Did Referees blow the call? See for yourself... in SLOW Slow Motion
by Niko Houllis on Nov 16, 2009 6:07 AM EST
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We slowMo-ed the slo Mo! Not that it matters what speed you play the tape, the ball was caught by Michael Clayton as came down to the ground, and in fact the ball did not come loose until it was stripped out after he rolled on the ground.
Take a look for yourself Buc'em readers, and tell us what you think.
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his elbow was down first , then his knee . then the ref throws a personal foul on our coach? when was the last time you’ve seen a coach get a personal foul? ive seen coaches in the refs face before and not get in trouble . home town refs !!!
Unsportsmanlike on the coaches / sidelines
isn’t unheard of. Happens fairly often.
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I think it's a lousy rule, and as much as I hate it, the way Corrente explained it is inline with the rule book
It’s been called that way all year (see Oakland Week 1 I believe). PFT has been harping on it all year. I completely disagree with the rule book on this one, but the officials don’t interpret the rules, they have to abide by them and this is something Mike Perreira (sp?) and crew have talked about.
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I think it stems from establishing possession.
If you catch a pass on the run you have to take a step and make a “football move”. If you go straight to the ground, you cant establish possession by making a move. The only thing I can relate it to is a sideline catch where the WR stretches out with his toes dragging on the ground. He has to catch it, go to the ground without the ball moving for it to be a catch. Corrente said on Clayton’s catch that
As he went to the ground, basically right when he went to the ground, the ball popped out, and went right into the arms of the Miami player.Again, I think the rule is pretty crappy and leaves a lot of room for error, but it is what it is. It’s just a shame that A) it gave Miami good field position, B) it might have been the difference in the game. If that ball just falls straight to the ground, none of this happens. A freak play.
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I get the rule but the ball doesn't come out
until he is being spun around. Again, I ask “How long do you have to hold on to the ball?”
Your right, it leaves a lot of room for error.
However, I do give credit to Jason Taylor for making a heads up play.
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I'll be interested to see what Perriera says on Tuesday (when he usually discusses the previous week)
It leaves the door open for a lot to be interpreted. The only thing I can point to is that its been called this way all year, for better or worse. I dont like it, but I feel better about this than if we were the only team to see this call.
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Again, my biggest problem with the perception of the play is this...
PFT
The ball popped out just after his torso struck the ground
Ref
As he went to the ground, basically right when he went to the ground, the ball popped out, and went right into the arms of the Miami player.
Thats just simply not what happened. He was twisted over before the ball came out. It was a FULL second at least.
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ya they blew the call
review it again, both feet down,full control of the ball. thats a compleat catch,he’s tackled right away,so ther’s no two step rule. the runnrer is down by contact,end of story. nfl blows it again, and no there is no fumble rule, because there was no fumble. down by contact.
By rule, he does have to mantain possesion through coming in conctact with the ground
(because he did not make two football moves). However, it is my assertion that he did maintain poss.
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Blown call
In other news: Gruden signs multi year deal with MNF. Per ESPN.com
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by chiefs_55 on Nov 16, 2009 12:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If you get hit you have to maintain possession through the ground. The ball was coming loose when his back hit and was completely out when he was done moving. If that wasn’t a strip then it was an incomplete pass.Either way that call wasn’t going to benefit the Bucs. The coach was also in the field cursing out the officail repeatedly so the unsportsman like call was right on the money. He never got a second foot down until he was almost completely on the ground. There was a dolphin under his left leg the whole time he was going to the ground. Maybe you should cry that your receiver didn’t hold on to the ball until a whistle was blown after all he is paid millions to catch and maintain possession of the football. Go Phins’ best team in Florida even when they suck
The correct call was made on the call, but you are incorrect on your analysis
First – the penalty on Raheem. We can’t say it was justified or not without knowing what he said. I say a few F bombs dropped, but he is the first nor the last coach to do so. I didn’t like the call, nor the penalty on Morris, but he was fighting for his time. Ill-timed penalty, but you cant fault him.
The rule does not state if you get hit you have to maintain possession. Any catch where you go to the ground you have to maintain complete control through the act of going to the ground. The ball did not move until AFTER he hit the ground. Did he hold the ball long enough for it to be declared a catch? obviously not according to Corrente.
I dont think any one of us would have complained with incomplete pass. I certainly would prefer a completed pass, but that wasn’t an option. He didn’t have to get a second foot down. A knee, elbow, back, butt, head all equal a foot. The issue is showing possession. On the run it’s two steps and a football move, going to the ground it’s possession through the entire act of catching. No different than a WR in the endzone or tip toeing the sideline.
Hats off to the Dolphins for winning, but the best team in Fla right now are the Jags at 5-4 if we’re going by records and not complete homerism.
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I heard somewhere
that the NFL is proposing that all receivers must maintain possession of the ball until the referree comes to physically remove it from their possession.
I’m kidding, but how far are we away from this? The calls regarding possession and catches this year have been ridiculous. It has to be a misinterpretation of the rules. Surely, they didn’t intend for these kind of things to happen. What a joke.
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The only consoling factor is that it's been called this way all year
Doesnt mean I agree with it, but they have been pretty consistent. Doesn’t take the sting out of the loss though.
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Very true
but just because we can cite a couple of instances where a similar call has been made, doesn’t mean it has been called that way all year. I’m sure there a dozens of non-calls that went the other way that we simply don’t hear about because everyone assumes they were correct (and rightfully so IMO).
I’m just glad I’m not a Patriots fan because they got hosed on that call on 4th down, even though it was a dumb decision to go for it. The spot was way off even if he was still juggling the ball.
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Clayton had
two feet, butt, back, back of head, both knees, shoulders, and front of head down before the ball came out. Completely blown call.
This is why it WAS an interception
You see the back angle but here’s the front
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=066e3zOayuY#movie_player
@1:30 on that clip. One foot still in the air. Contact made.
@1:34 Has one arm on the ball. The other is on the ground. Ball comes out and up.
@1:36 JT getting the ball off back of a Miami Jersey.
Interception.
Since contact is made in the air “he has to maintain possession of the ball completely through the entire process of hitting the ground and thereafter”
I was unsatisfied
with the ref’s explanation in the one-on-one after the game. He equated the situation to a deflected pass b/c the receiver was hit while in the process of catching the ball. He was “hit” in one leg and the hit took place nowhere near the ball. It wasn’t until after the second defender hit him while the ball was in M.C.‘s arm and, not in the air, that the ball came out. It sounded to me he was grasping at straws for an explanation to a clearly poor call.
I’ll be interested to see what Perriera says on Tuesday (when he usually discusses the previous week)
I too am anticipating this.
Drinking and watching football since I still had short-term memory.
I have watched this video about 15 times since it was posted...
I am still mad about the call. Just wanted everyone to know, I am still dwellilng on this LOL…
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