing pewter!
by RuudAwakening on Dec 6, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
In all fairness, Stevens isnt gonna get any sympathy
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True, you will probably never hear Stevens say...
“the guy raped me”
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How about a positive gain?
HEY-OOOOOO! I crack myself up.
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Geno Hayes having a good game.
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False start on Trueblo......oops, wrong team
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Is it me.....
Or is John Lynch (although one of my favorite football players of all time) a horrible announcer?
They do as color men..
I think Moose and Aikman are very good..
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Absolutely
I think Aikman is a tremendous color guy, although I like Al Michaels better than Buck as play by play.
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he is still learning, and he knows everyone is going to watch this to see if he is being a homer or not
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I think he's doing fine.
But yes, like you say, he’s just getting started.
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OK, my bad guys....I just notice a lot of mistakes.
by RuudAwakening on Dec 6, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Oh they all do!
read the times tomorrow, every monday they have a section where they critique the TV announcers of the game
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Craig T and Devilray 187 will be here all week
please tip your servers
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J-Wilk putting the heat on.
D starting to turn it around a tad.
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Ugh, that block in the back wasnt needed
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Saints and Redskins tied.
And seems Texans are still sulking.
Davin Joseph said on the radio this week
that they are still mixing zone-blocking and assignment-based schemes. Wonder if there is some confusion or if they’re just not physically getting it done.
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no, Pittman would do that foot dance first, then trip
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I wnat to see Caddy get into a rhthmn
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So that's how they split 'em?
2 series a piece? Regardless of who’s hot?
Yea…that makes a lot of sense
Freeman needs to lead the guys just a bit more
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Meh, he had time, but what can you do.
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Just a touch overthrown. Good idea
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That's how you lose games.
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Trueblood or Clayton would like to argue that
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Haha!
Took the words right out of my mouth (keyboard). I was just about to type that.
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no, kicking too many is how you lose games...instead of TDs
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Its a numbers game. You can take a wad of paper and throw it at a trash can 5 feet from you.
I promise eventually you will miss.
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No, but it hurts when he misses a makeable kick.
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As am I.
Word is that Bates’ tears can cure Cancer. Too bad he doesn’t cry. Sorry. I couldn’t resist.
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Tim. Crowder.
Buc’Em’s featured Week 13 player. Nice.
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Crowder has been a nice/cheap find.
The same can be said for that whore I picked up off of Nebraska Ave. last night.
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Hey-ooooooo!!!
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Nice to actuallly see a sack by our D
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Lets go offense, just dont turn it over
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THis should be pretty conservative
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very true...He delivered a nice ball to Bryant there, hit him in the numbers..Would have been a tough catch in traffic though.
by RuudAwakening on Dec 6, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Just breaking in Freeman the way they broke in JJ and Leftwich
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considering the way this game started, coming out after the half only down by 4? not bad
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Heck yea...
this game was slipping away quickly
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Bucs will get the ball first in the 2nd half.
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FOr what its worth, 19 pass attempts and 10 rush attempts.
Keep the balance, stick with 1 RB and let Freeman go to play action deep. Thats a model for success
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It sucks that Clifton is out.
But, I do like Stroughter as the return man. He has done a superb job filling in for Peanut.
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I like Stroughter, but I like it better when we have smith as a dedicated return man
and stroughter can focus on helping the offense..
by RuudAwakening on Dec 6, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone is saying the Saints are the team of destiny.
But Manning is simply a beast. The man simply drives his entire team.
still lopsided.
thats hard to believe…I felt like we ran it a lot.
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I don't know
I don’t usually listen
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by 4QB on Dec 6, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Let me guess
the curse of Jay Cutler.
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by 4QB on Dec 6, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I dont think they did, its 17-17 and they gave Meachem the fumble return
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Thanks guys!!!!
For keeping the game entertaining for me. LOl I live in West Palm beach FL and I dont get to see the Bucs. Can you believe it???
they have game feeds listed on the boards on bucpower.com
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Lets get this going. Cmon offense, balance.
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That was SCARY like the play where he blew his knee out
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Freeman.....
slide, son. My goodness.
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I watch the game again tomorrow with Gene on audio so I can here his stuff
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OMG whatta catch!!!
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AB loves playing against the Panthers
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And he went down so he didnt get killed
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He is trying to top that one hander from last year
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You could be right.
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Which reminds me
I was volunteering at MOSI Today, I saw at least 4 bucs t-shirts, 1 redskins shirt, and there were two clowns in MOSI.
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by 4QB on Dec 6, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
I wont be surprised if he is back, he sounds like he just wants a contract, not so much the sick money
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Does Bryant hate the residents of Charlotte, NC?
He certainly likes making them hate him; that’s for sure.
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I translated that to
“After the review, that catch was sick and I have to give that to him.”
I thought for sure it was moving.
I guess I took for his arm as the ball. The last angle shows that he gained possession of the ball.
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those 5 seconds were worth all the pulled hamstrings that just happened
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Looks like we sent out 2 WR's and he stared them down
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Interception. (AB was covered anyways)
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Its ok to throw it away there. No need to force it
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Thats it, he has to learn that.. I think he knows he was forcing
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The playcall wasnt bad, just bad execution
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watching that a few times, it was just a bad throw for Freeman
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Olsen seems to have an aversion to running
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They haven't invented words strong enough
to describe how incredible stupid it was not to run the football. First and goal at the 5. WHYYYYY. Freaking why!
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*incredibly
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I agree, Olsen just doesnt like to run the ball.
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Id love to make an excuse, but there isnt one.
Nothing wrong with calling a pass play, but you have to execute. This is the first game this year the red zone offense is this bad
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I respectfully disagree.
The percentage play is to run the ball. But as you say, the ball should’ve been handled with more care.
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Hovan almost got a sack. Which is illegal
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Run defense sucks and Geno almost got that ball
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Look at that Olsen
they run the ball and then go play action and the line has to respect it.
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To be fair
our backs haven’t been up to pick up that kind of yards.
Sometimes the threat of the run is just as effective
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It needs a theme song
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by 4QB on Dec 6, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely.
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Lets keep some balance on offense. Freeman has been pretty good on playaction
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I wish it was Caddy, but I'll take it. Keep mixing it up
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ANy reason why they took out Caddy? Running well
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Great freaking question.
I… heh… I dunno. I’m speechless. Better to say nothing than something mean.
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God... nothing going right even when something DOES go right.
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Our special teams set us up again like they have every wother week Freeman has been in. Lets see if he can cash it in again
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Olsen, what the hell are you doing.
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AB is covered by two guys, go to someone else. Terrible read
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Please stop that *(*%^%^&^&.
K?Thx!
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ANd we refuse to run the ball. 24 to 14 pass vs run.
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There really has to be a reason for it..its almost too suspicious now
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well, if he threw that to the back of the end zone, it would have been a TD
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I don't know.
There was a safety right there with deep help, along with a trailing corner and underneath LB zone coverage. Just a “turrible” read.
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Freeman has to learn to not force it. He did that well in his first 2 games and now is forcing everything
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I know no one wants to hear this, but we won a game in Vinny's first year when he threw 4 picks lol
thats what this reminds me of
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That ball had no business being in the middle of the field. That shouldve been outside
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Please fire Olson he’s an IDIOT!!!! First and 5 to score and he calls a pass?
Please can we have a team! Morris and Olson are making me an anti fan.
IDIOTS both of them.
Not Morris
Olson-that guy is a douche.
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by 4QB on Dec 6, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think its becoming obvious that they are leaning towards passing the ball more to escalate Freemans maturity.
There is no reason to pass with that frequency, when the QB is throwing picks.
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Freeman and Olsen have to get this together
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That was NOT a block in the back,
you beezos!!!
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Its to much of a disparity to just be "he likes to pass too much".
Even a pass happy coordinator doesnt pass that much.
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Well said.
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Its obvious
that the head ref is tired of calling block in the back calls.
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See, the threat of the run freed up a play. Now learn from that
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Thought Caddy was gonna break that one
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I think you can challenge first down, but Im not sure you could on that particular play.
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He had the dump off. Hes trying too hard to hit the big play
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He needs to figure out that 4 yards is better than none and that apunt is ok most the time
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Goodness....
gunslinger. Good thing he didn’t shoot himself on the foot on that one.
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Id prefer he throw it to his checkdown
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He was open within 1.5 seconds of the snap. That was the first look I saw
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GIve that man the ball. He ALWAYS gets better as the game goes on.
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now COME ON FREEMAN...
be careful with the ball!!!
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If the skins and their dismembered franchise
can win, WHY CAN"T WE?
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by 4QB on Dec 6, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
A surprise, but let down was pretty apparent for the Saints.
And the Texans are still in the game, but they are still pouting from last week
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Run the ball, that will open up the pass play.
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That is why we don't run the ball!!!
That way when we do it is a surprise and they won’t know what to do!
and its so nice to know some people never change..
Bruce Gradkowski- 11 of 18 126 yards. Raiders 6 Steelers 10
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Fail Steelers
they should be winning this by a mile.
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by 4QB on Dec 6, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Historically, when he hits the 20 carries, he averages over 5 yards a carry
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These refs are heavy in favor of us it seems
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2nd and 1, Id say run it, get a new set of downs and go
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Rollouts are hard to create.
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by 4QB on Dec 6, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
I think they should go Freeman up the gut. He's gonna get it.
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wow Bucnut, we dont even have the guy yet, and you have him lining up at fullback
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thats why we dont run the ball on 3rd and goal I guess
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2nd down he shouldve dumped it to Caddy
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Oh my God.
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I hope they get it, but with this much time left, a FG may not be bad.
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Field goal or go for it?
I say take the points…
With 10 min, I say take the points
but I can see the logic behind going for it. With this much time left and the way our D is playing. Take points imo
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Were 1-10, go for it, and if you dont, you have them pinned.
We have nothing to lose.
Win the game, or stay in the Suhweepsakes
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Are there words anymore?
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10 minutes left, take the effing points. We still had enough time
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Olsen seems to be backwards on play callin
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ok, we cant say dont run it here and then dont pass it here...
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Aaaaaaaaaand that's a killer.
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It doesnt matter, Neither mack nor Roberson can take on Smith
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Points would have been huge, but what else can we do. Cmon D
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10 min left, and until that long pass, we had been stopping them. ANd with Freeman forcing the ball, take the points, take it off his shoulders
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We knew he was going to have a game like this.
Just sucks because the game is winnable
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THats the right play call by them, their fans are idiots
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Yep, long pass to Steve Smith got them down the field
the threat of the run opened it up
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Charlie Weiss + New England=
Hello superbowl for the Pats.
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by 4QB on Dec 6, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Good return. We need a big strike and fast
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Still time to stay balanced, you dont have to get all out of whack
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Freeman stepped into that, thats the difference
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Freeman is tons better when he steps into his throw
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Good idea.
But please dont just abandon the run.
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Damnit
Can’t rely on our FG kickers for nothing.
WEnt for it on 4th and missed and then missed a FG. Just what bad teams do
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theyre not bringing in another kicker. He missed those FG by inches and a foot
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Games not over and its 34 to 22 pass to run
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Ok, really
who wants to see Cowboys-Giants= The giants are so overrated.
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anyone noticed how the run defense has improved somewhat?
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Eh, i guess we had no where to go but up
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Lynch almost blocked that (I think it was Lynch)
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He is going to have 6 blocks by time his career is over
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Hope that isn't in his contract like Chukwurah
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Lets see a deep route to support the crossing routes
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These regs are trying so hard to give us the game
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it may not be popular, but that last kick was a matter of inches away when kicked from pulling in, instead of pushing out.
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If Fox threw the flag and they have no challnges, thats a penatly
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This is a penalty on Carolina. They used their challenges
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This happeend 2 weeks ago. Perreira said this should be a penalty. Where is it?>
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Ok, Im out early, Im going to write up the review and then watch the redzone channel. Hopefully Cleveland wins so we can lock in Suh
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less than 20%
For what its worth, he brought in a franchise QB.
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by 4QB on Dec 6, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
+ for all we know=
We brought in a hot headed non players coach- didn’t work
We brought in a cool headed players coach- isn’t working
WHAT’S NEXT?
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by 4QB on Dec 6, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Barely warm
He’s not anywhere near the chopping block yet.
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Ok, good play, move the chains, please go downfield
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He has to go downfield at some point. Nothing up the seam?
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Gradkowski just led the Raiders to score and go up 27-24 with 9 secs left vs Steelers
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Carolina has lost almost 30 yards of rushing offense
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Gradkowski threw for 308 yards, 3 TD and 0 INT
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Who is this Bruce gradkowski
guy, is he Payton’s Son?
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by 4QB on Dec 6, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
Washington about to 10 up on the Saints too
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Bruce was stuck at 150ish in the 3rd qtr. He must have turned it on in the 4th
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He's led them back the last 3 games with a chance to win.
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Patriots just threw a pick. Should be a Miami win
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If they do the
smart thing.
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by 4QB on Dec 6, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Shouldve got out of bounds or slid, and did neither
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Redskins jus tmissed a 23 yard field goal that would hav eput them up 10
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Wake up in the morning
feelin Jake Delhomme, Im out the door- im about to throw some interceptions.
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by 4QB on Dec 6, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
That FG we passed up is looming large
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Shouldve taken the FG way back when, and shouldve kicked there.
Stupid. He looked bad.
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You Sir are hilarious
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by 4QB on Dec 6, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Olsen is as much to blame. He is not giving our QB a chance to be successful
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Olsen needs to learn that to help a quarterback be succesful, you play to his strengths and dont ask him to do too mcuh
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I'm out of here. Be interesting to see how this loss is spun.
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wow,
saints game is amazing.
http://www.justin.tv//rwbtv21
streaming at that website! amazing check it out bucs fans!
By the way, I will be talking about Olsen's lack of a gameplan
What is our offensive game plan? Carolina has been good this year against the pass, and we continue to throw, He has no plan whatsoever and it shows.
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wow putting the blame only on olsen is just not right.
freeman has made some real bad throws he should not have. our d got steam rolled to open the game and set the tone. seems to me morris should,nt be calling and coaching cause he sucks at both. olsens not doing a good job either tho he did get the ball moving a couple times today. what happen to #82 today? we are looking like we should be in the ufl
Defensive playcalling was fine
Execution in the beginning was not and injuries didn’t help.
How can you fault the defensive playcalling and then say Olsen gets a pass?
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