Gameday Thread: Tampa Buccaneers vs New York Jets - Week 14 Edition
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Instead of watching two first round rookie quarterbacks duel, we get Kellen Clemens instead. Mr White, please feel free to introduce yourself to him during the game.
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Bad news already
Clayton (meh), Stroughter and Hayes are out today. Cadillac is active.
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Wow, first play pass, BIG SURPRISE
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whats up dudes.....
I always forget these games are on CBS…
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at the game
Bucs need to settle in, run the damned ball.
Cannons... fire them.
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by Craig T on Dec 13, 2009 1:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
not going to happen, If my theory is correct, they are getting Freeman as much throwing experience as possible
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
They also run the risk of killing his confidence and letting him develop bad habits.
You dont let someone fail repeatedly on purpose
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Staring down receivers. He has to get better at that
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Well he seems to be the type to put bad stuff behind him
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They said he was staring down the first pick, but the replay showed him looking at two guys, there were just close
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I was watching last years win over KC...
I didnt know Connor Barth was kicking against us in that game
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Run defense seems to be on point so far
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another stop
did you see what I wrote this morning on the run d? amazing
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Its a fake punt, your not supposed to see it coming in the first qtr
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan is crazy like that, but then again, I guess that supports your point
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Smith was lined up DIRECTLY behind center.
They have to recognize that.
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Talib is a hawk!
Let me pose a question, considering that we are tied with St. Louis, I assume we will have either the first or second pick in the draft. Who should we go for?
Yeah, I have to agree...
If we have the first pick, no question Suh. If we have the second and Suh is gone first, because the Rams have the same problems we do on D, then I say we get Gerhardt.
As much as I would love to have Gerhardt, I think we need D first..Especially DT>
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
I definitely think you are correct
my only feeling on it is that Suh is definitely a first rounder, no other DT’s are showing that kind of promise really. So, use the first pick on a power back that would make a great fullback and use the rest of the picks on D.
Suh, no doubt
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
That is impressive...We have them figured on 3rd so far...I guess we need to assume they are
always going to utilize all 4 o them..
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Dangit. SO hard to stop the QB sneak
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I wish we would mimic their offense. Pound it, go screen or play action.
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The Jets are as desperate for a win as can be. Even though only a game out
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
I'll give up FG's all day.
Assuming our offense can get moving
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Me too, assuming we can start doing SOMETHING on O...
Bend don’t break style..
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone looking for a nice monitor, best buy has a Samsung 24" for 199
going to pick it up after the game… Early Christmas :)
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Feel like an older #5 is r unning the offense, Bruce Gradkowski
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2006 version
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Wow < I dont feel that bad...Moore looks good there
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Matt Moore with the big one to Smith..
Not looking too bad.
It continues to amaze me the attention this POS franchise gets in the media both print and broadcast, as compared to the Rays
who actually have ownership/FO/coaches and players who know what it takes to compete for a championship
Ok, this is a football town first, thats why
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
The Gators will get more attention than the Rays do
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Freeman, stop staring them down please and step into your throws
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He is playing like a rookie, plain and simple.
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Paulescu is a bit better, but not great
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Maybe it is something with NY teams...
We played like this against the Giants too…Only our D was a lot worse then.
Being 1-11 Sucks
I was able to find a stream for Bills-Chiefs much sooner before I was able to find this game
check bucpower.com boards
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Please step into the throw. Enough of this back foot stuff
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lol
RUUD! lol, we give up 2 field goals or a TD but a blocked extra point?
Now 3
You shoud see our O, it is HORRIBLE!
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
yeah our O sucks?
U got a link for me? I ant got a thing
oh and
Garheart = A-Train 2.0!!! He should have won the hiseman!!!
He's not progressing right now. He looks exactly the same as last week
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I assume you mean Freeman
and I agree. I am not giving up on the kid by any means, but he needs to get it together quickly. Although I am thinking games like this are a serious reality check for him. I mean he started out as a savior by winning his first game on a 4th qtr comeback, and then coming back 2 more times after. I think he may have been getting a little too full of himself. Hopefully games like this help him develop.
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I do mean Freeman
And I dont think this means he will never learn, but after a 5 pick week, he is committing the same sins
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They're committed to the run, and it pays off
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Thats what happens when you wear down a defense and continue to pound the ball
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By the way, Jones is helping me in our playoff game right now...
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
He doesnt seem to go full speed.
Punt return you can dance, kick return its full speed ahead
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Yeah he seems to coast too much on the KO returns
Like he is looking for the hole to much. In the words of Madden, he is waiting for something to develope and he is getting developed!
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
The bad part of watching games on-line
I’m about 30 game sec behind so I see the score from my fantasy cast and then I have to wait to actually see my team getting pounded. All well at least it hurts a little less inside when I see it because i’m expecting it…
This is just pitiful
man, its almost painful to watch on both sides of the ball sigh
No first downs in the first half. THis is an offensive problem
Its the Giants game all over again. The common thread is pretty easy to see
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Yes, they are both from NY....
Oh wait you meant Olson was the common LOL
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
Good punt there, just out kicked the coverage...
I would honestly rather see that then a rediculously short punt every time.
Well the O line is playing TERRIBLE today for starters..
and no doubt Freeman has taken a step back.
The D is playing good despite getting NO support from the Offense.
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I really hope so, but history has shown
we don’t adjust well in the 2nd half.
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Id have to pretty much agree with you..
but it cant get worse
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Why are they reviewing this
the ball was all over the ground.
When life gives you lemons, draft Suh.
Well...the D plays better under Morris
That’s a positive.
Truth.
If they don’t get any offensive support they will end up looking bad though
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
There is no question in my mind
That the D has improved significantly since he took over.
When life gives you lemons, draft Suh.
Cant blame the defense for most of this
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Other than the one scoring job
They’ve been pretty decent today. Offense has been just pathetic.
When life gives you lemons, draft Suh.
and that was simply stacking up on the line too tight where if a runner gets through his gap its over...
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Ill have to go back and look at it again, I didnt recall ruud whiffing, but its possible.
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
He over runs the gap and lets Jones cut it up inside
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Guys, Do you see the positive
We have a better chance at drafting SUH, lose already.
Why do you kill threads????
Suh can't help this offense.
If people want Suh, that’s fine, but I’d like to see some life in the offense at the same time
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This...
I am seroiusly hoping that we can finally adjust in the 2nd half.
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly I want us to lose fo draft reasons
but I don’t want us to get embarrassed. It’s important for us to start showing some progress on offense, and we’re showing the opposite.
When life gives you lemons, draft Suh.
Exactly...I always hate to watch us lose though.
But it isn’t as bad if we can at LEAST be competitive.
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
19-0 to an average Jets team with their backup QB in
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Id say they are above average, but even with their defense there is no reason they should be doing this to us...
this is terrible O line play. No holes for backs, and Freeman has taken a step or two backwards
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The defense is playing very good, but whatever...
Im so ready for this year to be over with.. Go Rams tonight over the Titans.
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In this particular game, its probably close
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Ok, So explain a bit-
JF- 3/9 19yds
Ward- 3 car. 4 yds
Caddy- 4 car 3 yds
Why do you kill threads????
What is there to explain? We arent a good offense.
We’re ranked in the high 20’s in every category. We’ve been saying fora while that our offense sucks. Weve been helped by our D and ST when they give us the ball in good position.
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Geez, Clemens is awful and were down 19-0
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Honestly we should be down way ore than that
Jets have had GREAT field position and have been mostly punting or kicking FGs.
When life gives you lemons, draft Suh.
Good field position. This has typically been where the offense gets kicking
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Did they seriously just talk about how maybe they should bench Freeman?
That is rediculous. Granted he is playing like me, but seriously…
They need to do something with him. He has clearly regressed, is staring down WR's and not stepping into throws
It looks like they did ZERO coaching or film study after last week (I know they did, but the results are awful)
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Yes, but do you seriously bench your QB?
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
No, I wasnt saying you do
I think who ever said that is an idiot.
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Ok, it was Rich Gannon FYI...Then Ian agreed.
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Of course what does Ian know he pronounces his
name I-an….My nam is Ian as well, pronounced correctly E-an.
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
That was an awful attempt at blocking Winslow
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who will morris fire this week.
he has to blame someone for his short comings.
FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN FIRST DOWN
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19 yards offense, 1 first down
and we get it because of a penalty. Just fricking pathetic.
When life gives you lemons, draft Suh.
did you expect anything more.
we suck we won one game cause our players were pumped from someone being fired or moved to a lesser role
Almost 2 in a row.....can we do it?
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If you want to win, you go for it.
The way our offense is going, 3 does you nothing
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At least we avoided the goose egg
AND the recovery lol. Nice!
When life gives you lemons, draft Suh.
scrimp sounds good!
I had a frozen pizza
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
On a positive note.... I finally figured out how to sync Gene Deckerhoff to my TV so I can avoid listening to TV commentators until I rewatch the games!
And only took me 13 games to do it!
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Special Teams continue to be the best unit on this team
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They've played the entire game.
Can’t blame them.
our d is not to bad. lol
is that why the jets are moving the ball down the feild pretty much at will.
our d sucks people are you watching the same game i am.
our d is suspect and the offense is non existent
Seriously....
When you consider they have been on the field 85% of the game I think they are doing pretty damn decent.
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
It doesnt help when the offense goes 3 and out on EVERY possession in the first half
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Seriously? You do realize it is the 4th qtr...
Did you watch the first 3? The D is playing well. The O is keeping he D on the field not vice versa..
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
were watching the same game, and the defense is playing fantastic.
Even the 2002 defense gave up SOME plays
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think you are trolling here...
And that my friend is a joke..
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
just calling it how i see it.
and i dont see much good here.
They are PLAYING fantastic when you consider.
this game could be 30-0 or worse.
There are two nice runs that are why the Jets have 290 yards right now
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
This site has more homers than refs doing a Globetrotters game
Wake up—this team shows NOTHING
magicman, im sure there will be plenty of great material for you to read on JoeBucsfan.com
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
They will tell you how bad the team really is and how hopeless it is too.
then you can throw a dart and pick your next team
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
dude sorry to burst your bubble but this year is hopeless
the bucs have been my team since i can remember buddy.
which is half as long as I can remember at best.
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
I dont erase comments, or make up things...
you havnt said anything racist, so yoru fine.
I dont need to agree with you
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
take off then sternfan...
isnt it about time for you guys to be packer fans?
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
so you tell people to take off
when they disagree with you.
No disagreement on Clark
but that throw was nowhere near him
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it was just behind him. AB makes that catch
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
That pick is not on Clark, as bad as he is
That was a bad throw by Freeman.
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No, Im not saying it is, its on Freeman...
But It could have been avoided with some help.
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Our WR corp needs some massive help anyways. Clark has always been awful. We all knew that
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all speculative though..doesnt really matter.
This team was physically beat up today. They did not come prepared to play today
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Pregame Gannon was saying that
on Friday he was NOT impressed by he practice by the Bucs…Said it was horrible.
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
6/19 for 33 yards. 0 TD and 2 INT. This offense is bad. Thats the same line (approx) that JJ and Lefty put up.
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I've already disqualified you from playing and winning
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hey stern if you don't like it leave...
SO what if we have homers? we knew we were going to be bad we’ll just have to wait til next year with Free taking all the snaps and coach O installing the whole offense with the offseason and camp to practice
next year dont look promising
if its anything like this year.
Yea, its a close one too.
6 point difference with each of us having two guys left.
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Yes, this one will come down to the end.
Good game for us so far.
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Well, Im happy about that overthrow, dont want Stevens to catch a TD
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Well, I dont know but it seems to me these guys have played some close games lately (on offense) and may have felt all they need to do is show up
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magicman, that was brilliant..
next year wont look promising if it looks like this year.
Thank You for that. Ill take it one further. 2028 wont be promising if it looks like 2009.
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JoeBucsfan.com headlines tomorrow..
Glazers are cheap….Morris in over his head, poor coaching costs bucs victory over Jets, Dominik fails as GM by giving Clayton a contract….
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Some of those are true (Im looking at you Clayton)
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I dont think, I know.
Morris will be the HC here next year, and Freeman will be the starter here at least 2 more years unless he totally fails
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
One way or another (good or bad) they are...At least the short term future.
So technically that is correct.
by RuudAwakening on Dec 13, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
i like freeman too. he is just going to need some coaching
we dont have good coaching right now
I agree on that
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
I would never say he is a finished product..
Ive only said for a rookie, here in Tampa, no one has looked better or as good
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
You'd think we all lived in Dallas for as much as they're on TV.
I really wish FIOS could the NFL Sunday Ticket. I get home from the mess of today at RayJay to have to watch SD/DAL and StL/TN. What fun!!!
Morris would have no business coaching him anyways..
as for Olsen, I dont know the real story behind him.
Play calling was NOT the problem today
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so your going to tell me right here right now you dont see the improvement in the defense since he took over?
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
i dont see it. it has to show up in wins guys.
not even close to the d of years passed.i dont expect it to be either.
If you make 10, 6, and 3 points
in a game- then how exactly are you supposed to win?
Why do you kill threads????
your not going to.
when you cant score or hold them under 20 either.
Correction
16 points- Carolina, 24 points- Atlanta (LUCKY LAST SECOND TD), 26 points (JETS)- 3 points of offense to support the D if D is on the field 95% of the time.
Why do you kill threads????
We dont have the talent of years past
Nobody is suggesting otherwise. We need to draft some good players. Still, there’s been a HUGE improvement since Morris took over the D.
When life gives you lemons, draft Suh.
imo our offense is the best bunch of talent we,ve had in some years
not wide outs but some good players on o this year.
thank you
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
no one said "dont you see were now like we were years ago?"
But yes, it is way improved. Check the numbers.
are there more wins? No
You didnt say anything about wins, You said about Morris coaching the d.
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
it was a classic.
In Orange no less
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
I would rather watch Clayton get paid good to drop balls, at least he has a website dedicated to it.
bucs lost 16 of last 17 wow
i dont see another year making it all better either.
you too man...
I may disagree with 90% of what you say, but I can respect your opinion.
I think the team that takes the field next season is going to have 6 or 8 new starters on it.
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by Niko Houllis on Dec 13, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
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