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Whats wrong with the offense? Lets start with some coaching shall we...

Just not the one your thinking. After watching the Jets game over again (Yes it was more painful to watch the second time around), I thought about the reasons why we could be playing so bad here in week 13, when it appeared we had begun to play better. Well everyone was right...its coaching. But, not so fast; I'm talking about assistant coaching. Because before I am up for a wholesale change of coaches for a team that had zero to no talent to begin with,  lets look at what was observed in game replay.                       

I'm not going to sit here and say that Offensive Line Coach Pete Mangurian is not doing a good job, because there is no way that I know enough, but if we are going to look at coaches responsible for getting players ready, dont we look at positiion coaches too? True Mangurian came from the Patriots, but he was the tight ends coach there for 4 years. Yes he coached the OL with Dan Henning in Atlanta before New England.

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Another thing to consider about the O line, is the disaster that is/was the OC this year. First they were told to lose weight and learn the Zone Blocking scheme. Now that has been abandoned, and they seem to be getting dominated by a much better defensive front 7 than people give the Jets credit for. Not that the line had ever been considered a dominant rushing line. Its strength has always seemed to be pass protectiion (or false starts from the right tackle position) rather than run, and if anything, Aaron Sears was probably the best run blocker on the team. Still, if we can criticize Bill Muir......

Tim Berbenich is listed as the assistant wide receivers coach, but on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers own website, I do not see a Wide Receivers coach besides Berbenich. He has been with the Bucs for the last 4 years, prior to 2009 he was the quality control coach in 2006 and 2007, then in 2008 he was assistant running backs coach when the Bucs rushed for a 4.07 per carry average; 5th best in Bucs history. He partnered up with running backs coach, Richard Bissacia. Injuries have hit the WR corp hard this year, with Antonio Bryant, without argument the best WR, pretty much being missing everything from the get go this year. He seems to only now be in proper form. So just when we get our starting  WR back, our second string one goes down(Clayton), and our third (Stroughter). Is it little wonder the offense did not acommplish much. AB was being canceled out by Jets shut down corner Darrelle Revis, so the heart of our passing offense was Brian Clark and Maurice Stovall. Again, not sure if coaching is the problem here, but WR position is weak enough talent wise, after you talk about AB that is. I expect some coaching changes at One Buc, and assistant coaches should not feel safe.

Speaking of running backs, why dont we run the ball more? Well, we are very inconsistant in our rushing attack, and I think you can bet that this seasons running backs coach will not be back in 2010. That would be Steve Logan, who before coming to Tampa Bay this season, was the Offensive Coordinator for Jeff Jagodzinski at Boston College.

Thats right, he was the guy who CALLED plays for Jagodzinski at Boston College, so I'm guessing the Bucs did not want to remove the Offensive Coordinator AND and Running Backs coach too. Jags was fired 10 days before the season started because he could not call/implement and NFL capable offense. 

I do not think Mark Dominik and Raheem Morris, plus whomever else is responsible, had any idea how many dominoes would fall if they didnt get their picks as OC and DC right.

On the defensive side, expect the Bucs to go after defensive backs coach Jimmy Lake. It was probably felt there would be an uproar from fans if the Bucs stocked their defense with two assistants from an 0-16 team instead of the one: LB coach Joe Barry.

If you think the offseason is going to be about who we bring in for free agents, and the draft, think again. Coaches we pick up will be just as important as to how the Bucs far in 2010, when Morris WILL officially be on the hot seat starting with game one.

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sports nation has a ranking of the coaches for the week. Morris is not tha last, but he is at the bottum. I think four coaches were voted worse this weeek. I agree that the coaching pick ups will be important.

by McBuc on Dec 15, 2009 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

I see that list every year, its totally based on wins and losses, even though it doesnt say it.

I remember i 2005 Gruden was 100% till week 5 when he lost.

Viva la Bucco Bruce 1976-1996 (reincarnated 2009)

by Niko Houllis on Dec 15, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Really

I would think we would have been last or second to last then…

by McBuc on Dec 16, 2009 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

This is a little off topic

but I just read on ESPN that Trueblood is leading the NFL in false start penalties with 8 on the year. At least we are winning at something!

"Three or four plane crashes and we're in the playoffs" - John McKay

by LeeCaz on Dec 15, 2009 5:38 PM EST reply actions  

I don't know

Richie Incognito has a head start there from his two last week. But he was cut so Trueblood gets 3 more games to catch up.

Signature space available for rent - Got to pay the bills somehow

by Buc Wild on Dec 16, 2009 8:26 AM EST up reply actions  

You've just got to believe :)

When life gives you lemons, draft Suh.

by aakks on Dec 16, 2009 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

It's sad to say that after a year we are HOPING for a revolving door

I still think ultimately Morris, Dominik or whomever interviewed and hired these guys should be held accountable, but I dont think they (Morris and Dominik) should be fired. I think that the hiring should be done by someone else. A football czar as Bill Parcells is called.

There is no doubt the blame goes all the way around on this group. The coaches didnt have a lot to work with but have done the players and team no favors. Olson continues to beat his head against a brick wall, we have no idea how Logan is doing, Muir (and who ever is selecting the blocking scheme) have done the OL no favors either.

We know the failures from this year, the key is not to make that same mistake going forward.

Signature space available for rent - Got to pay the bills somehow

by Buc Wild on Dec 15, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Bravo!!
The coaches didnt have a lot to work with but have done the players and team no favors.

Could not have said it better myself….

Viva la Bucco Bruce 1976-1996 (reincarnated 2009)

by Niko Houllis on Dec 16, 2009 6:16 AM EST up reply actions  

As i said in the other post

If we’re running Gruden’s playbook, I would rather gladly have chucky back as an OC.

Why do you kill threads????

by Some other guy who does not care on Dec 15, 2009 8:25 PM EST reply actions  

Also

I tried, My hands are wobbly as heck today.

Why do you kill threads????

by Some other guy who does not care on Dec 15, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

IMO, I feel like Raheem Morris is a stopgap until we hire a big name coach

While the Bucs brass was hoping that Morris would be the next Mike Tomlin and that Mark Dominik would be successful, I think everyone knew that the new Coach and GM were in over their heads. If it worked out, then the Glazers would look like geniuses. If not, they would acknowledge their faults and throw money at the biggest names available. Mike Shanahan is a guy that I think would would fit that mold. Obviously Cowher is another, and while I like Holmgren I see his name linked to the Browns. Another coach who gets no pub,but I like is Brian Billick.

Sorry Raheem, the experiment is officially over.

by TheUltimateBucFan on Dec 15, 2009 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

I think were only saying this because there are so many big name coaches out there available.

Usually there are only a few, but we have Holmgren, Cowher, Dungy, Gruden, and then some, not to count the ones who are young enough to get back in the game if they want to.

Thats why every team that is not 8-8 or higher wants to fire their coach.

Do you realize that firing the coach means we go no better than 3-13 again next year?

Id rather stay the path, Morris is not an idiot. He has made some mistakes, but his basic message is a great one, and the players play HARD for him, and still do. You cant ask for much more than that.
Give him time, you cant judge anything based on one year.
If Bill Cowher had been hired, he would have gone 5-11 or 4-12 and everyone would have said he was washed up, we should have gone with someone else, maybe Morris.

Viva la Bucco Bruce 1976-1996 (reincarnated 2009)

by Niko Houllis on Dec 16, 2009 6:21 AM EST up reply actions  

We would have won 5-6 or more this year if we had anybody other than Morris.

He’s made a ton of decisions that has cost us games, lots of games.

by bucnut1 on Dec 16, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Tomlin might be a good coach but it’s not hard to pilot the Pittsburgh Steelers. How would Tomlin do with this team?

by cowatkins78 on Dec 16, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

And people are calling for his head in Pittsburgh

Not even a full season after they won the super bowl. I hate Steelers fans, they are so spoiled its ridiculous. I went to Rudy’s one time to watch a Steelers game on Monday night (Oh my god, where do these people come from?!) and you should have seen them all pouting when they didn’t win. Ridiculous.

"Three or four plane crashes and we're in the playoffs" - John McKay

by LeeCaz on Dec 16, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I think offense needs a total shake up

I’ve been of the opinion that Raheem should get a 2nd year. The offensive staff, however, ought to be totally gutted.

When life gives you lemons, draft Suh.

by aakks on Dec 16, 2009 7:48 AM EST reply actions  

That may happen aakks.

I would be surprised if less than 50% turnover in offensive coaching staff.

Viva la Bucco Bruce 1976-1996 (reincarnated 2009)

by Niko Houllis on Dec 16, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope it does

I know turmoil in the coaching staff is a bad thing, generically. This, however, has been so atrocious it needs a shakeup.

When life gives you lemons, draft Suh.

by aakks on Dec 16, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Morris and Olsen will be her for a while!

But it would seem Morris needs to upgrade other coaching positions or get extra assistants to help in the areas of QB, OL, DL, and WR.

by Greghar on Dec 16, 2009 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

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