Big name coaches sound great...until you look at the history.
I heard the rumour. We were going to get a coach that has been very successful in the past. He took a team to the Superbowl, and he knows how to run a powerful offense. I was so happy when we got that coach, because now it would all change.
Problem was, we didnt get Boomer Esiason and Icky Woods and Chris Collinsworth in their prime with him. Sam Wyche certainly looked like the real deal, but did he look any more the role than Ray Perkins did before him? Perkins, who started off the Giants Playoff run in the early 80s before handing the team off to his defensive coordinator Bill Parcells, never won more than 6 games in one season here. And the time he finally did, he was fired after that 6th win. The Bucs partied so hard the next week Vinny Testeverde ran in for a 48 yard QB Touchdown run.
Wasnt much different for Leeman Bennett either. He was selling RVs in Georgia (it was his own business now, give him a break) after getting fired for not getting far enough with his powerful Atlanta Falcons. He had guys like Steve Bartkowski and William Andrews playing for him. Leeman had Steve....DeBerg here, and an unpolished Steve Young. He won 4 games....in two years.
In fact the only argument for the case is Jon Gruden, who had some success and came here to energize a Bucs team with more juice and took them to the Superbowl. But Gruden had no championships to speak of, he was still an up and coming coach.
Bill Cowher would come in with all the numbers. The 10 division championships. All of the playoff appearances, all the AFC Championship games, and maybe most importantly, doing it with all bunch of different guys. There is no doubt the man can coach.
But will he repeat what he did in Pittsburgh here? Will he be given the 15 years here too, in a community that wouldn't give Raheem Morris 4 games before calling for his job? Does the past carry that much weight?
Keep in mind, in 1995 when the Glazers had decided enough is enough with ole Sammy Boy, they had their eyes on Bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson, and Steve Spurrier. Oh how people wanted the 'ole Ball Coach here. Instead of Trent Dilfer we would have had Danny Wuerfful throwing to Reidel Anthony.
In the end, it was the guy who had been overlooked for 15 years who did the job just right. Tony Dungy, WITH a General Manager, Rich McKay, built the Bucs into the playoff contenders they were. ...and it didn't look good for him either at first.
The biggest draw to Bill Cowher, or Shanahan or any other big name coach, is that he will sell tickets. When we go see the latest movie, we want the theatre to ourselves. When we watch a Bucs game, we want every seat full; and full with a pewter and Red clad person. Too often lately we are seeing empty seats or ones filled with Green or Blue. But this problem wasnt solved in 1996/97 with the hiring of a big named coach. Tony Dungy may have sold about 50 extra tickets by himself, but thats not how he filled corners.
Corners you ask? Those familiar with Dungy's book, will know of his story on how he was told how to gauge if he was successful or not by checking out the corners of the stadium during the national anthem. When the corners are full, then you know you've done something, because the upper corners are the last places people want to sit in a stadium. Towards the end of 1996, the stadium started to do better. By 1997, Tampa Stadium, or Houlihans as it was called, filled up more and more, and with less and less of the opposing team.
The recipe for filling up the stadium? Wins, not Names. The 1996 team won 2 of their last 3 games, and started out 1997 with 5 straight wins. The successful atmosphere propelled the Stadium season ticket march for Raymond James, which sold out before the season, removing the option for opposing fans to purchase 30,000 tickets to see their beloved packers.
Raymond James will fill up again, when the wins become regular, even the Club seats will fill up. Right up to the corners.
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Pay Attention to History as Well
No coach in the history of the NFL has won Super Bowls with two different clubs.
No head coach has won with multiple teams
Plenty of position coaches have, some who have gone on to be a head coach
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by Buc Wild on Dec 29, 2009 7:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think that is just 'one of those things' meant to be broken.
I remember when no team won a Superbowl that lost its first game. In fact, no team WENT TO a Superbowl. So when I was a kid, I was watching the 81 SF/Dallas NFC Championship game and knew the 49ers lost in week one to Detroit, so I said as a kid, well there is no way they can score here. One Catch later, that was broken.
Holmgren almost did it, beating Pittsburgh. But that was such a wierd Superbowl to me….Seattle was still an AFC team to me back then! That was like an AFC Championship game when it happened.
I think someone will do it, but only a few coaches are good enough to repeat success. No one has here.
I think its because when they get good, they get good by having a GM pick players for them, then they get famous, and demand full control, and now they no longer have a GM signing players, and they pick up crap.
Go Lions! en-dom-e-ken in 2010! Or we'll take McCoy for the Saints to enjoy.
Sam Wyche
Hell of a coach, great eye for talent, doesn’t get a lot of credit even though he did draft a good handful of “Tony Dungy’s Guys” So, anything pre-Glazers falls into the crap hole we call the Culverhouse error. Mr Cheapo himself, didn’t care to win, but loved his creamsicle orange jacket. I don’t find it odd that once he died and the Glazers bought the team from the trust, the Bucs started winning. But yet I find it odd that people will blame good ol’ Sam.
There was nothing better than watching the entire stadium copy his hand gestures. Guess you had to be there.
That was hillarious, the twirl signal everyone would do.
I remember some guy threw a pair of binoculars at him! Wyche that is.
However, its debatable if it was Wyche or McKay that picked the talent that your giving Wyche credit for.
I wasnt there, so I dont know..Id be willing to give benefit of the doubt and say Wyche had an eye for talent. I have no idea who picked talent in Cincinnati. Wyche was a smart guy. But they said he would rather fool you than beat you.
There was just something wrong about him….and the way he treated Dilfer was messed up. He should have just cut him. Casey Weldon wasnt going to do anything for you!
McKay was GM starting in 1993, so thats Brooks, Hardy, Lynch and Sapp.
Now can you put those 4 guys in proper chronological order?
Go Lions! en-dom-e-ken in 2010! Or we'll take McCoy for the Saints to enjoy.
by Niko Houllis on Dec 30, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
it is just crazy your against cower coming here. and for morris staying.
how does a team get wins.they have to be coached.morris has no exp to speak of. while cower, who knows what he could do with this team.it really dont matter cause the bucs are going to do what they want.i can bet tho that if cower says he will come here.hes hired.any good owner who wants to win would.cower can and would win with this team period.we have to hope morris can find his game(witch he may).
I have specific reasons for not wanting a coaching change from Morris to Cowher..
1) no reason to start over again, we just did.
2) you have to completely retool the defense with 3-4 players, that will take 2 years Minimum.
3) You dont need experience to motivate players. Its quite obvious Morris knows how to do that. The team never quit on him.
Go Lions! en-dom-e-ken in 2010! Or we'll take McCoy for the Saints to enjoy.
by Niko Houllis on Dec 30, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
Plus Im tired of the "Morris has no experience" thing which is flat out untrue..
He has been here since 2002, learned under Monte Kiffin and Mike Tomlin. Went to K State and excelled there; all of K States Defensive stats went up until a year after he left. Then he came back as D backs coach, and our Defensive backs started to play much better. This part isnt an opinion. This is a fact that is backed up by numbers. So please lets not say Morris has no experience. He just doesnt have any head coaching experience. I dont know of any rookie coaches who do.
Look at Cauldwell in Indianapolis; he was 13-0 as a first time head coach. He made a mistake resting his players (if you see it that way), something you learn along the way. Jon Gruden made the same mistake, and he was no rookie.
Bottom line, you have to give Morris another year to see what he can do, because now it looks like he can do it.
Go Lions! en-dom-e-ken in 2010! Or we'll take McCoy for the Saints to enjoy.
by Niko Houllis on Dec 30, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
I'm asking this because I honestly haven't looked it up.
How did Cowher do in his first year as a coach? Did he immediately build a winner? What kind of team was left for him? I’d be interested to see what he had to work with and how he started out as a coach.
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To clarify, I know he was successful
and in no way am I questioning his resumé but what kind of team did he have? Did he have a defense (a good one) in place? A QB? etc.
Morris may have been seen in a different light had he been left with what Gruden got when Dungy was fired. Situation can change perception very easily.
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1989- 9-7 wild card, won WC game, lost 2nd round, 1990 9-7 missed playoffs
1991 7-9missed, Cowher comes, 1992 11-5 division winner, lost first round, 1993 9-7. Wild card lost first round
Glazers wont Cowher to pressure, Morris will be back in 2010
by Niko Houllis on Dec 30, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
He did well
He finished 11-5 his first year. Chuck Noll finished 7-9 the year before that, so Cowher ultimately added 4 wins. He lost in the first playoff game.
The Rooneys always try to build a winner. The Glazers are building a cheap team to survive the lockout. Once the lockout is over, regardless of our coach, I predict they’ll start paying again.
For the record, I’m a Morris supporter at this point.
Sorry
We must have typed at the same time. Correct me if I am wrong, but the Steelr’s build through the draft more so than FA. So they develope young players as well, which keeps their PR down too. I do not believe that throwing money in makes a great team.
I agree
I think that’s true as well about throwing money at free agency. Look at Dan Snyder. However, there are mid level free agents that could have helped the team in transition and the Glazers were uninterested. I don’t think this is bad. In fact, getting young players playing time is a better decision in my opinion. But when some say Raheem is a failure because he couldn’t make the playoffs with a bunch of first time starters in his own rookie year, I find it laughable. The Glazers aren’t trying to build a winner this year. So why compare the two?
He improved the team
1991 – 7-9 (Nolls)
1992 – 11-5 (Cowher)
I beleive the team had a great deal of talent though.
see above for a 5 year summary
Glazers wont Cowher to pressure, Morris will be back in 2010
by Niko Houllis on Dec 30, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
But weren't the Steelers God awful in the 80s? I know before the 70s they were the worst franchise in the history of sports. They still would be if Cowher wasn't so successful there in the 90s and 00s.
Before the 00's we were the worst franchise in the history of pro sports... lol
Go Magic/Bucs/Gators/Rays!
I don't think they still would be the worst if not for Cowher...
you are discounting that amazing ’70s Steel Curtain team that we have to thank for our modified Tampa 2, that Dungy and Kiffin adapted their Defense from… Well, and Dungy was on that Steel Curtain team with Mel and the boys!
Go Magic/Bucs/Gators/Rays!

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